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^^ Same here.
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No. And even if I were the upgrade would cost me nearly $600 is shipping in addition to the difference in price.

Sealed mode is working nicely. The opening scene from EoT was MUCH better in sealed mode. The tactile feel was better so in my smallish room it probably digs a little deeper than it does in 16hz tune, plus the sound was much, much cleaner. Not as loud but much less "noise".

The rest of the movie was similar, not as loud but it seemed cleaner and I had plenty of tactile feel. I always did like it better in sealed mode for music but when it was just the PC by itself it didn't have enough output (for me) without cranking the gain way up which caused other issues.

So with the SC added I get the low end from the SVS and the output I want above 20hz.

At this point the only thing I can do to make it better without going broke is to get another PC Plus or Ultra.
$600 in shipping PLUS the price upgrade! Yikes!

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$600 in shipping PLUS the price upgrade! Yikes!
That is Hawaii shipping it is like inernational, shipping back Cylinder sub to SVS in US is not expensive around $60 what SCS guys told me fhey going to charge if I decide to upgrade after 45 days.

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That is Hawaii shipping it is like inernational, shipping back Cylinder sub to SVS in US is not expensive around $60 what SCS guys told me fhey going to charge if I decide to upgrade after 45 days.
Yep, it's the price of paradise I guess. It would be $250+ to get it back and around $300 to get the Ultra here. Speculating on the shipping for the Ultra based on what it cost to get the Plus here.

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Has anyone received the email for the new PC-2000 Subwoofer?

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http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cy...34459-31887661

Yes, I added the info to the PB/SB-2000 thread.


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New SVS PB2000 and SB2000 subs!!!!!!

And Here

New SVS PB2000 and SB2000 subs!!!!!!


The Piano Black top looks really nice!!!

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Yep, it's the price of paradise I guess. It would be $250+ to get it back and around $300 to get the Ultra here. Speculating on the shipping for the Ultra based on what it cost to get the Plus here.
You are right, you pay for paradise no matter what, if you feel like you are missing some bass get second one it will fill all your needs!!!

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I'm starting to lean towards dual Pluses myself. Not much more $ than dual 2000s and more output than single Ultra and the even response from dual subs. Starting to make the most sense. Now just the wait to save up the $$$!
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I'm starting to lean towards dual Pluses myself. Not much more $ than dual 2000s and more output than single Ultra and the even response from dual subs. Starting to make the most sense. Now just the wait to save up the $$$!
Well a 2000 is $800 and a Plus is $1400 so "not much more $" is relative I guess. Of course you may be talking about cylinders in which case the $1200 price point on the Plus is a bit more reasonable and indeed closer to a 2000-series. It's still 50% more money so sticking with the 2000 would still make sense if sticking to a budget carries some weight.

That being said, can't blame you for looking at dual Pluses. I made the same calculations in the past and ended up with two Plus myself I just spent more than double what I was planning on but so is life in the HT world.

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Yeah I was comparing the Gloss Black PC-2000 ($849) to an Outlet PC12-Plus ($1049) so only a $200 difference. I realize that isn't the fairest comparison. Just that if I were going to get the PC-2000 it would be the more expensive gloss and to save $ on the Plus I would get it from the outlet.
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Yeah I was comparing the Gloss Black PC-2000 ($849) to an Outlet PC12-Plus ($1049) so only a $200 difference. I realize that isn't the fairest comparison. Just that if I were going to get the PC-2000 it would be the more expensive gloss and to save $ on the Plus I would get it from the outlet.
I have to admit 849 vs 1049 -- less than a 25% difference in price -- looks really tempting, and while I think you'd get a subs worth your money either way, the bang-for-bucks value is pretty good on a Plus at that price. You sure get a lots of perks (more output, variable tuning, nice digital interface on amp, balanced connector, etc.) for not much more.
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Yep. Bang for buck is the main reason I am going for the Plus vs the 2000 or Ultra. Can't wait until I can get them!
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Yep. Bang for buck is the main reason I am going for the Plus vs the 2000 or Ultra. Can't wait until I can get them!
Great choice, you will love them, like neutro said all those extra features it was also reason why i jump on those. I'm very happy with dual Pluses it is why when I have a chance to recommend them I will do it. I bought them from outlet + I had issues before with 2 subs delivered damaged so price for me was $949 each and I think it is a steel for pair Pluses, btw on the end one is from outlet second was brand new one.

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What is the difference in ported vs sealed? I've narrowed my choices down to these 2 and the Goldenear. Anyone known which one is better?
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What is the difference in ported vs sealed? I've narrowed my choices down to these 2 and the Goldenear. Anyone known which one is better?
Real generally, Sealed has a slower rolloff in the deep low frequencies but less output power in this region. Ported has a steep roll off after the tuning frequency and has more output in this region.

In general, in small rooms (sealed) sealed subs work well. The room adds gain which tends to complement the slow roll off and because the room is small you can get all the output you need down to very low frequencies.

For larger rooms they almost always need ported subs for more max output. You may not get the extremely deep frequency extension of sealed subs in small rooms but you get output in spades.

Ported subs have larger box volume which makes them overall bigger. This reduces the WAF. Sealed subs can be made in small enclosures which can more easily be hidden if cosmetics is a big concern.
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Real generally, Sealed has a slower rolloff in the deep low frequencies but less output power in this region. Ported has a steep roll off after the tuning frequency and has more output in this region.

In general, in small rooms (sealed) sealed subs work well. The room adds gain which tends to complement the slow roll off and because the room is small you can get all the output you need down to very low frequencies.

For larger rooms they almost always need ported subs for more max output. You may not get the extremely deep frequency extension of sealed subs in small rooms but you get output in spades.

Ported subs have larger box volume which makes them overall bigger. This reduces the WAF. Sealed subs can be made in small enclosures which can more easily be hidden if cosmetics is a big concern.
I agree. My SB12 NSD seems to do better than my now sold PB12 NSD did in my smaller sealed bedroom. I just gotta wonder how a SB Ultra would do in my 13 x14 sealed bedroom.
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I agree. My SB12 NSD seems to do better than my now sold PB12 NSD did in my smaller sealed bedroom. I just gotta wonder how a SB Ultra would do in my 13 x14 sealed bedroom.
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Is SB-2000 much better than SB-12 NSD? Or these two models are close? Now in europe SB-2000 is about $956 and SB-12 ~ $637. Curious how justified the price difference..
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SB Ultra in your room
In 1981 or so, I bought a framed poster of Steve Steigman's "Blown Away" photo... and since then, it's been on a wall above my audio equipment in every living-room I've had.

Your "re-make" of the photo is hysterical.

Of course, choosing to put an SB13 Ultra in a room that small is the guy's own fault... so he got what he deserved.

Kinda feel sorry for his cat, though.
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Is SB-2000 much better than SB-12 NSD? Or these two models are close? Now in europe SB-2000 is about $956 and SB-12 ~ $637. Curious how justified the price difference..
They are close...get 2 of the SB-12's
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They are close...get 2 of the SB-12's
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They are close...get 2 of the SB-12's
I will buy just one sub . Which of these two should I choose? ($956\$637)?
Also, forgetting about the price, is SB-2000 REALLY better than SB-12NSD or not?
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Since the SB-2000 replaced the SB12-NSD I find it Natural to assume it is better. The SB-2000 has the New 500w amp vs the 400w amp on the NSD.
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I will buy just one sub . Which of these two should I choose? ($956\$637)?
Also, forgetting about the price, is SB-2000 REALLY better than SB-12NSD or not?
It is better.
Is it $319 better? I dont think so. But if you can easily afford it get the SB2000.
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So yesterday I got the time ti change my new RF-7 II driver the one with the dent on it yeah lol.Anyway's.I took out the ld driver and replaced it with the new RF-7 II Driver.It went fantastic.I have to say klipsch really know's how to make a well build tower speaker.And for that i thank themIt was really simple to just unscrew the screw's that needed to be taked out with a T20 star screw driver.And all i had to do was take the black and red lead's out and plu then back in to the new RF-7 II driver.I took some pic's to show you all what the tower looks like and how big and really mazzive the driver is in my hand.here are the pic.Anyway's hope you all enjoy what you see.[IMG][/IMG]
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Is SB-2000 much better than SB-12 NSD? Or these two models are close? Now in europe SB-2000 is about $956 and SB-12 ~ $637. Curious how justified the price difference..
The main differences are:

* finish: the SB-2000 is either black ash patterned vinyl, or glossy piano black (a more expensive option though), whereas the SB12-NSD is either charcoal black vinyl or glossy piano black (again, more expensive).

* output: the SB-2000 has a beefier amp that adds 3-4 dB to the output above 30 Hz. Below 30 Hz the two subs are basically identical.

Depending on how much you value the various finish options and the mid-bass output, it could be worth $300 more but I for one think the SB12-NSD is a pretty nice sub if the alternative is 50% more expensive.

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Agreed! I watched finding Nemo with my kids the other night. The scene in the fish tank, where the girl taps the glass. It scared me for a second. I did not know that scene had that much LFE. And a BIG wow to how the PB2000 shocked me with that sudden bass. Amazing sub. My wife hates it. That is another indicator of a good sub. That could be SVS' s new motto; pissing of wives.
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I just finished watching it too. I've been thinking about adding a sub-floor Buttkicker LFE but after watching that I'm not sure I really more LF rumble in my setup. My recliner felt like a massage chair through some of that. I'm really impressed with this PB-2000.
Just scanning this thread for the first time in awhile. It's kinda neat to read other people discovering real subwoofers. Nemo glass scene was one of our testing discs back when I got my sub, too. Everything you 2 guys said I have said, almost verbatim. (a little creepy, actually )

Honestly, you other guys worrying about precisely which SV sub to get are all going to be fine. The difference between no sub or cheap subs and ANY quality sub is the most dramatic leap. That last little bit of sub-sonic bass and whatnot...well, that's not really much of an issue. I know people here make it sound drastic, life or death differences between a Plus and Ultra...not really. My friend with a PC Ultra tuned low got sick when listening to EoT. That's neat that the equipment can do it, but is it really the result you want when you pop in a movie? I'll have to get that movie and see what my PB2-Plus can do. I found I preferred it tuned to 20Hz, 18Hz in particular rattles parts of my house that DON'T sound good. Tuning and calibration to as flat a response as possible are most important. SVS is insane, I upgraded my drivers in my sub years back, the volume went up 6db with no other changes! But I basically had to tune that back out to match up with the other 7 speakers. You'll all be happy.

And to Kini62, are you sure your sub is placed well? If it is in a null, that can greatly increase the power needed unnecessarily.
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SVS PC12-NSD Calibration Questions

I just purchased an SVS PC12-NSDsubwoofer. This is replacing a Polk PSW505. I noticed a few thingsAudessey related I was wondering if anybody had any advice.

  1. After running Audessey I noticed the SVS sub distance was set at 19ft. My old sub calibrated at 7ft (I would say around 7ft is the actual distance.) Is this an issue or is it related to some additional processing the SVS is doing?
  2. In the past I have liked the sub a little hotter than the default Audessey calibration. I have always had Dynamic EQ on, but I use a RLO of 15 to avoid any surround or sub channel over boosting. My old Polk worked well at +6db above calibration by using the setting in my Denon receiver. I have found I like the SVS around +9db above the calibration. I was wondering if anyone else likes running there SVS sub this hot? I do not listen at reference level, but I do like it somewhat loud on occasion. Should I worry about running the sub this hot? I am wondering if my preference to run the SVS louder than the Polk comes from the SVS flatter response.

Thanks for your help.


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I just purchased an SVS PC12-NSDsubwoofer. This is replacing a Polk PSW505. I noticed a few thingsAudessey related I was wondering if anybody had any advice.

  1. After running Audessey I noticed the SVS sub distance was set at 19ft. My old sub calibrated at 7ft (I would say around 7ft is the actual distance.) Is this an issue or is it related to some additional processing the SVS is doing?
  2. In the past I have liked the sub a little hotter than the default Audessey calibration. I have always had Dynamic EQ on, but I use a RLO of 15 to avoid any surround or sub channel over boosting. My old Polk worked well at +6db above calibration by using the setting in my Denon receiver. I have found I like the SVS around +9db above the calibration. I was wondering if anyone else likes running there SVS sub this hot? I do not listen at reference level, but I do like it somewhat loud on occasion. Should I worry about running the sub this hot? I am wondering if my preference to run the SVS louder than the Polk comes from the SVS flatter response.

Thanks for your help.


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1. Leave it, it can be used to adjust phase via distance setting.

2. I do not go that high but whatever you like is fine by you . You won't hard the subwoofer, you just may reach its limits more often. I can think of a couple reasons why you like to boost the SVS hotter
- The SVS does not have a peaked response and therefore you can tolerate more boost before the midbass dominates
- You may be hearing deep bass for the first time and wanting more of a good thing

Anyway, you might want to try it on something a bit less starting out and then continue to raise if it still doesn't meet your preferences after a couple days.
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So yesterday I got the time ti change my new RF-7 II driver the one with the dent on it yeah lol.Anyway's.I took out the ld driver and replaced it with the new RF-7 II Driver.It went fantastic.I have to say klipsch really know's how to make a well build tower speaker.And for that i thank themIt was really simple to just unscrew the screw's that needed to be taked out with a T20 star screw driver.And all i had to do was take the black and red lead's out and plu then back in to the new RF-7 II driver.I took some pic's to show you all what the tower looks like and how big and really mazzive the driver is in my hand.here are the pic.Anyway's hope you all enjoy what you see.[IMG][/IMG]
Hey man, good to see you with new driver installed. This baby is big, nice picture, why did you posted here, needs to be on Klipsch one!!! It is a first time I saw RF-7II's drive out, thanks for posting. So all is working jus fine now again?

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