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The overall system design is never empirically driven by a singular focus on any variable (like the system tuning frequency). The sound quality objectives and measured performance goals drive the overall design. The slight difference in system tuning frequency between the PB-2000/PC-2000 wasn't a specific design objective - so it's more of academic interest than anything else. The two subs are essentially sonic clones only differing in form factor. The PC form factor offers PB performance in a much smaller footprint which can fit into tight spaces the PB can't - that's what makes the PC so popular with our customers who have floor space challenges.
I used to have two PC12-NSDs, one on each side of the TV, and calibrating them was a breeze. They played flat Down to 15hz. Now I have two PB12-NSD DSPs and I struggle. I ended up stacking them on one side of the TV and 18hz is the lowest I can get. I'll be selling those to get PC-2000. Hopefully They will perform at least as good as the PC12-NSDs.
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I used to have two PC12-NSDs, one on each side of the TV, and calibrating them was a breeze. They played flat Down to 15hz. Now I have two PB12-NSD DSPs and I struggle. I ended up stacking them on one side of the TV and 18hz is the lowest I can get. I'll be selling those to get PC-2000. Hopefully They will perform at least as good as the PC12-NSDs.
Whereas the amps and drivers are the same in the cylinder and box subs, one thing we got to realize is that the drivers and ports are not located in the same position in the room. Many remarked that shifting a sub a few inches can change the frequency response a lot. For example, some people noticed that turning the enclosure 180 deg so that a driver fires into a corner id much more efficient at corner loading the sub than just backing the sub into the corner. So I'd say any difference between the PC12-NSD and PB12-NSD was likely due to the position of the drivers and ports. Which might be of importance to you since the PC-2000 is back-ported instead of top-ported like the PC12-NSD.
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Whereas the amps and drivers are the same in the cylinder and box subs, one thing we got to realize is that the drivers and ports are not located in the same position in the room. Many remarked that shifting a sub a few inches can change the frequency response a lot. For example, some people noticed that turning the enclosure 180 deg so that a driver fires into a corner id much more efficient at corner loading the sub than just backing the sub into the corner. So I'd say any difference between the PC12-NSD and PB12-NSD was likely due to the position of the drivers and ports. Which might be of importance to you since the PC-2000 is back-ported instead of top-ported like the PC12-NSD.
I'm guessing that the shortness of my room might be the reason why the PBs Works less than the PCs. I tried one in front and one in back 90 degrees compared to the front sub and that Works fairly well. The stack Works but not as good as the PCs. A guy is picking up the PBs on sunday and I'll be ordering a PC-2000 as soon as it's available and a 2nd come spring. In the meanwhile I'll be using a really old Dali SWA15.

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Congrats on the ultra, I was not aware you had taken the plunge. I knew you had started with the SB2000, then jumped to the PB2000 when you realized the massive output advantage you get around port tune for movies. I thought you had stopped at the PC12 Plus or something. Glad you are happy with the sub, course, who wouldn't be? Good luck with the REW session. Where will you place the 2nd one?
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On its side, behind the sofa ... in what would turn out to be my bachelor pad :-)

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Received my Ultra bookshelves today. They were Outlet specials, so I don't know how much breaking in they'll need, but very impressed so far. Much better sound than the DefTech Studio 55s I recently auditioned.

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I purchased the PB-2000, this morning. I will be getting it Tuesday or Wednesday. I can not wait to play with this sub. I thank the two gentlemen who helped me out, thank you very much. I love this site, it feeds my addiction to spend money on my home theater.
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I purchased the PB-2000, this morning. I will be getting it Tuesday or Wednesday. I can not wait to play with this sub. I thank the two gentlemen who helped me out, thank you very much. I love this site, it feeds my addiction to spend money on my home theater.
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Received my Ultra bookshelves today. They were Outlet specials, so I don't know how much breaking in they'll need, but very impressed so far. Much better sound than the DefTech Studio 55s I recently auditioned.
congrats to your new speakers!!! I'm always wondering how good SVS speakers are, no question about subs. So do you have all SVS speakers or you just add those to your system?

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congrats to your new speakers!!! I'm always wondering how good SVS speakers are, no question about subs. So do you have all SVS speakers or you just add those to your system?
I just added these two Ultras. I recently sold my Infinity Primus 5.0 setup and am looking for upgrades.

Deciding on mains before adding the new center and surrounds.

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congrats to your new speakers!!! I'm always wondering how good SVS speakers are, no question about subs. So do you have all SVS speakers or you just add those to your system?
I just added these two Ultras. I recently sold my Infinity Primus 5.0 setup and am looking for upgrades.

Deciding on mains before adding the new center and surrounds.

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Hi folks,

Joined the SVS Club!

I have recently purchased SVS Ultra Tower x 2, Ultra Surrounds x 2, Ultra Center x 1 and PB-2000 Sub x 1.

Question - Can someone please provide me with make and model of a stand suitable for the Center speaker?
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Joined the SVS Club!

I have recently purchased SVS Ultra Tower x 2, Ultra Surrounds x 2, Ultra Center x 1 and PB-2000 Sub x 1.

Question - Can someone please provide me with make and model of a stand suitable for the Center speaker?
SVS sells this one: http://www.svsound.com/speakers/spea...a-center-stand

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SVS sells this one: http://www.svsound.com/speakers/spea...a-center-stand

Congrats on your excellent purchase!
Thanks. I live in NZ and the official SVS distributor does not sells the stand for Center speaker here and no other HiFi or electronics retail store sells the above model or any center speaker stand tbh that is not below $500.

Looks like I will have to buy from US and air freighted via a mail forwarder.

Question - Is the mounting on center speaker stands an industry standard? Can I buy just about any center speaker stand from any manufacturer and expect the ultra center to mount without any issues?

Thanks

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I have a 12x12x8 room, which should I get the PB2000 or the PB1000? I only want 1 SUB.

I currently have 2x Polk Audio PSW110's.
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I have a 12x12x8 room, which should I get the PB2000 or the PB1000? I only want 1 SUB.

I currently have 2x Polk Audio PSW110's.
Get the PB2000 and leave the what ifs at the front door. In that size room your in for a real treat.
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Does the PC-2000 still fire downward? Does it just suck in the air and funnel it upward and then back down?

Since I missed the PC12 on sale, I might wait til some day they add an option to have the same fabric of the PC12.

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What is the audible difference between old and New PC13 Ultra?

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Does the PC-2000 still fire downward? Does it just suck in the air and funnel it upward and then back down?

Since I missed the PC12 on sale, I might wait til some day they add an option to have the same fabric of the PC12.
That can be a long wait, Ed said they don't plan to do it anytime soon.

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Of course it does...

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It's a sub, not a vacuum cleaner
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IDK if anyone seen klipsch new subwoofer's .for the Reference line they have for klipsch.But i must say there subwoofer's are wonderful too.Maybe not as powerful as svs But they still punch in one hell of a punch.I use to own a klipsch subwoofer.I had the klipsch SW-112.it was a 300 RMS subwoofer.And boy did that one rock my home.It's MSRP price tag was 599.99.But i got a deal back in the day when i bought it.But yeah i dont own that sub no more.I wish I did still have it just so i had some fourme of a bass for my setup.I sold it to a cousin that now enjoy's it alot.I was at my cousins house a month ago.And he has a polk sub hooked to his setup too.The polk is just ok.it's like 50 wats rms.Not much all in all the sw-112 is cool.The newer klipsch subs look nice.Here is a pic of what they look like www.klipsch.com/reference-subwoofers

Klipsch calls this line of subwoofer's the REFERENCE LINE.That being said they come in a 15,12,and 10 inch size.The 15 inch sub from klipsch has a 400,RMS wattage.As far as what kind of amp these drivers use I think there still BASH amps.Not too sure.The website say's it's a ALL DIGITAL amp.So idk if there just trying to give the amp a different twist of a name and there really bash amp's.Or just a amp that klipsch made from the ground up.I would like to see if the 15 inch klipsch sub would be able to handly the power's of say maybe a PB-12 Plus or maybe just maybe a pb-13 ultra.Klipsch say's there 15 inch subwoofer can go down to 18 dbs all the way to 125dbs.By the way if you have not already guess yes these are just ported sub's.That klipsch make.
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IDK if anyone seen klipsch new subwoofer's .for the Reference line they have for klipsch.But i must say there subwoofer's are wonderful too.Maybe not as powerful as svs But they still punch in one hell of a punch.I use to own a klipsch subwoofer.I had the klipsch SW-112.it was a 300 RMS subwoofer.And boy did that one rock my home.It's MSRP price tag was 599.99.But i got a deal back in the day when i bought it.But yeah i dont own that sub no more.I wish I did still have it just so i had some fourme of a bass for my setup.I sold it to a cousin that now enjoy's it alot.I was at my cousins house a month ago.And he has a polk sub hooked to his setup too.The polk is just ok.it's like 50 wats rms.Not much all in all the sw-112 is cool.The newer klipsch subs look nice.Here is a pic of what they look like www.klipsch.com/reference-subwoofers

Klipsch calls this line of subwoofer's the REFERENCE LINE.That being said they come in a 15,12,and 10 inch size.The 15 inch sub from klipsch has a 400,RMS wattage.As far as what kind of amp these drivers use I think there still BASH amps.Not too sure.The website say's it's a ALL DIGITAL amp.So idk if there just trying to give the amp a different twist of a name and there really bash amp's.Or just a amp that klipsch made from the ground up.I would like to see if the 15 inch klipsch sub would be able to handly the power's of say maybe a PB-12 Plus or maybe just maybe a pb-13 ultra.Klipsch say's there 15 inch subwoofer can go down to 18 dbs all the way to 125dbs.By the way if you have not already guess yes these are just ported sub's.That klipsch make.
Klipsch subs are pretty to look at but they aren't even in the same league as SVS.
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Unhappy Dual subwoofers (PB-1000 + PB-2000)

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I have some inquiries for you guys...

At first I purchased a PB-1000, and a year later a PB-2000. I though I would sell the PB-1000 and only keep the PB-2000, but I liked the way how they performed together. In the last few days I decided to make some tests and switched the PB-1000 off. To my surprise, the PB-2000 was barely audible when playing music (Reflektor album - very nice audio quality and bass) ... although the volume knob is almost at 3 o'clock. When I switch back the PB-1000, it now rocks the place!

Each subs are placed each side of my media stand, so they are not corner loaded. I tried to switch them of place but it doesn't change a thing. I also redid the Audyssey calibration. The PB-1000 always play louder, and is only at 1 o'clock Subwoofer volume on the Denon is -5,5.

Same things occurs when playing movies (well, it's less pronounced) ... The PB-2000 dig lower but seems to have less impact. I have attached some pictures of my actual subwoofers settings.

What do you guys think about this ? At first, I was surprised of my new PB-2000, but not anymore

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Hello,

I have some inquiries for you guys...

At first I purchased a PB-1000, and a year later a PB-2000. I though I would sell the PB-1000 and only keep the PB-2000, but I liked the way how they performed together. In the last few days I decided to make some tests and switched the PB-1000 off. To my surprise, the PB-2000 was barely audible when playing music (Reflektor album - very nice audio quality and bass) ... although the volume knob is almost at 3 o'clock. When I switch back the PB-1000, it now rocks the place!

Each subs are placed each side of my media stand, so they are not corner loaded. I tried to switch them of place but it doesn't change a thing. I also redid the Audyssey calibration. The PB-1000 always play louder, and is only at 1 o'clock Subwoofer volume on the Denon is -5,5.

Same things occurs when playing movies (well, it's less pronounced) ... The PB-2000 dig lower but seems to have less impact. I have attached some pictures of my actual subwoofers settings.

What do you guys think about this ? At first, I was surprised of my new PB-2000, but not anymore

Fred
What position the dial is in on the sub is very close to completely meaningless. You need to level match the subs...the gain dial again is completely meaningless as far as whether one is at 10 or 2 or 3 etc. Use REW or an SPL meter to set each sub to about 73 dB at the MLP playing subwoofer pink noise, one at a time. Then, turn them both on and run room correction. This will have the subs level matched, playing at the same loudness.

Also, once you have each set to 73 dB, play one sub at the 73 dB level with pink noise. Then, switch the other sub on. SPL should go up 3-6 dB. If it does not, the subs may be out of phase. If this happens, reverse the phase on one of the subs and see if you get the SPL increase.
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Don't worry about the actual position of the gain knobs, rather set the SPL levels of the two subs to the same level using a SPL meter. Then run Audyssey and adjust sw level accordingly at your AVR.

I'm running my old Paradigm PDR-10 100w sub along with my PB-2000. The gain knob on the Paradigm is ~ 11AM and the SVS at 2PM and they're level matched. Comparing the position of the knobs is an apples to oranges comparison.
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Then I will wait a long time. If I can't have a 2nd NSD then I will wait however long I have to, or keep my current setup.

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Klipsch subs are pretty to look at but they aren't even in the same league as SVS.
Yeah i was told the same thing by ed mullen.A few month's back.I do agree they look pretty.and while they can still get the job done and give you a nice enjoyment .I still want a pb-13 ultra lmao.
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What position the dial is in on the sub is very close to completely meaningless. You need to level match the subs...the gain dial again is completely meaningless as far as whether one is at 10 or 2 or 3 etc. Use REW or an SPL meter to set each sub to about 73 dB at the MLP playing subwoofer pink noise, one at a time. Then, turn them both on and run room correction. This will have the subs level matched, playing at the same loudness.

Also, once you have each set to 73 dB, play one sub at the 73 dB level with pink noise. Then, switch the other sub on. SPL should go up 3-6 dB. If it does not, the subs may be out of phase. If this happens, reverse the phase on one of the subs and see if you get the SPL increase.

I have done a quick test with only the PB-2000, I switched the phase knob to 180. It does play louder now Then I put the PB-1000 ON and it seems to create a "null effect" at my sitting place. Do I have to adjust each sub at 180 too ?

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Then I will wait a long time. If I can't have a 2nd NSD then I will wait however long I have to, or keep my current setup.
Sounds good your set up is nice already so no rush for sure. I was thinking to swap Pluses for new models if they will be available soon but really I don't care much I love current cylinder looks and 2 Pluses what more do I want to ask for.

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I have done a quick test with only the PB-2000, I switched the phase knob to 180. It does play louder now Then I put the PB-1000 ON and it seems to create a "null effect" at my sitting place. Do I have to adjust each sub at 180 too ?

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Setting up multiple subs without measurement equipment of some sort can be tricky unless you have an AVR that can auto calibrate two subs independently. I used REW so helpfully someone can provide you with an easier way of setting them up without these tools. You can determine your sub is in the correct phase by playing one at a time, with some loud mid-bass heavy music. Swap the subs phase in your AVR while listening at a spirited level. In phase, the bass should be noticeably stronger. When your sub is out of phase with your speakers, the bass will not hit as hard. Do this for each sub separately and they will both be in phase with your speakers, and therefore in phase with each other. That is a fairly easy non scientific way of doing it.

Ultimately, to make the most of your investment, REW, a mic such as the Umik-1, and miniDSP can get you a razor flat response.

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