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Thanks for your advice!

I am using the Pure Direct mode with the receiver. I am not using the back speakers. Just have a pair of bookshelf speakers and the PB12 Plus.
I like my PC12+ better in sealed mode for music as well. I currently run my towers as large and the sub as LFE +main. I find in my room I get a better sound at the low to moderate volumes I normally listen at.


Depending on the capabilities of your speakers 80hz is a good place to start. Maybe even go to 100hz or higher to see if the mid bass is better from the sub or the speakers.

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I am using the Pure Direct mode with the receiver. I am not using the back speakers. Just have a pair of bookshelf speakers and the PB12 Plus.
Pure Direct mode won't use your subwoofer as it completely bypasses the crossover.

Also depending on your bookshelf speakers it could be adequate to use a higher crossover frequency.
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I am using the Pure Direct mode with the receiver. I am not using the back speakers. Just have a pair of bookshelf speakers and the PB12 Plus.
Pure Direct mode won't use your subwoofer as it completely bypasses the crossover.

Also depending on your bookshelf speakers it could be adequate to use a higher crossover frequency
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I'm upgrading from BK Monolith.

Should I get

PC 2000
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PB 2000

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I'm upgrading from BK Monolith.

Should I get

PC 2000
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PB 2000

Both about the same, sound-wise. Depends on budget and form.

Life without bass is not worth living.
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I'm upgrading from BK Monolith.

Should I get

PC 2000
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PB 2000

Both about the same, sound-wise. Depends on budget and form.

Life without bass is not worth living.
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Both about the same, sound-wise. Depends on budget and form.
They're at same price.

I see that they use same element, same amp etc.

And the PC seems to do 16hz, while PB does 18hz?

Usage is 80% music and 20% movies.
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Pure Direct mode won't use your subwoofer as it completely bypasses the crossover.

Also depending on your bookshelf speakers it could be adequate to use a higher crossover frequency.
The Pure Direct in Yamaha might use the subwoofer if you have extra bass active.
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I'm upgrading from BK Monolith.

Should I get

PC 2000
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PB 2000

I have owned the PC12-NSD and PB12-NSD DSP and the PCs were far easier to calibrate in my room and played 3hz deeper. So I sold the PBs and have a PC-2000 on order.
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They're at same price.

I see that they use same element, same amp etc.

And the PC seems to do 16hz, while PB does 18hz?

Usage is 80% music and 20% movies.
The difference between 16 and 18Hz can't be heard, only measured. I am biased towards the water heaters. Plays music well and digs down for movies. Good luck in your choice, grasshopper.
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Pure Direct mode won't use your subwoofer as it completely bypasses the crossover.

Also depending on your bookshelf speakers it could be adequate to use a higher crossover frequency
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The Pure Direct in Yamaha might use the subwoofer if you have extra bass active.
As always, Neutro is spot on.

Regarding Gurba's proposal... it's definitely an interesting thought, but I just now checked it out, and it doesn't.

My AVR is a Yamaha RX-A2010.

Configuring the fronts to "Large" on the A2010 allows the use of "Extra Bass", which sends the front speakers' full-range signal to my SVS SB12. On the SB12, I have the Low Pass filter set to "Disable" (on its 400W Sledge amp, about 180Hz or so), so all low-frequency signals are sent to it, but the output frequencies start to loose amplitude at about 130Hz, and are completely gone at 180Hz.

Configured as above, switching the A2010 to "Pure Direct" mode completely bypasses those configurations... and when the source is only 2-channel, no signal is sent to the sub at all. Of course, if the source is multi-channel, and has actual content in the .1 channel, it will receive that signal... but my assumption is that we are only discussing the processing of a 2-channel source here.

If the fronts are configured to "Small", the A2010 has myriad processing modes (I tend to prefer "Straight", although I occasionally use "Nine Channel" if I want to engage my surrounds). Needless to say, in all of those modes, it sends the low-frequency crossed-over portion of the 2-channel signal to the sub.

But again, switching it from any of those modes to "Pure Direct" results in a "pure" 2-channel signal being sent solely to the front speakers, and no signal is sent to the sub at all.

Hope this helps!
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Hence the "might".
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Hence the "might".
Yah... I realized that you were simply speculating. The thought of its being possible threw me for a bit of a loop, though... which is why I had to immediately check it out, and let you know what I'd found.
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Yah... I realized that you were simply speculating. The thought of its being possible threw me for a bit of a loop, though... which is why I had to immediately check it out, and let you know what I'd found.
The thing is I had this issue With the subs playing along in Pure Direct. It took some time to figure it out.
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Hey guys, Ive had my PB-2000's up and running for about 2 weeks. With in the past week one sub does not kick on right away when it gets signal. It will kick on at a random time which is really weird. I talked to SVS and they suggested removing the amp to check the connections for the LFE plug-in. Have any of you guys ran into this problem? if so what did you do to fix it.

I'm running these with a Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2 I'm not using a y-splitter each sub is on its own connection.
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Pure Direct mode won't use your subwoofer as it completely bypasses the crossover.

Also depending on your bookshelf speakers it could be adequate to use a higher crossover frequency.


A few days ago, I opened a thread regarding the Pure Direct mode. Please see this thread:

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Thanks!
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The thing is I had this issue With the subs playing along in Pure Direct. It took some time to figure it out.
Now I'm really curious. What was going on?
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Hey guys, Ive had my PB-2000's up and running for about 2 weeks. With in the past week one sub does not kick on right away when it gets signal. It will kick on at a random time which is really weird. I talked to SVS and they suggested removing the amp to check the connections for the LFE plug-in. Have any of you guys ran into this problem? if so what did you do to fix it.

I'm running these with a Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2 I'm not using a y-splitter each sub is on its own connection.

There was someone else with a similar issue as yours, I cannot recall if it was in this thread though.

had 2 subs and one would turn on later then the other and it was due to the length of cable used to the sub.
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Now I'm really curious. What was going on?
I couldn't remember it earlier. When the PC soundcard was setup as a 7.1 the sub played in PD. When I set it to 2.0 only the fronts play. Weird thing but there you go.
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Hey guys, Ive had my PB-2000's up and running for about 2 weeks. With in the past week one sub does not kick on right away when it gets signal. It will kick on at a random time which is really weird. I talked to SVS and they suggested removing the amp to check the connections for the LFE plug-in. Have any of you guys ran into this problem? if so what did you do to fix it.

I'm running these with a Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2 I'm not using a y-splitter each sub is on its own connection.
Most likely YPAO set the sub levels differently on each of your subs (which is okay), and at lower levels only one wake up from standby because line level is higher. I have the same problem with my dual Plus. They're kind of overkill for the room so the levels are very low, and the one that is set lower sometimes doesn't wake up. I either turn it on manually or temporarily bump up the volume until it's on.

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A few days ago, I opened a thread regarding the Pure Direct mode. Please see this thread:

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Didn't know there actually was a way to use the sub in Pure Direct mode on Denons.

You still haven't told us what bookshelves you're using; they may require a higher crossover.

Also with Pure Direct you won't get the benefits of Audyssey room correction so the sub will likely be more affected by room modes and the like.

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I couldn't remember it earlier. When the PC soundcard was setup as a 7.1 the sub played in PD. When I set it to 2.0 only the fronts play. Weird thing but there you go.
Ahh... gotcha. Doesn't surprise me at all. I use my PC for ripping CDs, editing the WAV files to my liking, and then transferring them to a USB drive that's connected to my Oppo BD player... but I don't have any part of my AV system connected to either my PC or the Internet, and never have. I can't really say what the deal was... but using a PC's soundcard as any part of a "good" audio system has always seemed like a complete oxymoron to me.
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Ahh... gotcha. Doesn't surprise me at all. I use my PC for ripping CDs, editing the WAV files to my liking, and then transferring them to a USB drive that's connected to my Oppo BD player... but I don't have any part of my AV system connected to either my PC or the Internet, and never have. I can't really say what the deal was... but using a PC's soundcard as any part of a "good" audio system has always seemed like a complete oxymoron to me.
I have the PC Connected to the AVR With an HDMI-cable. I Guess I'm part of the "it's all digital"-crowd.
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Hey guys, Ive had my PB-2000's up and running for about 2 weeks. With in the past week one sub does not kick on right away when it gets signal. It will kick on at a random time which is really weird. I talked to SVS and they suggested removing the amp to check the connections for the LFE plug-in. Have any of you guys ran into this problem? if so what did you do to fix it.

I'm running these with a Pioneer VSX-1123 7.2 I'm not using a y-splitter each sub is on its own connection.
It finally quit today, the blue light stays on but no sound. I will be contacting SVS tomorrow for a replacement. I know things happen but when you spend $1500 on subs you would expect them to work longer then a week I tried switching out cables, removing the amp to look for connection problems and nothing. I might just return them both and go with dual PB-1000's not sure yet
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Also how would a single PB12-Plus compare to dual PB2000's?
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For $1500, he could get a PC-13 Ultra from the outlet!

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I have had my dual pb 2000s about two weeks with no problems. Thinking about using the 12v trigger to turn them on and off as I had a velodyne that had trouble with the signal sensing. I wouldn't trade my pb 2000s for anything.

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I have had my dual pb 2000s about two weeks with no problems. Thinking about using the 12v trigger to turn them on and off as I had a velodyne that had trouble with the signal sensing. I wouldn't trade my pb 2000s for anything.

I know what you mean....I got my fedex package today oh boy and does it pound.
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Hey ya fellas! Going to be a first time new owner of a pb2000... Can't wait to hear it as I been looking at sub's for weeks and the reviews on these are awesome! Who knows, by next year before this time there could be an upgrade!!
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