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The ported sub will give you that movie impact, I am not sure a more powerful sealed sub will.....I could be wrong.


There are many owners of sb13ultras on here that have said the bass the ultra puts out is earth shattering
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There are many owners of sb13ultras on here that have said the bass the ultra puts out is earth shattering

PB13 has 3 ports you can actual seal off with included foam so you have a sub that is either ported or sealed. I would love to get one but it is just way too big for the space my PB2000 is in right now.
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I went from sb2000 - it didn't provide enough impact in movies for me but was overall a very good sub- now I have the pc2000 but it's just too big for my room- but the sound is killer- movies are very forceful- but I'm going to try the sb13 ultra which is the sealed model. If it wasn't for space restrictions I would keep the pc2000 because it's awesome.
Very curious about your impressions of the SB13 Ultra once you get it. I went from an Sb2000 to the PC2000.. now at 2 SB2000s (which I am really happy with). Maybe down the line thinking of trading up to the SB13 Ultra. Since you have had the exact subs I have would like to know how much you like the Ultra.

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I have had a Mirage omni s12 ported sub before (it was not a bad sub at all but it was kind of boomy in my room 1600cubic feet i guess it was exciting a few low frequencies that made it sound boomy in my room) and i really prefer the sb13 ultra for movies it is unintrusive (it blends with my main speakers completelly) and will shake when it is called to do so...in the POD emergence scene in WOTW the windows shakes and the whole room feels presuarised it is more tha enough of sub power for my taste and the bass is really defined and hard hitting i think it really is a different animal then PB/SB/PC 12NSD/2000 you really have to test it to hear the difference...i can assure you the difference will be noticed immediatelly when the ultra will start playing...it is just that hard hitting and defined bass...a real HEAVEN for ears...at least from my experience
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I went from sb2000 - it didn't provide enough impact in movies for me but was overall a very good sub- now I have the pc2000 but it's just too big for my room- but the sound is killer- movies are very forceful- but I'm going to try the sb13 ultra which is the sealed model. If it wasn't for space restrictions I would keep the pc2000 because it's awesome.
The look of the subs shrinks over time. Just sayin

My wife had a heart attack when I set up the PB-1000. I ended up trading that for a PB12-NSD and when she saw that she started convulsing. Over time, once she got used to it, no issues, and even let me buy a second.

Moral of the story, make the PC2000 work if you are happy with it. Get creative if u have to
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The look of the subs shrinks over time. Just sayin

My wife had a heart attack when I set up the PB-1000. I ended up trading that for a PB12-NSD and when she saw that she started convulsing. Over time, once she got used to it, no issues, and even let me buy a second.

Moral of the story, make the PC2000 work if you are happy with it. Get creative if u have to


Space is tight- my g/f said we should keep it though- lol- now I have the itch to try the sb13 ultra- I have to see what all the hype is about.
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PB13 has 3 ports you can actual seal off with included foam so you have a sub that is either ported or sealed. I would love to get one but it is just way too big for the space my PB2000 is in right now.

Space is also my enemy.
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You can always put something on top of it to protect it and make it an end table.

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Space is tight- my g/f said we should keep it though- lol- now I have the itch to try the sb13 ultra- I have to see what all the hype is about.
The SB13-Ultra is my first SVS Sub, so I can only compare it to my previous sub - a Klipsch RSW-10d. Although it was a nice sub, there is no comparison between it and the new SB13-Ultra I now have. I'll be interested to hear what you think too.

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The SB13-Ultra is my first SVS Sub, so I can only compare it to my previous sub - a Klipsch RSW-10d. Although it was a nice sub, there is no comparison between it and the new SB13-Ultra I now have. I'll be interested to hear what you think too.

How's the impact for movies? How large is your room?
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So I have had my PB-2000 for about 1 week now. It is B I G big. For movies it is awesome. Really nice clean bass. Pretty much anytime it is required in a movie the pb2k is all good n ready. Now for music it is a lot more subtle. There when you think it should be there and then sometimes you kind of forget it is there. Sometimes I have to check to make sure the sub light is still blue to make sure it is still doing its thing. I think that since the thing is so big it should be knocking out my teeth with some boom. I think this thing might be a little too refined for my tastes maybe? I like it but for my cheapskate ass I'm wondering if I could be getting a bigger bang for my money.

Currently looking at HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP, Reaction Audio PS-15x and PSA XS15se to maybe test out. My budget is pretty firm @ about $800 but would love to spend less if there are comparable subs out there. My current setup is a Yamaha Aventage RX-a720, Aperion Intimus 5T, 5C and 4BP. My usage is 50% TV, 30% movie, 20% music. Alot of the TV/Movie is via streaming from my home server or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Music is from Pandora, Spotify or via streaming from my home server.

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So I have had my PB-2000 for about 1 week now. It is B I G big. For movies it is awesome. Really nice clean bass. Pretty much anytime it is required in a movie the pb2k is all good n ready. Now for music it is a lot more subtle. There when you think it should be there and then sometimes you kind of forget it is there. Sometimes I have to check to make sure the sub light is still blue to make sure it is still doing its thing. I think that since the thing is so big it should be knocking out my teeth with some boom. I think this thing might be a little too refined for my tastes maybe? I like it but for my cheapskate ass I'm wondering if I could be getting a bigger bang for my money.

Currently looking at HSU VTF-15H MK2, Reaction Audio PS-15x and PSA XS15se to maybe test out. My budget is pretty firm @ about $800 but would love to spend less if there are comparable subs out there. My current setup is a Yamaha Aventage RX-a720, Aperion Intimus 5T, 5C and 4BP. My usage is 50% TV, 30% movie, 20% music. Alot of the TV/Movie is via streaming from my home server or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Music is from Pandora, Spotify or via streaming from my home server.
It might be the flat response that you're noticing (or not noticing). If you're used to a sub with a peaky frequency response in the 60-90 Hz region, you might be used to more boom in music bass. If you get a miniDSP or a source with an EQ (like a player on your PC) you can apply a similar peak and see how it sounds to you.

What I like to think is if the SVS doesn't reproduce the sound, the sound is not in the source material. I find that music has widely varying levels of bass in the recording, so some songs really boom and others don't. Play a techno bass track and see how the sub plays.
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So I have had my PB-2000 for about 1 week now. It is B I G big. For movies it is awesome. Really nice clean bass. Pretty much anytime it is required in a movie the pb2k is all good n ready. Now for music it is a lot more subtle. There when you think it should be there and then sometimes you kind of forget it is there. Sometimes I have to check to make sure the sub light is still blue to make sure it is still doing its thing. I think that since the thing is so big it should be knocking out my teeth with some boom. I think this thing might be a little too refined for my tastes maybe? I like it but for my cheapskate ass I'm wondering if I could be getting a bigger bang for my money.

Currently looking at HSU VTF-15H MK2, Reaction Audio PS-15x and PSA XS15se to maybe test out. My budget is pretty firm @ about $800 but would love to spend less if there are comparable subs out there. My current setup is a Yamaha Aventage RX-a720, Aperion Intimus 5T, 5C and 4BP. My usage is 50% TV, 30% movie, 20% music. Alot of the TV/Movie is via streaming from my home server or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Music is from Pandora, Spotify or via streaming from my home server.
The HSU is $1000. The RA and PSA subs would give you more of that mid-bass output you seem to want but would give up quite a bit of low end output to the PB.

Your call. If $1000 is actually your budget then the HSU, RA PV15X or PSA XV15 would all be good choices.

If you want to give up all output below 30hz then take a look at the PA150 for around $400. It has the output above 40hz equal or nearly equal to the best 15" subs out there.

Might not be the most tuneful sub around but if you're all about the output then a pair might be worth it.

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How's the impact for movies? How large is your room?
Lot's of impact, sounds great. My room is 20' x '20' with a cathedral ceiling - a bit over 3000 cubic feet. I used an SPL to balance out everything after running YPAO (Yamaha Receiver) and then I increased the sub about 3db so it runs just a bit hot.
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I've thought about that- but the pc is an awkward height I could see someone setting a drink on it and disaster striking.
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The HSU is $1000. The RA and PSA subs would give you more of that mid-bass output you seem to want but would give up quite a bit of low end output to the PB.

Your call. If $1000 is actually your budget then the HSU, RA PV15X or PSA XV15 would all be good choices.

If you want to give up all output below 30hz then take a look at the PA150 for around $400. It has the output above 40hz equal or nearly equal to the best 15" subs out there.

Might not be the most tuneful sub around but if you're all about the output then a pair might be worth it.
I meant the HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP @ 799.00

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I meant the HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP @ 799.00
That would make it around $900 with shipping. Still a good price though.

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I wanted to try out the PB12+ but all the ones in the outlet center are gone. Oh well I'll keep checking in hopes something might pop up
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So I have had my PB-2000 for about 1 week now. It is B I G big. For movies it is awesome. Really nice clean bass. Pretty much anytime it is required in a movie the pb2k is all good n ready. Now for music it is a lot more subtle. There when you think it should be there and then sometimes you kind of forget it is there. Sometimes I have to check to make sure the sub light is still blue to make sure it is still doing its thing. I think that since the thing is so big it should be knocking out my teeth with some boom. I think this thing might be a little too refined for my tastes maybe? I like it but for my cheapskate ass I'm wondering if I could be getting a bigger bang for my money.

Currently looking at HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP, Reaction Audio PS-15x and PSA XS15se to maybe test out. My budget is pretty firm @ about $800 but would love to spend less if there are comparable subs out there. My current setup is a Yamaha Aventage RX-a720, Aperion Intimus 5T, 5C and 4BP. My usage is 50% TV, 30% movie, 20% music. Alot of the TV/Movie is via streaming from my home server or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Music is from Pandora, Spotify or via streaming from my home server.
What kind of receiver do you have? I have a Denon, and I too thought the bass in music was lacking. I compensated by running the subs hotter (when running hot for movies I went from -11 to -5 on the trim, music I usually ran -2 to 0). Eventually learned there are different settings for audio (eg: 2 channel, different types of surround, etc) on the Denon and found one where I could keep it at -5 and it is plenty powerful. Probably a similar situation to what you are going through.

Worst case, run that SOB hot on a powerful bass track. If the protect light comes on (i think PB2000 has one?), back it off a tad, then you will be good for anything.
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What kind of receiver do you have? I have a Denon, and I too thought the bass in music was lacking. I compensated by running the subs hotter (when running hot for movies I went from -11 to -5 on the trim, music I usually ran -2 to 0). Eventually learned there are different settings for audio (eg: 2 channel, different types of surround, etc) on the Denon and found one where I could keep it at -5 and it is plenty powerful. Probably a similar situation to what you are going through.

Worst case, run that SOB hot on a powerful bass track. If the protect light comes on (i think PB2000 has one?), back it off a tad, then you will be good for anything.
I have the Denon 4520 and for two channel music stereo mode I turn audyssey off and run manual eq with a house curve. I also leave my SB13 on in two channel mode as well. It sounds amazing. With audyssey on it does not sound near as good.

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I wanted to try out the PB12+ but all the ones in the outlet center are gone. Oh well I'll keep checking in hopes something might pop up
No worries there will be some soon, SVS told me before they have more items for outlet then is online visible, sometimes give them a call doesn't hurt. PB12+ definitely worted to try and keep
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Looking at the PC2000 cylinder and curious how much room I need from the wall to the port? I will be placing it in the corner of a room and can direct the port directly into the wall or corner and have 6-7" between the corner/wall and the port.

Also, comparing the PC-2000 and SB-2000 specs, they're identical but can anyone tell me which would have the cleaner more accurate bass for movies? Trying to stay away from boomy muddy bass. I realize that the PB is ported while the SB is sealed.

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Looking at the PC2000 cylinder and curious how much room I need from the wall to the port? I will be placing it in the corner of a room and can direct the port directly into the wall or corner and have 6-7" between the corner/wall and the port.

Also, comparing the PC-2000 and SB-2000 specs, they're identical but can anyone tell me which would have the cleaner more accurate bass for movies? Trying to stay away from boomy muddy bass. I realize that the PB is ported while the SB is sealed.


They are both great subs I had the sb2000 and now have the pc2000. The pc is definitely the way to go if you want impact for movies . With corner loading the pc if it gets boomy or bloated simply spin it around so port is facing outward instead of inward- that's what I did and it worked out great
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Looking at the PC2000 cylinder and curious how much room I need from the wall to the port? I will be placing it in the corner of a room and can direct the port directly into the wall or corner and have 6-7" between the corner/wall and the port.

Also, comparing the PC-2000 and SB-2000 specs, they're identical but can anyone tell me which would have the cleaner more accurate bass for movies? Trying to stay away from boomy muddy bass. I realize that the PB is ported while the SB is sealed.
from my experience i would say that for small to medium size rooms you better get one really good sealed sub as sb13 /psa xs15...(especially for medium size room) or two good ones (sb2000) but i wasnt impressed with two good ones (2xsb12) so i would recommend if you can to get one sb13 or equivallent unles you will have sb2000 nearfield...in small rooms ported subs may sound boomy...now my brother has 2xsb12 in small room (around 1000 cubic feet) and one is place nearfield and they totally rock his room...so much depends on placement...but he is also much hapier with sealed subs than ported and he also says that the sound is now not boomy anymore

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Also, comparing the PC-2000 and SB-2000 specs, they're identical but can anyone tell me which would have the cleaner more accurate bass for movies? Trying to stay away from boomy muddy bass. I realize that the PB is ported while the SB is sealed.
Get the PC. If it's placed well it won't be boomy. I think because it has so much more output down low people mistake that for being boomy compared to a sealed sub.

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Looking at the PC2000 cylinder and curious how much room I need from the wall to the port? I will be placing it in the corner of a room and can direct the port directly into the wall or corner and have 6-7" between the corner/wall and the port.

Also, comparing the PC-2000 and SB-2000 specs, they're identical but can anyone tell me which would have the cleaner more accurate bass for movies? Trying to stay away from boomy muddy bass. I realize that the PB is ported while the SB is sealed.

Thanks everyone for the responses, I would prefer to place the PC in the corner were my current sub is located...as you can see from the pics, space is an issue in a town house. Would you guys consider this a small, medium or large room for a sub? Basically, do I have to account for the rest of the room or only the area that I'm sitting in since its at an enclosed portion of the room?

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Anything over what the sub is set at. 1dB is "hot." It all varies on how much you run it hot to sound good to you. 3-6dB is about normal.
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So I have had my PB-2000 for about 1 week now. It is B I G big. For movies it is awesome. Really nice clean bass. Pretty much anytime it is required in a movie the pb2k is all good n ready. Now for music it is a lot more subtle. There when you think it should be there and then sometimes you kind of forget it is there. Sometimes I have to check to make sure the sub light is still blue to make sure it is still doing its thing. I think that since the thing is so big it should be knocking out my teeth with some boom. I think this thing might be a little too refined for my tastes maybe? I like it but for my cheapskate ass I'm wondering if I could be getting a bigger bang for my money.

Currently looking at HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP, Reaction Audio PS-15x and PSA XS15se to maybe test out. My budget is pretty firm @ about $800 but would love to spend less if there are comparable subs out there. My current setup is a Yamaha Aventage RX-a720, Aperion Intimus 5T, 5C and 4BP. My usage is 50% TV, 30% movie, 20% music. Alot of the TV/Movie is via streaming from my home server or Netflix or Amazon Prime. Music is from Pandora, Spotify or via streaming from my home server.
[QUOTE= What I like to think is if the SVS doesn't reproduce the sound, the sound is not in the source material. I find that music has widely varying levels of bass in the recording, so some songs really boom and others don't. Play a techno bass track and see how the sub plays.[/QUOTE]

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I agree... In regards to music the PB 2000 plays it when its there. You should give the sub more time so that you can become more acclimated to it and consider the material being played as the culprit not the sub. I came from a boomy sub that I thought was pretty damn good --- LMAO x2. Enter SVS... (yes I am a fanboy! ) If the source material is there the PB its playing it accurate - your settings/room ascetics/positioning could also be a factor. For music, you want the sub to be part of the show, not the whole show. Dependent on material you may get a chest punch vs. a more subtle punch.

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When running your sub "hot", how many dbs are you guys turning up the trim on the receiver?
After running YPAO and then double-checking with my SPL, I then boosted mine by 3-4 db. That sounds good to me - in my room, with my system anyway. I've seen that others have boosted theirs even more.

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