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Thanks...I had seen those before but forgot about them. Can you see them under the center channel?
Since they raise the center off of my console, I can see them. But my center channel is black so it blends in well.

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Question i have a PB12 Plus and my room is a open concept 23 by 18. Is it better to calibrate the sub in 16 hz tune or 20 hz tune for this size room. I did hear in the 16hz tune there is less group delay vs 20hz tune is this true? Also has anybody tried both these tunes and have a preference.
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Hey guys, I'm looking at getting a new sub for my 3.1 HT setup and I think I have narrowed it down to 3. SVS Merlin suggests either a SB-1000 or a PB-1000 but I would also like to consider the SB-2000. I have always been a fan of a 12" woofer so the PB-1000 has taken a bit of a backseat in my mind. Space is a concern although all three of these subs would be OK, the PB-1000 is getting close to max. My room is 25 x 16 x 7 but the seating area to watch movies is only 16 x 16 x 7. I have Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800's for my front L/R and a ProCenter 1000 for my center channel. I am going to be replacing and aging Definitive Technology ProSub 1000.

The SB-2000 has moved to the top of my list but is it worth the extra cash and would I be better with the 2000 given the 1800 cubic foot listening area?

Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.

Sorry I know this has probably been beat to death but 600+ pages in this thread is a lot to go through.

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Hey guys, I'm looking at getting a new sub for my 3.1 HT setup and I think I have narrowed it down to 3. SVS Merlin suggests either a SB-1000 or a PB-1000 but I would also like to consider the SB-2000. I have always been a fan of a 12" woofer so the PB-1000 has taken a bit of a backseat in my mind. Space is a concern although all three of these subs would be OK, the PB-1000 is getting close to max. My room is 25 x 16 x 7 but the seating area to watch movies is only 16 x 16 x 7. I have Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800's for my front L/R and a ProCenter 1000 for my center channel. I am going to be replacing and aging Definitive Technology ProSub 1000.

The SB-2000 has moved to the top of my list but is it worth the extra cash and would I be better with the 2000 given the 1800 cubic foot listening area?

Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
Don't leave off the PB-1000 just because it's a 10" sub. It is more capable than a lot of 12" subs you might find in a similar price range. Also, you're comparing sealed 12" to ported 10", which has big impact on output.

EDIT: If your listening area is open to the larger room, it's the volume of the whole space that you should use in figuring out what sub you need.
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Don't leave off the PB-1000 just because it's a 10" sub. It is more capable than a lot of 12" subs you might find in a similar price range. Also, you're comparing sealed 12" to ported 10", which has big impact on output.

EDIT: If your listening area is open to the larger room, it's the volume of the whole space that you should use in figuring out what sub you need.
So I should be considering 25 x 16 x 7 (2800 cubic feet) as my room size?

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So I should be considering 25 x 16 x 7 (2800 cubic feet) as my room size?
Maybe one of the other members on here can give a definitive answer, but I think it depends on the size of the opening. Below a certain size and it doesn't have as much of an effect (although many strive for a sealed space). If it's an open concept layout, then, yes, that would be your effective room size when it comes to getting that slam from a subwoofer.

Someone else quoted me according to an email notification, but for some reason I don't see the comment yet. In any case, the suggestion was that consideration should be given to the PB/PC-2000 in that space if your budget allows (it's not a big jump).

I have a PB-1000 in a larger space (nearly 4000 cubic feet). I'm looking to add a second sub, but the 1000 actually does well. It has strong output down to, and below, 20 Hz, and it shakes the couch on deep bass movie scenes.
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Hey guys, I'm looking at getting a new sub for my 3.1 HT setup and I think I have narrowed it down to 3. SVS Merlin suggests either a SB-1000 or a PB-1000 but I would also like to consider the SB-2000. I have always been a fan of a 12" woofer so the PB-1000 has taken a bit of a backseat in my mind. Space is a concern although all three of these subs would be OK, the PB-1000 is getting close to max. My room is 25 x 16 x 7 but the seating area to watch movies is only 16 x 16 x 7. I have Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800's for my front L/R and a ProCenter 1000 for my center channel. I am going to be replacing and aging Definitive Technology ProSub 1000.

The SB-2000 has moved to the top of my list but is it worth the extra cash and would I be better with the 2000 given the 1800 cubic foot listening area?

Thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.

Sorry I know this has probably been beat to death but 600+ pages in this thread is a lot to go through.
Its been a while since I actually delved into my Home A/V equipment....with that said I recently upgraded my entire system. I was pretty much in same situation when it came to sub selection. Finally went with the PC 2000 and I can't tell how pleased I am with it and can't wait to get a second one. I am also currently running a 3.2 set up with B&W speakers. I'm running my old Velodyne sub paired with the PC 2000 but I must tell you that the PC 2000 produces a much more delightful tone of bass IMO. I have hardwood floors therefore and I was used rattling the house and everything on the walls now I just fell the bass. Watching Godzilla made me feel bass that I don't remember feeling, even from the movie theatre
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How are people liking their PC-2000 so far?

I have had limited time to play with it and I am missing the audyssey mic so I haven't calibrated yet...But I am on the fence with it so far. I can hear a benefit at times but I am not blown away yet.

I will reserve judgment until after I calibrate with audyssey, just curious to hear what others think.

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How are people liking their PC-2000 so far?

I have had limited time to play with it and I am missing the audyssey mic so I haven't calibrated yet...But I am on the fence with it so far. I can hear a benefit at times but I am not blown away yet.

I will reserve judgment until after I calibrate with audyssey, just curious to hear what others think.
I've had mine since Saturday and have used Audyssey a couple times but don't care for its measurements. I ordered a tripod for the mic so we'll see if the settings are different this weekend. When I've tweaked the settings a little and listened to a couple movies (Oblivion and Prometheus), the PC-2000 sounded fantastic. It's all about finding the right settings with your speakers and AVR.
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I've had mine since Saturday and have used Audyssey a couple times but don't care for its measurements. I ordered a tripod for the mic so we'll see if the settings are different this weekend. When I've tweaked the settings a little and listened to a couple movies (Oblivion and Prometheus), the PC-2000 sounded fantastic. It's all about finding the right settings with your speakers and AVR.
How have you been holding the microphone to date? You absolutely must have a tripod.
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Question i have a PB12 Plus and my room is a open concept 23 by 18. Is it better to calibrate the sub in 16 hz tune or 20 hz tune for this size room. I did hear in the 16hz tune there is less group delay vs 20hz tune is this true? Also has anybody tried both these tunes and have a preference.
Depends if you find that you are stressing the sub beyond its capabilities. If you don't, then 16Hz is almost always better. 20Hz gains 3dB of output capability.
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How are people liking their PC-2000 so far?

I have had limited time to play with it and I am missing the audyssey mic so I haven't calibrated yet...But I am on the fence with it so far. I can hear a benefit at times but I am not blown away yet.

I will reserve judgment until after I calibrate with audyssey, just curious to hear what others think.
I used the Avanced MACC to calibrate at first. Ultimately adjusted my whole system based on my listening preferrence because I think that no calibration system can determine how i personnaly like to listen to music or watch a movie....but it s a good starting refrerrence though (just my humble non-professional opinion with nothing to base it on beside my own personal experience ) Forgot to add...with the help, guidance and support from the SVS staff of course!
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So I should be considering 25 x 16 x 7 (2800 cubic feet) as my room size?

Yes.

So I'd probably look at either a PB2000 or maybe a pair of PB1000s depending what you've got the room for.
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How have you been holding the microphone to date? You absolutely must have a tripod.
I had a tall bar stool and stacked a couple books on top and placed the microphone on that for all 6 listening positions. Had some really weird readings, so I ordered a tripod. I adjust all the settings to what I thought they should be and it sounded very good with guidance from the "Official" Audyssey thread folks.

Thinking of getting an SPL meter and Avia disk or Room Equalization Wizard software and a USB mic. Football season will be over soon and I have nothing else to do on weekends till it gets warm.
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I had a tall bar stool and stacked a couple books on top and placed the microphone on that for all 6 listening positions. Had some really weird readings, so I ordered a tripod. I adjust all the settings to what I thought they should be and it sounded very good with guidance from the "Official" Audyssey thread folks.

Thinking of getting an SPL meter and Avia disk or Room Equalization Wizard software and a USB mic. Football season will be over soon and I have nothing else to do on weekends till it gets warm.
Yes the problem with that is just like how on a speaker, the front baffle "reenforces" certain wavelengths and separates 180 degree space from 360 degree space. So the same will happen to the microphone. The microphone will read a resonance when placed against a wide surface. You ideally want the microphone placed as far away from a reflecting surface as possible with still being in the listening position.

Tightly group your measurement locations in the primary seating positions, use all 8 positions (varying distance in x,y 1/2 foot or so at a time).
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