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If you should try dual PB - 2000's it would likely make you forget the pursuit of those other brands. While I am definitely biased, I will run SVS subs until I die and my wife sells all my gear for a fraction of its true value!

BTW - I also run a PB-1000 in a secondary setup in my loft.
I'm another biased dual PB-2000 owner. In fact, I prefer these duals over a single PB-13 Ultra. Although, the PB-13U has a bit more output around port tune, the dual PB-2000's give up very little and of course have a smoother FR. I'm more than pleased with these subs in my 4800 cf theater.
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No doubt. While the F212's each have dual sealed 12" drivers, I thought about buying four SB13-ultras and stacking two per channel. I'm pretty sure that would beat the pants off the JL Audio subs. That's probably my next move if I don't like the PB13-ultras. I'll be surprised if I don't like them though...
I have a SB13 but I just want to level with you and other folks. The JL Audio subs are playing at a different stratosphere. The quality of bass out of the fathom subs I haven't seen matched by anything close to its price. I have a buddy with a F113 and another with 2 F112s so I'm very familiar with them. Not talking about output...many subs exceed the output of the JLs but there is difference between quality and quantity.

Having said that SB13 is a fantastic value and finally with Dirac I'm seeing what it can do and I can finally have it fill up the bottom end for music and crossover at 50 hz to my F208. I'll need one more to really fill up my room for movies. For music, I'm more than solid.
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If you should try dual PB - 2000's it would likely make you forget the pursuit of those other brands. While I am definitely biased, I will run SVS subs until I die

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Yep dual PB2000's kick butt, However, I bought them to replace my dual PB1000's

I went with dual PB-2000's to replaced my mismatched (generational) PB-10NSDs. One of those went into my office to replace the Mirage Omni-S8 for gaming, and the other one went in the family room to replace an old Klipsch 10".

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In order to run dual subs, do you need 2 sub outs on the avr?

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In order to run dual subs, do you need 2 sub outs on the avr?
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In order to run dual subs, do you need 2 sub outs on the avr?
I think you will be ok just with Y splitter.

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2 independent sub pre-outs are needed for the Audyssey SubEQ HT feature (example, Denon X4000). Otherwise, AVRs without this feature that have dual outs are actually using an internal Y-splitter (like the X3000 and below).
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I only have a single sub out, will there be any signal loss using the Y splitter?

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In order to run dual subs, do you need 2 sub outs on the avr?
No, but if you want to EQ them independently, you'll want to insert something like a miniDSP 2x4 between:
- the Y-splitter that's connected to the AVR's single subwoofer output; and
- each sub.


(And if you do that, you'll also want either...
- a UMIK-1 plus free REW; or
- an Dayton OmniMic v2,
...in order to take real-time measurements.)
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No, but if you want to EQ them independently, you'll want to insert something like a miniDSP 2x4 between:
- the Y-splitter that's connected to the AVR's single subwoofer output; and
- each sub.


(And if you do that, you'll also want either...
- a UMIK-1 plus free REW; or
- an Dayton OmniMic v2,
...in order to take real-time measurements.)
Thanks...I've downloaded REW and plan on getting a UMIK-1 in the next couple of weeks.

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Also, I read that I could use a Y splitter and run two RCA cables to my sub, is there a benefit to doing this vs the single RCA?

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Also, I read that I could use a Y splitter and run two RCA cables to my sub, is there a benefit to doing this vs the single RCA?
It doubles the input signal to wake up the sub.
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It doubles the input signal to wake up the sub.
I always wondered about that. I have a subwoofer cable that has 2 ends just for this. I don't use it anymore (I needed a longer one) and the "wake up" feature isn't any different than before, so I must not need it.

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It doubles the input signal to wake up the sub.
I don't understand what "wake up the sub" means? More robust sound?

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I don't understand what "wake up the sub" means? More robust sound?
Many subs have a standby mode to conserve power. Then when an input signal comes in the sub turns on fully. Some subs also have a trigger mode so if your AVR has a trigger output it will turn the sub on whenever the AVR is turned on.

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I have for my Pluses just single RCA cable to each sub power is on Auto and I never had problem with wake up my subs.

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Many subs have a standby mode to conserve power. Then when an input signal comes in the sub turns on fully. Some subs also have a trigger mode so if your AVR has a trigger output it will turn the sub on whenever the AVR is turned on.
Yes, my PC-2000 is always in standby mode and never had a problem "waking up" so I was confused.

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yeah disable all of that, crossover, PEQ, room compensation. Set to your port tune. Then run AV calibration/audyssey

Not a bad recommendation for a starting point but Audyssey did a terrible job EQing for me until I set up some basic PEQ on the sub to tame the resonances. Once that was done Audyssey did a much better final job. I believe it was detecting a resonance as the drop off point of the sub and stopped EQing below that. So I recommend EQing first with whatever you have...then using audyssey.
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I was pretty happy in my room with my 20 - 39 PCI sub ( since about 2007 ). Then adding a SB1000 helped even out the room. Added a PC 12 Plus and tuning it to 16 Hz has really been fun. Movies like Fury are even better !! I think I'll stop adding subs before my wife notices ( considering that the SB1000 and 20 - 39 PCI are now right behind her ) !!


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I have tried many Audyssey calibrations with the Dual Pc2000's no matter what i do i can't get them to sound better than my Pb12+. They sound a little louder and very full sounding but lack texture and definition. I am puzzled.
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I have tried many Audyssey calibrations with the Dual Pc2000's no matter what i do i can't get them to sound better than my Pb12+. They sound a little louder and very full sounding but lack texture and definition. I am puzzled.
Do you have Audyssey SubEQ? Just thinking, it might be an alignment issue.
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I have for my Pluses just single RCA cable to each sub power is on Auto and I never had problem with wake up my subs.
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Yes, my PC-2000 is always in standby mode and never had a problem "waking up" so I was confused.
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I always wondered about that. I have a subwoofer cable that has 2 ends just for this. I don't use it anymore (I needed a longer one) and the "wake up" feature isn't any different than before, so I must not need it.
This really only applies if/when you turn on your AVR's at lower volumes. For example if your receiver has a volume knob that goes from 0-99 your sub might not turn on until you're at 20 or 30. When you double up the signal you insure (or more accurately increase the chances) that it'll turn on when you have your volume set at 20 this way you don't have to increase your volume then decrease it again just to get the sub to turn on. Also when you double up the signal it helps prevent the sub from going to sleep prematurely e.g. you set the volume at 15 for low volume listening and the sub suddenly turns off.
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Do you have Audyssey SubEQ? Just thinking, it might be an alignment issue.
Yes i have the Marantz 7702 Xt32 and Sub EQ. So it should be a alignment issue.

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This really only applies if/when you turn on your AVR's at lower volumes. For example if your receiver has a volume knob that goes from 0-99 your sub might not turn on until you're at 20 or 30. When you double up the signal you insure (or more accurately increase the chances) that it'll turn on when you have your volume set at 20 this way you don't have to increase your volume then decrease it again just to get the sub to turn on. Also when you double up the signal it helps prevent the sub from going to sleep prematurely e.g. you set the volume at 15 for low volume listening and the sub suddenly turns off.
Both of my PC-2000's do the same thing they always go in stand by mode.
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For those of you running dual pluses or ultra's that have the sledge amp, do you still use thinks like the minidsp 2x4 to do the eq? Does the on board peq on the sub work, or should I spend the extra $100?

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For those of you running dual pluses or ultra's that have the sledge amp, do you still use thinks like the minidsp 2x4 to do the eq? Does the on board peq on the sub work, or should I spend the extra $100?
I don't I have been using only my AVR Denon X4000 with Audyssey XT32. I bought also Umic-1 and download REW but I'm Apple guy and REW and Apple it is pain in the back part of mine body. I'm thinking to get windows for Mac so I will get all working much more easier.

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