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Yes, the top comes off fairly easy, just get your finger nail under it and with a little force it will pop off.



Me too, I saw one on there today for a great price and I couldn't resist.
Did you get one without damage? Mine had "wrinkles" on the cloth but the pic didn't look that bad. I figured I'd never see a normal one even if I tried a month so I just got that one.

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[QUOTE=dmusoke;32274617]Makes sense...the point I wanted to raise was why are so many returned to begin with?

Well I had 2x bad delivery before with FedEx PC-12Plus arrived damaged 2x. So some can be from shipping and some light scratches from people who use it. With 45 days free return some of those subs can be maybe 1 yers or even more old and who know how many people use them before. I don't know how sensitive is piano black for scratching but maybe it is easy to do so. I like more wood finish even if is fake vinyl.

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Did you get one without damage? Mine had "wrinkles" on the cloth but the pic didn't look that bad. I figured I'd never see a normal one even if I tried a month so I just got that one.
I just purchased it yesterday so I will have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets here on Thursday. The one that I chose from the outlet (there were 2 available) said that there was no damage so hopefully it is as new.

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I don't know how sensitive is piano black for scratching but maybe it is easy to do so. I like more wood finish even if is fake vinyl.

I have had an SB-13 Ultra in piano black for about six months. No damage so far - either from shipping or use since then. My kids are grown and no pets currently, so I don't expect any scratches or dings due to use . I did apply a coat of Zaino (Z2). It's a completely clear polymer car sealant (not a wax) with no cleaners or polishes to scratch or damage the finish. It makes the finish pop and it protects it too. It even keeps it relatively dust-free. (YMMV). Anyway, no damage so far, don't expect any - and it's beautiful.


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I just came across this. Food for thought

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...1.89051/page-4

If EMP and the guy behind the Arx speakers (Jon Lane) tell me break in is not a myth, I'm inclined to believe them (even if the differences are small). And I would think the same physics at work on smaller woofers applies to larger ones, as well.
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Can the PB 2000 be placed upside down so that the woofer is closer to the floor and the port is closer to the ceiling ? I see that there is a gap in the metal grill at the top and in my house (with cats and kids) the surround on the woofer would be better protected that way. I know that subs are omnidirectional, but I was wondering more so on the internal electrical components side of things.

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I have had an SB-13 Ultra in piano black for about six months. No damage so far - either from shipping or use since then. My kids are grown and no pets currently, so I don't expect any scratches or dings due to use . I did apply a coat of Zaino (Z2). It's a completely clear polymer car sealant (not a wax) with no cleaners or polishes to scratch or damage the finish. It makes the finish pop and it protects it too. It even keeps it relatively dust-free. (YMMV). Anyway, no damage so far, don't expect any - and it's beautiful.


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I agree you will not have any issues. With trade in options what SVS have some subs in outlet could be couple years old or even more who knows. What is why they have some issues there. If your sub arrived ok and had no scratches I don't see any issues after that.

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Can the PB 2000 be placed upside down so that the woofer is closer to the floor and the port is closer to the ceiling ? I see that there is a gap in the metal grill at the top and in my house (with cats and kids) the surround on the woofer would be better protected that way. I know that subs are omnidirectional, but I was wondering more so on the internal electrical components side of things.

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I just purchased it yesterday so I will have to wait and see what it looks like when it gets here on Thursday. The one that I chose from the outlet (there were 2 available) said that there was no damage so hopefully it is as new.
Same guy probably unloaded 2. Well I got the one with "damage". Oh well. I just wanted one bad. I'll keep monitoring and if one ever shows up without damage I'll get that one. Honestly I'd rather pay an extra $30 and get brand new, but that ship sailed.

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speaking of. Anyone have a picture of the PC-2000 without the cap? I didn't know the woofer was on the top.

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speaking of. Anyone have a picture of the PC-2000 without the cap? I didn't know the woofer was on the top.
What do you mean the woofer is on the top? The driver is on the bottom.
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What do you mean the woofer is on the top? The driver is on the bottom.
Well someone said you can take the cap off so I'm curious what it looks like on the top. I'm not going to dig up the old post but I think someone said the woofer was on the top. If they were wrong they were wrong. Curious to see what it looks like under that cap though.

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If you put it upside down the "cap" would be on the floor. Which lead me to believe this person thinks when it stands normally the intake (port) is on the bottom (I know it is I've seen it) and the woofer is at the top under the cap. I thought he was talking about the PC not the PB.

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If the driver was at the top of the PC, it would just be a PB.
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Well someone said you can take the cap off so I'm curious what it looks like on the top. I'm not going to dig up the old post but I think someone said the woofer was on the top. If they were wrong they were wrong. Curious to see what it looks like under that cap though.

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If you put it upside down the "cap" would be on the floor. Which lead me to believe this person thinks when it stands normally the intake (port) is on the bottom (I know it is I've seen it) and the woofer is at the top under the cap. I thought he was talking about the PC not the PB.
Perhaps two posts were involved. One was regarding the PB. If you look at the front the driver is in the upper right section and the port is in the lower left section. The OP wanted to turn the sub over so the driver would be in the lower left thus the metal grill would do abetter job of keeping little hands and cats paws away from it.

I posted after that asking about removing the PC-2000 top wood piece. The driver is in the bottom, pointing towards the floor. I asked about the cap as I might want to replace it. I occasionally work with wood and I was considering using some yellow heart or bloodwood or...

Attached are several photos of pieces I've done and the woods used are like what I mentioned or quite similar... The boxes are yellow heart with ebony inlaid; the heart box is not quite as red as bloodwood; The display shelf is above my Samsung. Guess I'm just thinking about tying things together...
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If the driver was at the top of the PC, it would just be a PB.
One of the many things I do not like about the PC-2000. The port is at the bottom back and the driver is at the bottom. That's not much of a cylinder if you ask me. The other PCs have the ports at the top and it shoots straight down. Not only does it look better, it just seems like a better design.

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/images/...pc-2000_FB.jpg
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Well someone said you can take the cap off so I'm curious what it looks like on the top. I'm not going to dig up the old post but I think someone said the woofer was on the top. If they were wrong they were wrong. Curious to see what it looks like under that cap though.

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If you put it upside down the "cap" would be on the floor. Which lead me to believe this person thinks when it stands normally the intake (port) is on the bottom (I know it is I've seen it) and the woofer is at the top under the cap. I thought he was talking about the PC not the PB.

The PB2000 and PC2000 are 2 completely different form factors.

PC = Ported Cylinder. Has a "cap"
PB = Ported Box. Has no cap
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Well someone said you can take the cap off so I'm curious what it looks like on the top. I'm not going to dig up the old post but I think someone said the woofer was on the top. If they were wrong they were wrong. Curious to see what it looks like under that cap though.

this post

If you put it upside down the "cap" would be on the floor. Which lead me to believe this person thinks when it stands normally the intake (port) is on the bottom (I know it is I've seen it) and the woofer is at the top under the cap. I thought he was talking about the PC not the PB.

The PB2000 and PC2000 are 2 completely different form factors.

PC = Ported Cylinder. Has a "cap"
PB = Ported Box. Has no cap

Port on PC2000 is in the back
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If the driver was at the top of the PC, it would just be a PB.
One of the many things I do not like about the PC-2000. The port is at the bottom back and the driver is at the bottom. That's not much of a cylinder if you ask me. The other PCs have the ports at the top and it shoots straight down. Not only does it look better, it just seems like a better design.

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/images/...pc-2000_FB.jpg
I totally agree that the ports on top looks better. Maybe the PC-2000's internal dimensions called for a different design? Maybe SVS wanted to change things up? I hope they don't redesign the PC13-Ultra before I buy my next one.
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I totally agree that the ports on top looks better. Maybe the PC-2000's internal dimensions called for a different design? Maybe SVS wanted to change things up? I hope they don't redesign the PC13-Ultra before I buy my next one.
Port on PC2000 is a single massive 4" port, rather than 3 small ones. And the port actually bends internally towards the top of the cylinder (internally)

Honestly, it's actually a better design than the other cylinders IMO because you have control over which direction the port is firing, by simply turning the cylinder. There is no such control with top ports

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I posted after that asking about removing the PC-2000 top wood piece. The driver is in the bottom, pointing towards the floor. I asked about the cap as I might want to replace it. I occasionally work with wood and I was considering using some yellow heart or bloodwood or...

Attached are several photos of pieces I've done and the woods used are like what I mentioned or quite similar... The boxes are yellow heart with ebony inlaid; the heart box is not quite as red as bloodwood; The display shelf is above my Samsung. Guess I'm just thinking about tying things together...
Very nice wood working skills :-)

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Very nice wood working skills :-)

If you do go ahead and add your own touch to the PC2000, please share the results with us.
Thanks Tom,

If I do it I will post a photo.

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I totally agree that the ports on top looks better. Maybe the PC-2000's internal dimensions called for a different design? Maybe SVS wanted to change things up? I hope they don't redesign the PC13-Ultra before I buy my next one.
My understanding is that both the plus and the Ultra will eventually get a redesign to the look of the pc-2000.

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My understanding is that both the plus and the Ultra will eventually get a redesign to the look of the pc-2000.
If they ever clearance out the PC12-Plus for like $999.99 I'm gonna jump on 2 of those like fleas on a cat, and worry about selling my NSD's later. I just love the look of the NSDs and I'd rather upgrade to a PC12-Plus over a PC-2000. Just love the fabric, the top ports, and the grills. Just an overall cooler looking sub.
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One of the many things I do not like about the PC-2000. The port is at the bottom back and the driver is at the bottom. That's not much of a cylinder if you ask me. The other PCs have the ports at the top and it shoots straight down. Not only does it look better, it just seems like a better design.

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/images/...pc-2000_FB.jpg
But if the port is on the top, where am I going to put my potted plant?

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Port on PC2000 is a single massive 4" port, rather than 3 small ones. And the port actually bends internally towards the top of the cylinder (internally)

Honestly, it's actually a better design than the other cylinders IMO because you have control over which direction the port is firing, by simply turning the cylinder. There is no such control with top ports
Three "small ones?" My ports are 3" each. Not exactly small.

And, I can tune my sub with plugs in the ports.

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Three "small ones?" My ports are 3" each. Not exactly small.

And, I can tune my sub with plugs in the ports.
The PC-12 that the PC-2000 replaced did not have a variable tuning configuration. It's one of the big differentiators from the 12 to the 12+. So I don't think that was a consideration when redesigning the PC-12.
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The PC-12 that the PC-2000 replaced did not have a variable tuning configuration. It's one of the big differentiators from the 12 to the 12+. So I don't think that was a consideration when redesigning the PC-12.
I understand that.

But, MoJoe277 was saying the single 4" port is a better design than the three 3" "small" ports, which are tunable.

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I understand that.

But, MoJoe277 was saying the single 4" port is a better design than the three 3" "small" ports, which are tunable.
Yes, no argument there, three "small" ports are far superior as even two of them exceed the surface area of a 4" port.

Just making sure people didn't think there was a downgrade from the PC12 to the PC2000.
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