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Is a PB-2000 a significant upgrade from a 25-31PCi ?
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I have read very good reviews about the entire Ultra line, but I am using a DefTech Mythos Ten in piano black for my center. I have vintage speakers in the rest of my system; except for my SVS subs. If you buy Ultras or Primes, I would be very interested in your thoughts. I have recommended both just on the strength of reviews, and based on my faith in SVS, but I would love to hear more about either line if you try them out.
All my surrounds are Prime speakers. I've got 6 Prime Satellites running as my height and rear channels. Then I've got a pair of Prime bookshelf speakers as my side surrounds. I have been extremely happy with these speakers and in my limited testing think they would make great main speakers. Of course, they are going to require a sub for the low end. Generally speaking I like the midrange on my EMP towers more then the SVS midrange, however SVS seems to have the superior tweeter. I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more written about the SVS speaker lineup.
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Well, I ordered the prime bookshelves from the outlet today for $400 for the pair (black ash). It was zero damage.

I'm curious whether items from the outlet come from returns from the 45 day trial period solely or also from returns from the 1 year trade up or performance guarantee policies.

Does anyone know? (Just trying to determine how long my speakers were used by the previous owner.)

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Well, I ordered the prime bookshelves from the outlet today for $400 for the pair (black ash). It was zero damage.

I'm curious whether items from the outlet come from returns from the 45 day trial period solely or also from returns from the 1 year trade up or performance guarantee policies.

Does anyone know? (Just trying to determine how long my speakers were used by the previous owner.)

Thanks in advance.
I doubt that kind of info would be made public. Think of them as refurb with same warranty as new, other than that its luck of the draw I guess.
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Well, I ordered the prime bookshelves from the outlet today for $400 for the pair (black ash). It was zero damage.

I'm curious whether items from the outlet come from returns from the 45 day trial period solely or also from returns from the 1 year trade up or performance guarantee policies.

Does anyone know? (Just trying to determine how long my speakers were used by the previous owner.)

Thanks in advance.
Big upgrade from the Cores. Gonna do phantom center for a while?
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Big upgrade from the Cores. Gonna do phantom center for a while?
Yeah, I've gotten pretty good results with the phantom center with the Cores, provided the AVR is in 2ch stereo mode. Straight mode makes dialogue too quiet and harder to understand unless you crank it and then peaks are too loud.
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I doubt that kind of info would be made public. Think of them as refurb with same warranty as new, other than that its luck of the draw I guess.
Understand, I suppose I'm just a bit nervous/paranoid about buying anything that isn't brand new sealed. But the $100 saved was worth it for an item in perfect condition.
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Yeah, I've gotten pretty good results with the phantom center with the Cores, provided the AVR is in 2ch stereo mode. Straight mode makes dialogue too quiet and harder to understand unless you crank it and then peaks are too loud.
Understandable if its a 5.1 source.
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Understand, I suppose I'm just a bit nervous/paranoid about buying anything that isn't brand new sealed. But the $100 saved was worth it for an item in perfect condition.
No need to worry.
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Im thinking of getting the prime svs towers, but im reading very good things on the svs prime bookshelves and even better reviews on the ultra bookshelves. This is making think twice on what i should get to supplement my svs satelites i will be running as surrounds and atmos height speakers. Oh and my foundation is an svs pb2000 sub, man that thing moves air, felt my pants leg moving more than a few times watching movies, Pretty cool!!!
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Anyone have any idea whether SVS still ships free to Canada?
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Understand, I suppose I'm just a bit nervous/paranoid about buying anything that isn't brand new sealed. But the $100 saved was worth it for an item in perfect condition.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I have read that manufacturers sometimes over-produce for the holiday season, and then put brand new items in an outlet, or sell them to someone like accessories4less, in order to not devalue the base price. If that is true, you may very well have gotten something that was neither damaged nor pre-owned.
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Is a PB-2000 a significant upgrade from a 25-31PCi ?

Hi,

I think it would be a pretty significant upgrade. According to what I have read, SVS specced the 25-31PCi at 25Hz (tuning mode) to 100Hz at +/- 3db. The PB-2000 is specced at 17Hz (tuning mode) to 260Hz at +/-3db. Even without considering the difference in output, the PB-2000 is a much more versatile sub that will dig much deeper and play more nimbly into a higher frequency range.

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This could be an easier way to raise cash for R&D, and reduce excess inventory without tipping their hand as such. Unfortunately, SVS has some catching up to do in the sub war phenomena that's taking place right now. I love my SB-12 pluses, but I'm stepping up to RA Gamma18s for no other reason than HQ bang for the buck. You know, the same thing that SVS was known for 10 years ago. SVS still makes ultra high quality systems, but the fact remains that the third wave is pulling market share away from them and breathing down their neck. It seems the name of the game, now more than ever, is 'go big or go home'.

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All my surrounds are Prime speakers. I've got 6 Prime Satellites running as my height and rear channels. Then I've got a pair of Prime bookshelf speakers as my side surrounds. I have been extremely happy with these speakers and in my limited testing think they would make great main speakers. Of course, they are going to require a sub for the low end. Generally speaking I like the midrange on my EMP towers more then the SVS midrange, however SVS seems to have the superior tweeter. I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been more written about the SVS speaker lineup.
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Im thinking of getting the prime svs towers, but im reading very good things on the svs prime bookshelves and even better reviews on the ultra bookshelves. This is making think twice on what i should get to supplement my svs satelites i will be running as surrounds and atmos height speakers. Oh and my foundation is an svs pb2000 sub, man that thing moves air, felt my pants leg moving more than a few times watching movies, Pretty cool!!!

I've got the Prime Towers, Prime Center, dual PB-2000, and can tell you that my front soundstage is phenomenal. I've gone from two big stereo towers (1995) to a 5.1 Acoustic Research system (1997) to an 11.2 Mirage system (2008). Then I replaced the front Mirages with SVS Primes (2015) and am very, very happy. I've also spent some time with my brother-in-law's DefTech 5.1 system, but didn't like the sound as much. I don't foresee changing my speakers for years to come now.

If my house burned to the ground, I would replace all of my speakers with SVS at this point. That's how much I like them. I'd go with Prime Towers, Prime Center, Prime Bookshelves for the rest of the bed layer, and probably Prime Satellites for the overheads (Atmos/DTS:X). Although, Bookshelves overhead might not be a bad idea, just a little more costly, plus they're bigger and heavier so mounting them properly could be challenging.

Just my $.02.
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I've got the Prime Towers, Prime Center, dual PB-2000, and can tell you that my front soundstage is phenomenal. I've gone from two big stereo towers (1995) to a 5.1 Acoustic Research system (1997) to an 11.2 Mirage system (2008). Then I replaced the front Mirages with SVS Primes (2015) and am very, very happy. I've also spent some time with my brother-in-law's DefTech 5.1 system, but didn't like the sound as much. I don't foresee changing my speakers for years to come now.

If my house burned to the ground, I would replace all of my speakers with SVS at this point. That's how much I like them. I'd go with Prime Towers, Prime Center, Prime Bookshelves for the rest of the bed layer, and probably Prime Satellites for the overheads (Atmos/DTS:X). Although, Bookshelves overhead might not be a bad idea, just a little more costly, plus they're bigger and heavier so mounting them properly could be challenging.

Just my $.02.
I've been very happy with the Satellites as my Atmos height channels. Even the Satellites were a a pain to mount, the bookshelf speakers would have been a small nightmare.

It's funny to me that SVS speakers aren't getting more love out there. With all the talk about their subs no longer being the best bargain I think their speakers are the opposite. The Primes are a great deal!
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Is anyone looking at the outlet sale going on, I see prices falling. Saw quite a few PB-1000's for $425, and PB-2000 for $600, that seems like a good deal right?

Esp with the full warranty and returns even on outlet items, which I believe Svs is the only company to offer.
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Is anyone looking at the outlet sale going on, I see prices falling. Saw quite a few PB-1000's for $425, and PB-2000 for $600, that seems like a good deal right?

Esp with the full warranty and returns even on outlet items, which I believe Svs is the only company to offer.
Prices mostly depend on condition.
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Understandable if its a 5.1 source.
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I have read that manufacturers sometimes over-produce for the holiday season, and then put brand new items in an outlet, or sell them to someone like accessories4less, in order to not devalue the base price. If that is true, you may very well have gotten something that was neither damaged nor pre-owned.
Well, it has no cosmetic damage so even if in the very rare case it is 1 year old, whoever owned was as careful as I am with my AV gear.
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