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My last PC was delivered FedEx.
The PC subs are light enough to not need freight delivery. I'm sure part of the cost savings you get with a PC is the fact that they are paying less to shop it. SVS doesn't actually offer free shipping, they just adjust the price to include it.

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Some of the lower end units do not have the level screen...if yours doesn't, then just run the first mic position and calculate, then adjust the gain on the sub up or down and repeat until you get the sub trim where you want it. Then run the full cal.
So with first run at about 1 o'clock I got -5.5db trim. I decided to re-run with a higher gain and bumped it about 2 clicks closer to 2 o'clock. Trim came back as -10db. I know you said the more negative the better as long as you don't hit max but I see a lot written about aiming closer to -6db. Any reason to re-run with gain at first position. I have noticed with movies to get appropriate lower frequency effects I have to bump trim from -10 to -5. That being said my room is upper limits for this sub at 3100 cubic feet but I have a space restriction.

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They still do PC by FedEx just after one or more demage delivery to same address they will do freight. Like what I had.

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Subs in the old house (Dual PB2000) were in a very open space (around 1000 sq ft of floor space with high ceilings).

Living room in the new house is around 15x20 with 8 ft ceilings.

I knew we would feel improved bass in a smaller space but I wasn't expecting earthquakes like this - holy cow!
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So with first run at about 1 o'clock I got -5.5db trim. I decided to re-run with a higher gain and bumped it about 2 clicks closer to 2 o'clock. Trim came back as -10db. I know you said the more negative the better as long as you don't hit max but I see a lot written about aiming closer to -6db. Any reason to re-run with gain at first position. I have noticed with movies to get appropriate lower frequency effects I have to bump trim from -10 to -5. That being said my room is upper limits for this sub at 3100 cubic feet but I have a space restriction.
-10 is perfectly fine, gives you 10dB of headroom before hitting 0.

+5dB on the sub trim post Audyssey is pretty normal (+3dB to +6dB being most common). Personally, I run mine +13dB from where Audyssey set them, but I have an extreme room (+5K cu. ft.) and I'm a basshead.
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The PC subs are light enough to not need freight delivery. I'm sure part of the cost savings you get with a PC is the fact that they are paying less to shop it. SVS doesn't actually offer free shipping, they just adjust the price to include it.
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Are you packing PB13's now to send them back it is 99.9999% you do that now or will do it in next few days

I really like to give it a try I may try to get one SB16 to see how it will do compare to Plus.
I'm actually beyond my 45 day trail period so I'll be exercising the "bill of rights." Not really an issue for me as like others here, I was aware weeks ago of the "new Ultra's" impending arrival. As these are not yet in consumer's or review's hands, we can only speculate on their performance. And I would support your decision to audition the SB16 in your home! The only way to know!
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So with first run at about 1 o'clock I got -5.5db trim. I decided to re-run with a higher gain and bumped it about 2 clicks closer to 2 o'clock. Trim came back as -10db. I know you said the more negative the better as long as you don't hit max but I see a lot written about aiming closer to -6db. Any reason to re-run with gain at first position. I have noticed with movies to get appropriate lower frequency effects I have to bump trim from -10 to -5. That being said my room is upper limits for this sub at 3100 cubic feet but I have a space restriction.
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-10 is perfectly fine, gives you 10dB of headroom before hitting 0.

+5dB on the sub trim post Audyssey is pretty normal (+3dB to +6dB being most common). Personally, I run mine +13dB from where Audyssey set them, but I have an extreme room (+5K cu. ft.) and I'm a basshead.
Agree with @Alan P

Unlike D+M Audyssey implementations, older Onkyo's range from -15 to +12. I always strive to obtain -14 giving me tons of headroom and typically set my trim 10dB hot at -4 with excellent results in my 4800 cf space.

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I'm actually beyond my 45 day trail period so I'll be exercising the "bill of rights." Not really an issue for me as like others here, I was aware weeks ago of the "new Ultra's" impending arrival. As these are not yet in consumer's or review's hands, we can only speculate on their performance. And I would support your decision to audition the SB16 in your home! The only way to know!
Oh ok I tought you will still fit in 45 days. Can't wait for your compare detail info. How do you think PC12-Plus will stand up against SB16?

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Subs in the old house (Dual PB2000) were in a very open space (around 1000 sq ft of floor space with high ceilings).

Living room in the new house is around 15x20 with 8 ft ceilings.

I knew we would feel improved bass in a smaller space but I wasn't expecting earthquakes like this - holy cow!
I too had dual PB2000's and only recently sold them to upgrade to PB13U's. I continue to stand by my assessment in these threads in that in my 4800 cf space, they produced more SPL than most people would want to listen to continuously. They also easily perform to 17 Hz without effort. But more importantly, this performance IMO came with exceptionally clean, clear, punchy, and smooth sound quality...void of distortion. For perspective, I typically listened up to but rarely exceed reference level. I know you'll continue to enjoy the PB2000's.

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Oh ok I tought you will still fit in 45 days. Can't wait for your compare detail info. How do you think PC12-Plus will stand up against SB16?
I can only generalize and talk about a ported sub vs a sealed sub. On the low end, the PC12+ at port tune should be louder than the SB16 but rolls off sharply. The SB16 will continue to extend somewhat lower dependent on room gain. Between 20 Hz and 40 Hz, performance will likely be somewhat similar. Above 40 Hz, it would be expected that the SB16 would pull away with a bit more output. Again, these are general performance differences between these two types of subs. The real question is how these two will sound, quality wise, in your room? In reality, will one sound smoother, tighter, cleaner, clearer, or punchier? Blind tests conducted by forum members here suggests there's no discernible difference in sound quality between ported and sealed subs. Like any speaker, each sub has its own sound signature and each will perform differently in different rooms. In keeping with the advice we all appreciate and support, the only way to know for sure is to try the sub in one's own environment. Perhaps others might offer their experience, insight, or thoughts.
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I just bought SVS prime tower speakers with the prime center and 4 prime satellites and am wondering if I should set the speaker size to 'small' and set the crossovers of the towers @80hz, or let Audyssey set them to full band (Large) and lower the crossover to say 60hz. I also have the PC13 ultra sub. These are all being powered by my Denon x6200w.
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So, for those of us that can not afford or accommodate otherwise the new 16" beast, does SVS have any plans to revamp their other lines?
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So apparently one of my 3 yo twins must reached behind my new Pb-1000 and turned the gain to max while I was at work. I was watching tv for about 30 min tonight wondering why the show was so bass heavy at low to moderate listening volume and found out why when I checked the sub. Any harm done?
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I just bought SVS prime tower speakers with the prime center and 4 prime satellites and am wondering if I should set the speaker size to 'small' and set the crossovers of the towers @80hz, or let Audyssey set them to full band (Large) and lower the crossover to say 60hz. I also have the PC13 ultra sub. These are all being powered by my Denon x6200w.
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Conventional wisdom and the overwhelming advice found in this forum is to "initially" set speakers to small and crossovers at 80 Hz. The reasons for doing so and for more information on bass management, visit the following SVS link...

https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75...ement-a-primer

Bottom line, use the information as a guideline and definitely experiment to taste. Room correction is but a tool, varies in quality, varies in effectiveness, and is definitely room dependent.

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Conventional wisdom and the overwhelming advice found in this forum is to "initially" set speakers to small and crossovers at 80 Hz. The reasons for doing so and for more information on bass management, visit the following SVS link...

https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75...ement-a-primer
Thanks so much for the link
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-10 is perfectly fine, gives you 10dB of headroom before hitting 0.

+5dB on the sub trim post Audyssey is pretty normal (+3dB to +6dB being most common). Personally, I run mine +13dB from where Audyssey set them, but I have an extreme room (+5K cu. ft.) and I'm a basshead.

Hi Alan


I've read that a lot on here and was wondering if recommendations of bumping up the sub channel 3-6dB after Audyssey Calibration is with or without Dynamic EQ on? I usually have DEQ on (with RLO set to -5dB) and the MV set to around -10dB and think it's already quite bass heavy, can't imagine another 6dB up from there (or 13dB!! lol)
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So apparently one of my 3 yo twins must reached behind my new Pb-1000 and turned the gain to max while I was at work. I was watching tv for about 30 min tonight wondering why the show was so bass heavy at low to moderate listening volume and found out why when I checked the sub. Any harm done?
These aren't best buy subs (even if they're starting to be sold in some), don't worry so much. No harm done.

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Guys I just got a SVS PB-1000 and when I have it plugged into an outlet and powered on I get a very faint rumble really low pitched rumble (I have sensitive hearing, not sure everyone would even hear this) that I can hear if I put my head right next to the woofer. This happens even if the subwoofer is not plugged into the receiver via with coaxial cable. I also have tried a couple outlets without being connected to the receiver at all, same results.

Is this normal or should I be concerned? I got it a week ago and have no idea if it was doing this earlier or not.

Also noticed if I move the crossover from LFE counter clockwise towards the other direction the rumble becomes harder and harder to hear.
I just got a new pb-1000 and have noticed the exact same thing as the quoted poster. Happens without coax and tried a second outlet. My prior sub did hum with just power connected so I wonder if it is my house wiring. This is not a hum though but a rumble as described in quoted post. The only way to hear it by putting my ear close to driver or feeling it vibrate if I gently touch it. I guess I'll call SVs and see what they say.
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I just got a new pb-1000 and have noticed the exact same thing as the quoted poster. Happens without coax and tried a second outlet. My prior sub did hum with just power connected so I wonder if it is my house wiring. This is not a hum though but a rumble as described in quoted post. The only way to hear it by putting my ear close to driver or feeling it vibrate if I gently touch it. I guess I'll call SVs and see what they say.
'Dirty' outlet.

Going direct to wall, both my SB2000s has that very feint hum too. But connecting it to my power conditioner (Bada LB-3300) makes it completely silent.

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I disagree with your estimated performance comparison. I agree the PB12 plus is likely to have an output advantage around tune. But above that, the SB16 will have a large output advantage.
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I disagree with your estimated performance comparison. I agree the PB12 plus is likely to have an output advantage around tune. But above that, the SB16 will have a large output advantage.
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I can only generalize and talk about a ported sub vs a sealed sub. On the low end, the PC12+ at port tune should be louder than the SB16 but rolls off sharply. The SB16 will continue to extend somewhat lower dependent on room gain. Between 20 Hz and 40 Hz, performance will likely be somewhat similar. Above 40 Hz, it would be expected that the SB16 would pull away with a bit more output. Again, these are general performance differences between these two types of subs. The real question is how these two will sound, quality wise, in your room? In reality, will one sound smoother, tighter, cleaner, clearer, or punchier? Blind tests conducted by forum members here suggests there's no discernible difference in sound quality between ported and sealed subs. Like any speaker, each sub has its own sound signature and each will perform differently in different rooms. In keeping with the advice we all appreciate and support, the only way to know for sure is to try the sub in one's own environment. Perhaps others might offer their experience, insight, or thoughts.
Will see I may give it a try. Really looks great those 16" subs. Another option will be to wait for 16" water heater what SVS didn't say yes or no. Also will wait for that November promo and see if they will do some specialls on 13.5" Ultras. Grabbing dual ported Ultras 13.5 may be also way to go.
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Your AVR will give you a sub level screen when you run Audyssey. Set the volume on the sub so that it reads ~78dB on screen. This should give you an initial sub trim in the -6 range. You can check and adjust this result by running the first mic position only and hitting "Calculate". Once you get the sub trim where you want it, then run the full Audyssey calibration.

The ideal initial sub trim is -11.5, but -12 is too low because that is the lower limit. The further you can get the sub trim into the negative numbers, the more headroom you will have to run the sub "hot" without going over 0dB on the trim. Going over 0dB on the trim has proven problematic and can result in clipping of the subwoofer signal at higher MV (Master Volume) levels.
Interesting, I have the new Denon X4300H and don't recall seeing the sub volume screen, but this is my 1st receiver with Audyssey and it could've been that I was so anxious to get it setup and blew past it. I plan to get a 2nd PB2000 and will rerun Audyssey and be sure to look for that screen. Audyssey has my sub at -3db (gain at 12 o'clock), so it seems I should maybe rerun Audyssey to get the optimum trim.
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FWIW, when Alan mentioned that most people prefer boosting their subs +3 to +6db, it wasn't a recommendation, just an observation. And, that is generally in addition to DEQ, which adds a bass boost of its own.

But, people should just use whatever amount of bass boost they prefer, including none at all. Alan and I, and now lately Gene, are just bassheads. p).

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FWIW, when Alan mentioned that most people prefer boosting their subs +3 to +6db, it wasn't a recommendation, just an observation. And, that is generally in addition to DEQ, which adds a bass boost of its own.

But, people should just use whatever amount of bass boost they prefer, including none at all. Alan and I, and now lately Gene, are just bassheads. p).

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You 3 be a bassheads no not at all , Gene doesn't like bass at all he love it !!! He is probably first one who ordered PB16's.

+1 to add 3-6db after Audyssey finish set up!!! Really feels better for me as well.
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If I rerun Audyssey, do I need to reset receiver to factory settings or can I leave the settings I have?

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Oh ok I tought you will still fit in 45 days. Can't wait for your compare detail info. How do you think PC12-Plus will stand up against SB16?
One PC12 Plus will probably have the same output as one SB16. Dual Pluses will still have more output. You want more than your duals then go dual SB16's or PB16's. Ofc this is just a guesstimate.

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