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Perfect. Thanks. It'll be a tight squeeze, just wanted to be sure as svs lists different measurements between the manual and specs on the site.
You can go with 90 degree power cable and RCA connection, save yourself a bit of space, not worry about squishing cables!
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No clue who's eating it. I initially asked for them to just send me a new one and a return shipping label and that I'd send the old one back, but they said they had to issue a refund, so I asked for a shipping label to send this one in, but the guy didn't want to hear it, he said just keep it they didn't want it.

I'm guess the warranty still technically applies to it. I'm not sure about the ethical nature of asking SVS to warranty the amp on what's essentially going to be a free sub, especially if they somehow end up getting charged back through Amazon though.

I did call the SVS guys first, and they told me they'd help, but that I should call Amazon first since they're the ones who I purchased it from.
I'm pretty sure you bought it from a 3rd party vendor like Huppins or Onecall, through Amazon. Amazon doesn't actually sell SVS subs.
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I'm pretty sure you bought it from a 3rd party vendor like Huppins or Onecall, through Amazon. Amazon doesn't actually sell SVS subs.
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Sold by SVS through Amazon.
One of those 2 ate the cost and Im guessing Amazon. Which is why SVS told him to contact Amazon first. SVS sells 2 subs instead of one and the customer is happy with no time spent by SVS shipping or troubleshooting.

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Just ordered a PB2000. Coming from a 10 year old Klipsch downward facing. I've been told it will be a night and day sound difference. One question. Should I re-run a complete Audyessy with my Denon? Or is there a selection just for the subwoofer, I can't remember. I need to be home to receive it, so I may have to contact UPS or however it gets shipped to hold it until I can be home. Are these shipped UPS or special courier service?

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No clue who's eating it. I initially asked for them to just send me a new one and a return shipping label and that I'd send the old one back, but they said they had to issue a refund, so I asked for a shipping label to send this one in, but the guy didn't want to hear it, he said just keep it they didn't want it.

I'm guess the warranty still technically applies to it. I'm not sure about the ethical nature of asking SVS to warranty the amp on what's essentially going to be a free sub, especially if they somehow end up getting charged back through Amazon though.

I did call the SVS guys first, and they told me they'd help, but that I should call Amazon first since they're the ones who I purchased it from.
I'd be happy to send you a UPS label so you can send it to me
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Just ordered a PB2000. Coming from a 10 year old Klipsch downward facing. I've been told it will be a night and day sound difference. One question. Should I re-run a complete Audyessy with my Denon? Or is there a selection just for the subwoofer, I can't remember. I need to be home to receive it, so I may have to contact UPS or however it gets shipped to hold it until I can be home. Are these shipped UPS or special courier service?

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Yes you will need to re run Audyssey, before you do that you need to get the sub gain close. An SPL meter is good for this purpose.
My SVS was shipped either UPS or Fedex, I can't remember which.

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Just ordered a PB2000. Coming from a 10 year old Klipsch downward facing. I've been told it will be a night and day sound difference. One question. Should I re-run a complete Audyessy with my Denon? Or is there a selection just for the subwoofer, I can't remember. I need to be home to receive it, so I may have to contact UPS or however it gets shipped to hold it until I can be home. Are these shipped UPS or special courier service?

Thanks!
I have one coming Friday, FedEx, there was 24 hours between my order & shipping which is when I got my tracking. FedEx has a link on the tracking page that allowed me to print a release which I printed (I hope to be here to get it) but in case I am not it will be on my door.

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Just ordered a PB2000. Coming from a 10 year old Klipsch downward facing. I've been told it will be a night and day sound difference. One question. Should I re-run a complete Audyessy with my Denon? Or is there a selection just for the subwoofer, I can't remember.
It is necessary to completely re-run room correction when there is any change of or re-positioning of any speaker...particularly with respect to subwoofers.

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I have one coming Friday, FedEx, there was 24 hours between my order & shipping which is when I got my tracking. FedEx has a link on the tracking page that allowed me to print a release which I printed (I hope to be here to get it) but in case I am not it will be on my door.
Congrats to you both! Having heard older Klipsch subs and the SB2000 as well as being a recent owner of dual PB2000's, I can assure you that a pleasant surprise awaits. Of course your room size, room acoustics, and placement will impact a sub's performance but you should expect a smooth and tight sound signature with a significant increase in output relative to your current subs...especially for movies. Please do post your impressions!
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Yes you will need to re run Audyssey, before you do that you need to get the sub gain close. An SPL meter is good for this purpose.
My SVS was shipped either UPS or Fedex, I can't remember which.
FWIW, it isn't actually necessary to use an SPL meter with Audyssey. Even with an early version of Audyssey, it will set the sub trim level, based on whatever the sub gain is, in order to produce 75db at the MLP. All you have to do is to run a one-point calibration, check the trim level, adjust the gain up or down to achieve a good negative trim level, and when satisfied, run the full six or eight-point (depending on Audyssey version) calibration.
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FWIW, it isn't actually necessary to use an SPL meter with Audyssey. Even with an early version of Audyssey, it will set the sub trim level, based on whatever the sub gain is, in order to produce 75db at the MLP. All you have to do is to run a one-point calibration, check the trim level, adjust the gain up or down to achieve a good negative trim level, and when satisfied, run the full six or eight-point (depending on Audyssey version) calibration.
I would think he should run it just to get the distance of the sub dialed in. Different subs have different components and filters so that will effect the timing/distance a little. I still check everything with an SPL because I like to know I verified all my levels and many times there's room for some tweeking.

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I would think he should run it just to get the distance of the sub dialed in. Different subs have different components and filters so that will effect the timing/distance a little. I still check everything with an SPL because I like to know I verified all my levels and many times there's room for some tweeking.
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Timing, gain level, and actual filters set could all be very different with a new sub, so running Audyssey would definitely be a good idea. The only thing I was suggesting is that it isn't necessary to use an SPL meter to adjust the sub gain, as the Audyssey calibration process itself provides an easy way to do that.

Of course, there is also nothing wrong with using an SPL meter to check what Audyssey has done, and to make any preference changes desired. But, you are unlikely to be able to improve on Audyssey's accuracy with respect to making all channels, including the sub channel, play at the same volume at the MLP. The Audyssey calibrated microphone has an error factor of about +/- 2-3db, as do all but the more expensive calibrated SPL meters. So, either Audyssey, or the SPL meter, could be off a little in either direction. But, where Audyssey is not likely to be off, is with setting all of the channels in a system to the same volume. And, the Audyssey mic. will measure bass frequencies much more accurately than most SPL meters' will.

After Audyssey has set the channels to all play at equal volumes at the MLP, nearly everyone adds a sub boost, as our hearing is less sensitive in the lower bass frequencies, and we may also just want to emphasize low bass, or bass effects in movies. But, the initial trim settings for all of the channels will be very equivalent within that overall +/- error factor of the microphone. And, it will only be coincidence if an SPL meter, with it's own error factor, exactly replicates the Audyssey SPL measurements.

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FWIW, it isn't actually necessary to use an SPL meter with Audyssey. Even with an early version of Audyssey, it will set the sub trim level, based on whatever the sub gain is, in order to produce 75db at the MLP. All you have to do is to run a one-point calibration, check the trim level, adjust the gain up or down to achieve a good negative trim level, and when satisfied, run the full six or eight-point (depending on Audyssey version) calibration.
True enough, but an SPL meter is usually faster.

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Hey all. I'm new to this thread, but I've been lurking for a few weeks doing research. I just got my PB-2000 delivered today. It's my first 'real' home theater sub. I can't wait to crank it up! It wasn't really planned this way, but the black wood finish perfectly matches my Polk tsi400 towers. It's crazy how close it is.

I picked this up direct from the SVS outlet store during their black friday sale for $150 off normal! There are two small blemishes on the bottom and one on the left side. They are hardly noticeable unless you're really looking. I really had to search hard for one even though I knew where it was because it was so small. Other than those very minor things, it's in perfect condition. Thanks for the sale SVS! I was considering the PB-1000, but the sale sealed the deal for me.

Anyway, I haven't even calibrated it with the rest of my system yet, but wanted to share some pics. Enjoy!



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It wasn't really planned this way, but the black wood finish perfectly matches my Polk tsi400 towers. It's crazy how close it is.
Nice! That really is a close match! Look forward o hearing what you think of it once you get it all going.
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SVS SB13 Ultra and SB2000

Hi all,

I'm considering adding a second sub to my system. Room dimensions are 13 wide by 14 long by 8 foot height. My current SB13 Ultra is located behind my couch 3.5 feet from the corner on the back wall beside my right surround speaker. The second sub would go along the 14 ft long wall close to my FR speaker. In terms of length from the front corner it would be 4 feet from the front corner of my room. Basically its in my living room that has an open space to my dining room. I want to get the SB2000 as that is all my budget can afford for a second sub. I was also considering placing the SB2000 beside my SB13 Ultra subwoofer for starters but I'm under the thinking that placing them a distance away from each other will smooth out any nulls in my living room.

Does anyone have any advice or have the same type of setup or using dual subs of any brand? Your input and any forum members comments are welcome. Thanks all.

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I would wait until you can afford another SB13-Ultra. Or, sell it to get dual SB-2000's. If you really want to get the SB-2000, I would put the 2000 behind the couch and put the Ultra in the front. That way the 2000 isn't trying to keep up with the Ultra.
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I would wait until you can afford another SB13-Ultra. Or, sell it to get dual SB-2000's. If you really want to get the SB-2000, I would put the 2000 behind the couch and put the Ultra in the front. That way the 2000 isn't trying to keep up with the Ultra.
Thanks for your response Mongo171. So due to the less power of the SB2000 the output wont be very noticeable? I thought the purpose of having 2 subs was to fill in the extra air needed to move in open spaces to give a more fuller soundstage? That is why I want to place the SB2000 along the side wall that is 14ft long. But I hear what you are saying as well. Thanks.

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Thanks for your response Mongo171. So due to the less power of the SB2000 the output wont be very noticeable? I thought the purpose of having 2 subs was to fill in the extra air needed to move in open spaces to give a more fuller soundstage? That is why I want to place the SB2000 along the side wall that is 14ft long. But I hear what you are saying as well. Thanks.

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Hi. I had a sb13u along my sb12nsd and i can say that that is a no go....i didnt like it because the ultra was overpowering it and i could hear where the ultra is...i would also advise you to purchase another sb13u when you have money...with my testing the ultra was better than 2xsb12nsd so i would rather have an ultra than 2xsb2000...i know an ultra is not cheap but it is worth it to purchase another one believe me

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Thanks for your response Mongo171. So due to the less power of the SB2000 the output wont be very noticeable? I thought the purpose of having 2 subs was to fill in the extra air needed to move in open spaces to give a more fuller soundstage? That is why I want to place the SB2000 along the side wall that is 14ft long. But I hear what you are saying as well. Thanks. audiomanz
Yes 2 subs would help even out the frequency response in the room for more than one given seating location but due to lesser power and not as deep extension, the SB2k would easily be out paced by the SB13U.

But if you really want 2 subs now and have a max budget for only a SB2k then I would only recommend that you do it as Mongo171 recommended and put the SB2k very close to your seating area (near field) so it won't have to play as loud or max out to compete with the SB13U, plus it will give you some decent tactile response. Therefore put the SB13U farther away, near your FR speakers, as you mentioned.

Then a year from now when you have more cash you can use SVS's Bill of Rights and upgrade your SB2k to a 2nd SB13U to increase sound quality and have more sub placement options

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Hey all. I'm new to this thread, but I've been lurking for a few weeks doing research. I just got my PB-2000 delivered today. It's my first 'real' home theater sub. I can't wait to crank it up! It wasn't really planned this way, but the black wood finish perfectly matches my Polk tsi400 towers. It's crazy how close it is.

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Anyway, I haven't even calibrated it with the rest of my system yet, but wanted to share some pics. Enjoy!



Congrats! Nice setup! Having had PB2000's, I know you'll be happy. Keep an eye open for more outlet deals because that single PB2000 will be getting lonely soon!

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