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Anyone have suggestions for rocker switch repair? I bought a PB10 ISD about ten years ago and today when turning it off the rocker switch pops out. I'm quite sure I can repair it myself, but don't know where to buy the switch from or even if I did, the amps or voltage I need. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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I would just contact SVS. They should be able to provide you with any information you need, and may even have a replacement part that will fit your sub.

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I need an extension cord for a PC13 Ultra. I need about 15'. What gauge I should aim for?

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Hi again fellow bass-heads!

A few pages back, i was contemplating the upgrade from pb-1000 to pb-2000.

So i did, i took the step... off went the pb-1000, here comes my brand new pb-2000.
Yeahhhhh -not so fast-... .


LED indicator is not working!
I cannot see it go blue-or orange (stand by).
The sub seems to work fine otherwise. More tests to follow...
what i havent confirmed yet is if it goes to stand-by mode (orange), since... no led. I will need a wattage meter, to monitor that.


For a brand new 900euro sub, of course this is not very good!

I will contact SVS of course, but i would hate to send it back. It will cost a lot and will take a long (i am in Greece, and i bought it from europe, it is a 40kilo huge package!)

Just wanted to share it and to see if anyone had any similar experience.
I fixed-it .
It was a loose wire for the LED. PB-2000 rocks.



As an upgrade from pb-1000, the difference is obvious especially in movies.
For example the Prometheus movie, in the start, when the spaceship hovers above, (it needs to be run too hot to see the difference, as much as +10db), the pb-1000 would max-out without really shaking the room. After a certain point of trying to turn up sub volume even more, you could see/hear that there was nothing more it could give to you. It was already maxed out.
You could of course listen to new things with pb-1000 -not hearable with ordinary speakers- you could feel a slight rambling, but not to the point you could say it is enough. Something was just missing, just before when you were about to reach climax... you wouldnt. Almost TOO close. Perhaps in a smaller room, or a different position, or lower listening volumes would reach absolute climax. But not my case.
With pb-2000 it just didnt couldn't be maxed out. As i said i did a +10 adj just for testing the sub (gonna leave it in +3 after i play a while), and i just felt no need to test it further. I was not maxed-out, plenty of headroom left, and i felt that it was more than enough, deep and loud, and i got the feeling that i was after. It was the "one".


If you are a movie guy, and not in a very small room (like a 14sq meters), i strongly suggest going for the PB-2000 instead . However notice that it is also substantially larger from pb-1000, the grill ads 5cm in front of it. I like it thought.

Any other questions, if i can answer, free to ask.
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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

I go crazy when the wife is not home. Even when I don't I get the light flash from top of the basement steps to turn it down. She says it's rattling the house.

It will get worse as I am going to order up a 2nd subwoofer soon. I've always love lots of bass ever since installing the 2 Bazookas in my car, but I must have the other speakers to even things out, so you can imagine it gets really loud some times.

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I need an extension cord for a PC13 Ultra. I need about 15'. What gauge I should aim for?
Hi,

A 14 gauge power cord is a good standard to use. If I were you, I would just buy a longer replacement power cord, if they come in the specific length you need, rather than connecting the existing power cord to an extension cord. This is a power cord that I am using for a PB16. Prior to that, it powered a PB13 in the same spot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I fixed-it .
It was a loose wire for the LED. PB-2000 rocks.



As an upgrade from pb-1000, the difference is obvious especially in movies.
For example the Prometheus movie, in the start, when the spaceship hovers above, (it needs to be run too hot to see the difference, as much as +10db), the pb-1000 would max-out without really shaking the room. After a certain point of trying to turn up sub volume even more, you could see/hear that there was nothing more it could give to you. It was already maxed out.
You could of course listen to new things with pb-1000 -not hearable with ordinary speakers- you could feel a slight rambling, but not to the point you could say it is enough. Something was just missing, just before when you were about to reach climax... you wouldnt. Almost TOO close. Perhaps in a smaller room, or a different position, or lower listening volumes would reach absolute climax. But not my case.
With pb-2000 it just didnt couldn't be maxed out. As i said i did a +10 adj just for testing the sub (gonna leave it in +3 after i play a while), and i just felt no need to test it further. I was not maxed-out, plenty of headroom left, and i felt that it was more than enough, deep and loud, and i got the feeling that i was after. It was the "one".


If you are a movie guy, and not in a very small room (like a 14sq meters), i strongly suggest going for the PB-2000 instead . However notice that it is also substantially larger from pb-1000, the grill ads 5cm in front of it. I like it thought.

Any other questions, if i can answer, free to ask.
Congratulations on your new PB2000! The part about not being able to quite reach climax before sounds disappointing.

Let me answer two questions in one post. First, most people do add a sub boost, post-calibration. How much they add depends a lot on the master volume level. For Audyssey users, with DEQ (which has its own bass boost) engaged, the average boost is about +3 to +6. Without DEQ, most people would add an even larger sub boost.

But, how you add the boost, is important in order to keep your sub from distorting in the process. And, it doesn't sound as if you are adding the boost with the sub gain. It sounds as if you are just adding it with the AVR trim, which is not the best way to do it. Please read the lengthy post in my signature: "Subwoofer Trim and Audyssey EQ". The information on gain/trim protocols applies equally well to any system of automated, or manual calibration. If you have YPAO, or some other automated system, just pay attention to what your minimum trim level settings are, when you apply the advice in the post.

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Hi,

A 14 gauge power cord is a good standard to use. If I were you, I would just buy a longer replacement power cord, if they come in the specific length you need, rather than connecting the existing power cord to an extension cord. This is a power cord that I am using for a PB16. Prior to that, it powered a PB13 in the same spot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Regards,
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Excellent idea, thank you!
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hey thanx for you input. im familiar with how to add boost, i've spend hours reading through all these forums. i am just, reducing the trim levels of audyssey settings. instead of -10, i go to -6 for example.
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hey thanx for you input. im familiar with how to add boost, i've spend hours reading through all these forums. i am just, reducing the trim levels of audyssey settings. instead of -10, i go to -6 for example.
You are very welcome! Since you do have Audyssey, you still might find that post an interesting read.
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SB-2000: Thumbs up

For anybody looking for a sub that does excellent double duty for music and movies,
I would strongly recommend the SVS SB-2000. I'm a music first, movies second kind-of-guy. I'm really pleased with the performance of the SB-2000 in both settings. Clean, deep and fast with music. Plenty of fun for the movies- I don't need for the low frequencies to shake the house or knock me off my chair. I was worried the SB-2000 might excel on music, but leave me wanting more for movies. At least to my ears, not the case!
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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

See this thread:

Do you run your sub "hot"???

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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

For me about a 6db boost is the sweet spot, however that is going to depend on a lot of factors that are going to be specific to you. Room acoustics, the capability of the subs, and personal preference are all going to come into play.

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I run mine a few db hot also. I was a kid in the 90's when everyones car went BOOM BOOM! You just never outgrow that.

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Got the new amp in Saturday and everything is working as it should. No volume drop outs when adjusting. I noticed the gain is much higher too. Before i had to set it to the 2 o' clock position to get 78db, now it's around 11 to 12.

I think it's an understatement when i say i'm glad all this is finally done.

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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

I like to run my subs a little hot. Running Dirac allows me to save different house curves and switch on the fly. I currently have two curves, 1 for movies which is 4db hot, 1 for music that is 6db hot. This works best for me in my room.

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Wanted to add that SVS has been great trough this whole 2 weeks (wow). Was very frustraded in the beginning and they amply helped to solve my issues. CS is one the best i've experienced.

Thanks again, Ed, for the SoundPaths.
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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

I run my 3 Ultras +10 db... nothing less. Its only after I added a 3rd ultra I feel im really pressurizing my room like I can in my car..
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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

I run my SB13 Ultra 3dbs hot for music and 6dbs hot for movies.

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I would just contact SVS. They should be able to provide you with any information you need, and may even have a replacement part that will fit your sub.

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I tried and they said to just contact an electronics repair service here in Houston. They didn't have one to recommend, nor did they have any information regarding the type of switch. I'd happily take it to a service place, but I have the feeling that I could do it provided I knew the correct part. Is there a place that has this information that you might know about? Thanks for the reply.
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I tried and they said to just contact an electronics repair service here in Houston. They didn't have one to recommend, nor did they have any information regarding the type of switch. I'd happily take it to a service place, but I have the feeling that I could do it provided I knew the correct part. Is there a place that has this information that you might know about? Thanks for the reply.
No, I don't know where else to inquire. I will say, though, that the advice you can get on the phone sometimes depends on who you are talking to there. If I were you, I would take a photo of that switch and attach it in an email to Ed Mullen directly. I would be surprised if someone in their engineering department couldn't help.

On second thought, another source you could try is Tom Vodhanel, of PSA Speakers. He was one of the founders of SVS, and I have seen him help people with questions on some of the older SVS subs, before. Tom is a nice guy.

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No, I don't know where else to inquire. I will say, though, that the advice you can get on the phone sometimes depends on who you are talking to there. If I were you, I would take a photo of that switch and attach it in an email to Ed Mullen directly. I would be surprised if someone in their engineering department couldn't help.

On second thought, another source you could try is Tom Vodhanel, of PSA Speakers. He was one of the founders of SVS, and I have seen him help people with questions on some of the older SVS subs, before. Tom is a nice guy.

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Once a power switch breaks, it can't easily be repaired and should be replaced. Sourcing a switch isn't too hard - there are a few on Parts Express which would work.

But actually replacing the power switch on the older BASH amps is fairly involved surgery. The switch is glued to the plate and the switch and all of the AC connections are covered in black liquid RTV. The AC wires need to be cut, the switch needs to be hogged out of the plate, the AC wires need to be spliced back into the new switch along with fresh spades, and then adhesive and RTV needs to be re-applied to seal off the plate and secure the switch.

Unless the owner is experienced and qualified to perform this type of electrical work, it's best to take the amp to an electronics repair facility and have the switch replaced by a professional. That way you'll have peace of mind and know it's done right.

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Once a power switch breaks, it can't easily be repaired and should be replaced. Sourcing a switch isn't too hard - there are a few on Parts Express which would work.

But actually replacing the power switch on the older BASH amps is fairly involved surgery. The switch is glued to the plate and the switch and all of the AC connections are covered in black liquid RTV. The AC wires need to be cut, the switch needs to be hogged out of the plate, the AC wires need to be spliced back into the new switch along with fresh spades, and then adhesive and RTV needs to be re-applied to seal off the plate and secure the switch.

Unless the owner is experienced and qualified to perform this type of electrical work, it's best to take the amp to an electronics repair facility and have the switch replaced by a professional. That way you'll have peace of mind and know it's done right.

Thanks, Ed! That certainly doesn't sound like something I would want to try, particularly considering my track record with amp replacement.

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I've decided to go with the "downsizing" strategy and just ordered the SB16. I'm still within my return window for the PB-2000 so that will likely be going back assuming the SB16 performs like I think it will. Based on everything I've read, it sounds like I won't be losing too much if any low end making the switch. I'll post up some first impressions once I get everything set up.
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I've decided to go with the "downsizing" strategy and just ordered the SB16. I'm still within my return window for the PB-2000 so that will likely be going back assuming the SB16 performs like I think it will. Based on everything I've read, it sounds like I won't be losing too much if any low end making the switch. I'll post up some first impressions once I get everything set up.
I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised at what the SB16 is going to do. Of every sub SVS has designed, the SB13 and SB16 are my personal favourites!
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Do I need a new sub?

I have a Bic America F-12 and it serves its purpose. I kinda want a new one to go with my new PSB X2 series and I like either the PB 1000 or 2000. Question is am I taking a big enough step up to justify the $500/ $800?

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I've decided to go with the "downsizing" strategy and just ordered the SB16. I'm still within my return window for the PB-2000 so that will likely be going back assuming the SB16 performs like I think it will. Based on everything I've read, it sounds like I won't be losing too much if any low end making the switch. I'll post up some first impressions once I get everything set up.
I look forward to your thoughts on the SB16. I am trying to decide whether I should run 2 x PB2000's or 1 x SB16. By the looks of the specs, the SB appears to reach pretty low for a sealed.
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I have a Bic America F-12 and it serves its purpose. I kinda want a new one to go with my new PSB X2 series and I like either the PB 1000 or 2000. Question is am I taking a big enough step up to justify the $500/ $800?
Absolutely!! I replaced Dual BIC F12's with Dual SB12NSD's and those were much better but it wasn't long before I jumped to the Dual PC-2000's. I can go as far to say just one of my PC-2000's would be better than the 2 F12's so going to 1 PB-2000 should be a pretty big upgrade for you. Even the PB-1000 would be an upgrade. IMHO either are worth the extra money easily.

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Is there any Poll, regarding how "HOT" people run their subs after Audyssey-YPAO ?

For example, in calibrated range (up to +1,5db)
Just a tad (up to 3-4db)
O decent boost (up to 6-7db)
Never satisfied (even more)?

Just to see how weird i am.
I've seen numerous posts with people tuning subwoofers up, even +10db, but it would be nice if we could make a proper statistic out of it.

I run maybe 5 dB hot, though on movies that I know have a lot of LFE and the kids aren't asleep I've been known to bump the sub gain 2 clicks :-)

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Question, I'm ordering a 2nd PC13 Ultra after have one for many years. Time to go dual for the first time! Anything I should know? I've been using my existing sub without using any of the foam plugs, but I'm wondering if there is any advantage to using 1 sub with no plugs and 1 sub with some plugs to get different types of base out of each one. Is there any science to using dual PC13's or should I just experiment to see what I like.

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