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Thanks a lot Ed, I remember you being very helpful when I bought my sub (used!), and I was very grateful. I imagine that it would make sense to use the feet on both my subs and not just one. Could I use them on just the one?
Normally we recommend all subs in the system use them - but you could certainly just use them on one.

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I am waiting for this months SS check (3rd Wed every month) so not in that big of a hurry ... but ....Thanks we have been a Amazon Prime customer for years. I have their TV converter in the spare bedroom. I like their service but Parts Express is 24 dollars less, I can wait a extra 2/3 days. But for $75.00 direct for overseas NOT....... done that before on 2 PS3 controllers, 3 weeks. One was defected and waited 7/8 weeks more to end up with a replacement after waiting on shipping both ways.
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Does any of the SB13 or PB13 owner here uses line out from you sub?? If so, can you share if you notice increased static noise from your speakers compare to hookup w/o sub?

I am battling a really high noise floor that is passed onto my amp and speakers from the line out jacks of my SB13U

Already swapped amp once but the same issue persist and SVS is asking me to not use the line out jacks and run my speakers full range which I find hard to accept

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pulled the trigger on a 2nd PB16-ultra today! Never ran dual subs but after experimenting with my pb12-nsd I couldn't resist!
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Does any of the SB13 or PB13 owner here uses line out from you sub?? If so, can you share if you notice increased static noise from your speakers compare to hookup w/o sub?

I am battling a really high noise floor that is passed onto my amp and speakers from the line out jacks of my SB13U

Already swapped amp once but the same issue persist and SVS is asking me to not use the line out jacks and run my speakers full range which I find hard to accept
Set the HPF on the sub. Speakers shouldn't be full range.

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Set the HPF on the sub. Speakers shouldn't be full range.
That's what I want to do, preamp to line in on sb13u then line out on sb13u to power amp and set both lpf and hpf on the sub

However, the high noise from the line out jack make it unusable and SVS want me to run a y-splitter from my preamp to sb13u and preamp to power amp thus defeat the purpose of build in hpf...

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That's what I want to do, preamp to line in on sb13u then line out on sb13u to power amp and set both lpf and hpf on the sub

However, the high noise from the line out jack make it unusable and SVS want me to run a y-splitter from my preamp to sb13u and preamp to power amp thus defeat the purpose of build in hpf...
Doesn't your preamp have EQ capabilities?

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Doesn't your preamp have EQ capabilities?
I am not using P5, changed to tube preamp, so all the bass management will have to be done on the sub..

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I did something probably sacrilegious but it sounds pretty darn good. Had 2 spare 12" Dayton Ultimax's and picked up a non powered SVS 20-39. Installed the Ultimax and it is quite the upgrade from the original driver
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Anyone here "step up" from a 13 to a 16 ultra using SVS upgrade path?

Thinking of doing it since they will give me a credit for the amount of my 13ultra (less than a year old)

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Anyone here "step up" from a 13 to a 16 ultra using SVS upgrade path?

Thinking of doing it since they will give me a credit for the amount of my 13ultra (less than a year old)
Hi,

A number of people, including myself, have done that. The PB16 is a very good sub, with some nice features. From the standpoint of output, the real gain is from about 35Hz down, where the PB16 enjoys about a 4db increase in SPL, over the PB13. That seems like a relatively modest increase, but to put it in context, it is equivalent to about an 80% increase in perceived volume. Of course, how much of that additional output you will actually use depends on the individual, but most people do perceive the PB16 as sounding comparatively lower, and slightly more authoritative than the PB13. There are several reviews available, as well, including a recent one linked below.

Review: SVS Sound 16" PB16-Ultra Ported 1500W Subwoofer

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Hi Guys-

Newbie here... I'm undecided between an SB-1000 or an SB-2000. I would like for this sub to go along with two Polk S-20 bookshelf speakers and one Polk S-35 center channel speaker. My use will be mixed between movies/tv/music/gaming. I've read wonderful reviews on both of them. Therefore, my question- is it worth spending the extra $ and getting the more powerful SB-2000 or should I save myself the $ and go with the SB-1000? My two main speakers are bookshelf speakers so will the SB-2000 be overkill and takeaway from the mids/highs of the bookshelf? Or will I not notice any big difference between the two given the size of my room? My room is a living room about 11x22 feet in size and the main listening/viewing couch about 9 feet away.

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Hi Guys-

Newbie here... I'm undecided between an SB-1000 or an SB-2000. I would like for this sub to go along with two Polk S-20 bookshelf speakers and one Polk S-35 center channel speaker. My use will be mixed between movies/tv/music/gaming. I've read wonderful reviews on both of them. Therefore, my question- is it worth spending the extra $ and getting the more powerful SB-2000 or should I save myself the $ and go with the SB-1000? My two main speakers are bookshelf speakers so will the SB-2000 be overkill and takeaway from the mids/highs of the bookshelf? Or will I not notice any big difference between the two given the size of my room? My room is a living room about 11x22 feet in size and the main listening/viewing couch about 9 feet away.

Any help is appreciated.

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In my opinion, the SB2000 will definitely not be overkill for your room. Nor will it detract from the bookshelf speakers, as you will be able to control its volume, and the amount of bass that it contributes to your system, at any given time. The chief advantage of the SB2000, over the 1000 will be the in low frequency extension, which I think that you will enjoy for movies, TV, and gaming, especially. The SB2000 will go about 5Hz lower than the SB1000, and for movies, that is a real plus. For the difference of only about $200, I think you would find it well worth the extra cost.

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Hi,

In my opinion, the SB2000 will definitely not be overkill for your room. Nor will it detract from the bookshelf speakers, as you will be able to control its volume, and the amount of bass that it contributes to your system, at any given time. The chief advantage of the SB2000, over the 1000 will be the in low frequency extension, which I think that you will enjoy for movies, TV, and gaming, especially. The SB2000 will go about 5Hz lower than the SB1000, and for movies, that is a real plus. For the difference of only about $200, I think you would find it well worth the extra cost.

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Thanks for your reply! My main worry was that the 2000 would have been overkill to go along with a pair of bookshelf speakers, but you do bring up a good point that it can go beyond the 1000 on the low frequencies.
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Newbie here... I'm undecided between an SB-1000 or an SB-2000. I would like for this sub to go along with two Polk S-20 bookshelf speakers and one Polk S-35 center channel speaker. My use will be mixed between movies/tv/music/gaming. I've read wonderful reviews on both of them. Therefore, my question- is it worth spending the extra $ and getting the more powerful SB-2000 or should I save myself the $ and go with the SB-1000? My two main speakers are bookshelf speakers so will the SB-2000 be overkill and takeaway from the mids/highs of the bookshelf? Or will I not notice any big difference between the two given the size of my room? My room is a living room about 11x22 feet in size and the main listening/viewing couch about 9 feet away.

Any help is appreciated.

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Or even better, buy a pair of them for $100 more than an SB2000, and really come out ahead.
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Hi,

A number of people, including myself, have done that. The PB16 is a very good sub, with some nice features. From the standpoint of output, the real gain is from about 35Hz down, where the PB16 enjoys about a 4db increase in SPL, over the PB13. That seems like a relatively modest increase, but to put it in context, it is equivalent to about an 80% increase in perceived volume. Of course, how much of that additional output you will actually use depends on the individual, but most people do perceive the PB16 as sounding comparatively lower, and slightly more authoritative than the PB13. There are several reviews available, as well, including a recent one linked below.

Review: SVS Sound 16" PB16-Ultra Ported 1500W Subwoofer

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I currently have the SB13-Ultra. Still on the fence about spending the extra $500 for the PB16 vs the SB16.

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I currently have the SB13-Ultra. Still on the fence about spending the extra $500 for the PB16 vs the SB16.
That makes a difference. I would say then that it depends entirely on what you are looking for. For a primarily music application, I don't think you would realize much benefit from going to a PB16, instead of an SB16. For 5.1 movies, the SB16 would have a slight output advantage, from about 50Hz up, compared to the PB16, while the PB16 would have an absolutely enormous advantage in the low frequencies, particularly below about 40Hz. Whether you would really appreciate the low bass of a PB16 is partly a matter of room size and listening distance, and partly a matter of how much bass you like.

But, you can compare the output of an SB13, to the output of a PB13 (in the 15Hz mode) to get an idea of the difference in low bass capabilities, using the table on Data-Bass. The two 16 Ultras would have essentially the same frequency response, as their predecessors, above about 35Hz. From about 35Hz down, you would just add about 4db to both 13 Ultras, to compare the two 16 Ultras.

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Thanks for your reply! My main worry was that the 2000 would have been overkill to go along with a pair of bookshelf speakers, but you do bring up a good point that it can go beyond the 1000 on the low frequencies.
I was in a similar situation, trying to choose between dual SB1000 and dual SB2000 for a 2700 cuft sealed room to upgrade my Take Classic system. I'm talking satellites with tiny 3" drivers! Your bookshelf speakers probably dwarf these sats. I went with the SB2000's mainly for the better LF extension. Besides being more powerful, the 2000's are a more modern design with a gentler rolloff at the bottom (better than SB13U too) so you can really take advantage of room gain. Your room is smaller than mine, so unless it's open to other rooms, you should get decent response down to 5 Hz or so (not loud down low of course, but maybe 90-95 dB which is enough to feel some of that rumble the 1000 would totally miss). Downsides are the slightly larger enclosure, extra cost (though I got mine from the Memorial day outlet sale for $600 each piano black) and a front grill that many feel is unsightly. I'm not an audioholic, but it sounds fine to me blending with the sats and REW plots look good too.
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Or even better, buy a pair of them for $100 more than an SB2000, and really come out ahead.
It's what I did, and I enjoy them tremendously. Could on rare occasions use a little headroom, but that's what happens when you can't afford the bigger stuff.
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Anyone here "step up" from a 13 to a 16 ultra using SVS upgrade path?



Thinking of doing it since they will give me a credit for the amount of my 13ultra (less than a year old)


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pulled the trigger on a 2nd PB16-ultra today! Never ran dual subs but after experimenting with my pb12-nsd I couldn't resist!


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Probably stupid question, but going to ask anyway.

I have 2 SB-NSD. I am hitting the limiter on a semi regular basis. Will buying two more, and stacking them 2x2 bring any appreciable SPL improvement. I'm fine with the sound, just like a few more db. I can't afford the proper upgrade path of 2 S1's or 2 SB16 Ultras.

Although, buying on SB16 ultra, and stacking the NSD's with my two older Velodynes. sounds interesting if goofy looking.

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I have 2 SB-NSD. I am hitting the limiter on a semi regular basis. Will buying two more, and stacking them 2x2 bring any appreciable SPL improvement. I'm fine with the sound, just like a few more db. I can't afford the proper upgrade path of 2 S1's or 2 SB16 Ultras.

Although, buying on SB16 ultra, and stacking the NSD's with my two older Velodynes. sounds interesting if goofy looking.
Hi,

I don't think it's a stupid question, or a stupid idea at all. Adding dual SB12's to the ones you have would net you about 6db at frequencies below about 30Hz, and between about 3db and 6db throughout the passband. And, if you stacked them, in two pairs, they would net 6db more output at all frequencies. That's one approach.

A second approach would be to stack your existing SB12's, and add an SB13 Ultra. You could also try an SB16, but I think that the 13 might be a little better match. I do think that either could work with collocated SB12's, though. What I wouldn't do is to try all of that with your Velodynes in the mix. I think that the frequency response of those subs would be sufficiently different to potentially cause you problems, without some ability to measure, and to adjust the frequency response. So, I would leave the Velodynes out.

FWIW, unless you were planning to spread the subs out around a large room, I would favor adding a more powerful sub, if you can afford it. That would give you a little lower frequency response, and would move you further down the road to a dual Ultra system, at some point in the future.

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