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Right - the SB-2000 has on average 3-3.5 dB higher max output across the entire pass band (so call it 1.5X stronger on average). The 2000 driver is more robust (even though they look similar) with respect to power handling, and the Sledge 500 has considerably more real world power than the 100W difference in power ratings would otherwise suggest.
Thanks, Ed! Does the same thing hold true for the difference between the PB12 (or PC) NSD and the newer ported 2000 models? This kind of question comes up fairly frequently on various threads, and I had it wrong.

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Thanks, Ed! Does the same thing hold true for the difference between the PB12 (or PC) NSD and the newer ported 2000 models? This kind of question comes up fairly frequently on various threads, and I had it wrong.

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They are close at 16/20 Hz (mostly port and box size), and above that (25-80 Hz) the PB/PC-2000 has about +3 dB over the NSD.
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They are close at 16/20 Hz (mostly port and box size), and above that (25-80 Hz) the PB/PC-2000 has about +3 dB over the NSD.
Thank you again!
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The SB12-NSD isn't quite the bargain it was just 3 days ago. Apparently Huppins/Onecall realized they are the only internet seller that still has them in stock, and brought the price up $50. I would suspect that means they are low stock, and selling reasonably well, probably partially due to all the recommendations on AVS.

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Thanks, Ed! Does the same thing hold true for the difference between the PB12 (or PC) NSD and the newer ported 2000 models? This kind of question comes up fairly frequently on various threads, and I had it wrong.
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They are close at 16/20 Hz (mostly port and box size), and above that (25-80 Hz) the PB/PC-2000 has about +3 dB over the NSD.
Just wanted to jump in with a brief subjective PB 2000 comment...

We periodically encounter posts requesting comparisons/opinions between various ID subs within the PB-2000's value range. Databass, test report, and various anecdotal GTG information will surface supporting the prowess of one sub over the other. Although the numbers do tell a story, they do not tell how a sub sounds. And most of us understand that a room's physical and acoustic properties, sub location(s), and proper set up all influence a sub's performance. Having said this and as a previous owner of dual PB-2000's, I still hold them in high regard relative to FR and in particular sound signature and sound quality in medium sized and even some large rooms for both movies and music. To put this in perspective, I've auditioned in my home comparable and larger products from PSA and JTR. Also, as you're both aware, I've recently owned PB-13 Ultras and currently own the PB-16's. Some subs may/will outperform the PB-2000's in terms of output. However, IMO few have better sound quality. YMMV
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They are close at 16/20 Hz (mostly port and box size), and above that (25-80 Hz) the PB/PC-2000 has about +3 dB over the NSD.
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When you get a chance, would you please explain the Room Gain Compensation feature of the PB16? The Owner's Manual doesn't provide much information on what it actually does, or how to employ it. Does it boost the selected frequency by some fixed amount, or does it cut the selected frequency? It sounds more like attenuation to me, but I don't remember seeing an explanation of it. I am also not clear on what the RGC slope of 6db or 12db does in this context.

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Thanks, Ed! Does the same thing hold true for the difference between the PB12 (or PC) NSD and the newer ported 2000 models? This kind of question comes up fairly frequently on various threads, and I had it wrong.

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Not meaning to step on Ed's toes but thought I'd throw my 2c in as I had one of each (PB12-NSD & PB-2000) and ran them together for several months. Whilst the PB-2000 definitely had a bit more impact in the mid-bass range , I noticed the difference waaaayyy more down low. In my room the NSD had very little output under 17-18hz. The PB-2000 on the other hand still has noticeable output around the 15hz range . The Edge of Tomorrow intro would show this off very easily, with the NSD only playing the first 3 tones (30,25,20) and only some minimal cone movement on the 15hz tone. The PB-2000 shakes the house on the 15hz tone. The WWZ hand grenade scene is another where the NSD would drop off about half way through the sweep, whereas the PB-2000 does this scene very well.

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