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Going to be adding a second pc12+. Asthetically a white power cord would work better. The current pc12+ appears to have a pretty standard 18awg 3 prong power cord. Any concerns just buying a white 18awg power cord off amazon. Any other specifications I need to be concerned about?
I would double check the thickness of the power cord. 18AWG sounds too thin to me. for that sub.

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I would double check the thickness of the power cord. 18AWG sounds too thin to me. for that sub.
That's definitely what the cord has printed on it.

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That's definitely what the cord has printed on it.
Then any 18AWG white cord will do.

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Got SB13U #2 connected and set up earlier this afternoon.....

Much improved over just one sub! Didn't do anything in much depth, just level calibrated and re-ran ARC on my Anthem pre-pro. I've got such a bad room with super-limited placement options, I just didn't know how the space would handle a second sub. Although it's not perfect, it has really made a difference in, what I at least PERCEIVE as a smoother overall response (maybe better integration is more correct?) - the entire system just seems to blend much better now - whereas before it was possible, depending on what was going on, to localize the 1st sub when it was all by itself.

Before, bass sounded better at the left and right seating positions of a 3-person couch. NOW it sounds best at the MLP, but still sounds good at the other two positions, more even, not quite as much ooommpphh as the center position on the couch. But it actually sounds THE BEST standing behind the couch. HA, go figure.

I had to park the subs on either side of the room, and they are not equidistant, so I just averaged the distances for the distance setting in the pre-pro. Don't know if I should attempt to mess around with phase settings, or anything else for that matter. It sounds good, I'm sure it could sound better. The only thing I can do though is mess with the more technical features of the subs - placement is a non-factor - they have to be where they are (and it is not optimal, I know that, but I've got no choice in current situation) so trying to improve things with better placement is off the table. Got a nice-sized dip around 50HZ, which is bigger with the two together compared to just running one or the other, so they both suffer from this. Gotta be a placement thing!

Even so, quite pleased with the preliminary results. Anybody out there wondering if they should try a second sub, DO IT.

Any advice on possible ways to improve, gladly accepted!
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Going to be adding a second pc12+. Asthetically a white power cord would work better. The current pc12+ appears to have a pretty standard 18awg 3 prong power cord. Any concerns just buying a white 18awg power cord off amazon. Any other specifications I need to be concerned about?
I have 2 PC12+ that I just picked up a couple days ago. Still only running one (in place of an old Klipsch I had been using), but should have the second one running in a few days.

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I have 2 PC12+ that I just picked up a couple days ago. Still only running one (in place of an old Klipsch I had been using), but should have the second one running in a few days.

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Nice. Can't wait to get duals running. My wife gave me the go ahead to put another in our living room. Used the "I have an idea for Father's Day" tactic. Just waiting to talk to SVS about getting the dual sub and return customer discount. Just ordered a Denon x4300 to go with it and get better Audyssey and independent sub outs. Wil make it easier to run my second pc12+ wireless. Next plan to add Atmos speakers. Then eventually when oled prices come down get a new tv. So the long term plan is starting to come together. Yay. Just under a year ago I was using mostly HTIB speakers and the dinky 8" sub it came with that did nothing.
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I'm wondering if "very large" center channel speakers even exist? Other than using a tower as your center (I've heard of a setup in the Energy forum where someone used 5 RC70's for their 5.1 setup). If you're shopping for a more typical center channel speaker, they will likely only be "large" and below (with 5 1/4" or maybe 6" woofers). I'm not sure why you'd want to go below 80 Hz on a center channel anyway - not much low frequency content on that channel that would need localizing.
I posted this question out of curiosity because that article can be misleading to someone. Btw, I am not looking for a center; it was just my curiosity kicking in when I read that article.
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I know a couple of people who use Klipsch La Scala's with 15" woofers as a center.
I highly doubt that article is geared toward something like that and is referring to your typical center channel speakers.

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I stick to the usual center channel. Most speaker lineups have 2 or 3 center channels. A good center will never give you any issues. I've never had any complaints to think about using a tower as my center.
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Nice. Can't wait to get duals running. My wife gave me the go ahead to put another in our living room. Used the "I have an idea for Father's Day" tactic. Just waiting to talk to SVS about getting the dual sub and return customer discount. Just ordered a Denon x4300 to go with it and get better Audyssey and independent sub outs. Wil make it easier to run my second pc12+ wireless. Next plan to add Atmos speakers. Then eventually when oled prices come down get a new tv. So the long term plan is starting to come together. Yay. Just under a year ago I was using mostly HTIB speakers and the dinky 8" sub it came with that did nothing.
Sounds like we have somewhat similar plans. I ran out of equipment space and a vertical rack won't mesh in my room, so my new, under-TV stand with more shelf space arrived yesterday and I got it mostly assembled. Tonight when I get home from work it'll be time to remove everything, put the new stand in it's place, and fill it back up; including the new power conditioner that the 2nd sub will run on So I should have my dual PC12'+'s running maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow.

I'll run it for about 2 weeks once I have the dual subs going, to get used to it. Then I'll install the Prime Elevations I'm using for Atmos, feeding off a used Rotel RMB-1075 I purchased.

I plan to (finally) purchase a 4K TV at about this time next year. TV tech is still moving too fast, I think another year will see all the features I want, and at the price I want

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Why not ask SVS? I know they will probably try to push an SVS amp on you. But, they might help you out.
We don't carry chassis amps, so we don't recommend using our Sledge plate amps for passive legacy SVS subwoofers.

I'll typically recommend Crown or QSC for a passive CS subwoofer. Adding a miniDSP 2x4 with the Advanced plug-in software module will allow the user to enable PEQs and high/low pass filters to improve the frequency response and help protect the woofer below tuning.
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Please help one of the original SVS customers. I used to own serial number 1 of the SVS 20-35CS sub line. I sold that sub and bought a pair of the 20-39 CS plus subs in 2002.

I am looking for a new amp to drive one of my 20-39 CS plus subs. The owners manual states 350 watt continuous and 600 watts peak. What do folks think about an Outlaw amp rated at 300 watts continuous? https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

Does the Outlaw look good or other suggestions for an amp with balanced inputs and preferably auto signal sensing power?
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A recent rearrangement of my living room has forced me to move my pc2000 from a "nice and warm" corner to the only spot left, separated from the rest of the front stage by a false wall.

Would a front firing sub be better for that position?

The photo is taken from the MLP which is at the bottom right corner of an L shaped couch at about 10 feet from the subwoofer




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SVS has started their Memorial Day outlet sale. Something I've noticed is that they "raised" some of their prices before lowering them. I guess that makes the deal seem better. For example, an undamaged SB13-Ultra has been marked down from 1599 to 1299. That sub has been listed at 1499 for months.
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SVS has started their Memorial Day outlet sale. Something I've noticed is that they "raised" some of their prices before lowering them. I guess that makes the deal seem better. For example, an undamaged SB13-Ultra has been marked down from 1599 to 1299. That sub has been listed at 1499 for months.
Are you leaning towards the 13's now versus the 16's?

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Has anyone went from a SVS SB12-NSB to a SB-2000? Was it worth the upgrade? Loving the SB12-NSB so far but curious to know if SB-2000 is worth the upgrade.
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Are you leaning towards the 13's now versus the 16's?

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I'm still leaning towards a couple of SB16s, but I'm also looking at the JTR S1. The JTR might be overkill for me and it seems they're quite a bit more expensive in comparison to a comparably finished SB16.
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A recent rearrangement of my living room has forced me to move my pc2000 from a "nice and warm" corner to the only spot left, separated from the rest of the front stage by a false wall.

Would a front firing sub be better for that position?

The photo is taken from the MLP which is at the bottom right corner of an L shaped couch at about 10 feet from the subwoofer




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Bummer you had to move the sub. How does it sound now vs how it use to be??? If it still shakes you during Blurays be thankful. My room is small but odd shaped behind me so I can only place my SVS sub in one place too. Great Klipsch HT speakers too.

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Hey guys,

Need some help with the power cord for my Ultra. I had to move it to the front of the sound stage as my PC12 is staying behind my couch. This balances the bass better. But I'm in need of a longer power cord.

Does any generic power cord do or do I have to be careful with the type of cord being used? Any recommendations? Not looking to spend $200 on audiophile power cords (ahem, snakeoil)

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Need some help with the power cord for my Ultra. I had to move it to the front of the sound stage as my PC12 is staying behind my couch. This balances the bass better. But I'm in need of a longer power cord.

Does any generic power cord do or do I have to be careful with the type of cord being sue? Any recommendations? Not looking to spend $200 on audiophile power cords (ahem, snakeoil)
Just make sure it is of the same AWG.
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Can't tell from the cable. I'm assuming it's 18awg?
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SVS has started their Memorial Day outlet sale. Something I've noticed is that they "raised" some of their prices before lowering them. I guess that makes the deal seem better. For example, an undamaged SB13-Ultra has been marked down from 1599 to 1299. That sub has been listed at 1499 for months.
Good catch (haha!). Not many people notice these sort of things. Reminds me of those going out of business sales.

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Bummer you had to move the sub. How does it sound now vs how it use to be??? If it still shakes you during Blurays be thankful. My room is small but odd shaped behind me so I can only place my SVS sub in one place too. Great Klipsch HT speakers too.


Thanks! I haven't got the time to rerun YPAO and recalibrate everything yet but I'm pretty sure that it won't sound the same.


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Has anyone went from a SVS SB12-NSB to a SB-2000? Was it worth the upgrade? Loving the SB12-NSB so far but curious to know if SB-2000 is worth the upgrade.
If I remember correctly, Ed Mullen said it has about 3 db on the SB12 in the upper bass, and not much in the lower bass. In other words, probably an incremental improvement not worth the money. For a noticeable improvement, you might want to look at an outlet SB13-Ultra, or, you could try the PB-2000, and send it back if you don't like it.

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Can't tell from the cable. I'm assuming it's 18awg?
It's 18AWG. I ordered mine from Monoprice.com.

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Has anyone went from a SVS SB12-NSB to a SB-2000? Was it worth the upgrade? Loving the SB12-NSB so far but curious to know if SB-2000 is worth the upgrade.
Not much of an upgrade, at least not worth the price. It's about 1.5db more output below 25hz and up to 3db above that. The SB2000 does have a different tuning below 20hz though, as it has a more linear and gradual roll-off than the SB12 NSD. So in a small-medium"ish" sized room, the SB2000 can benefit more from room gain.

Even Sonnie from HTS got dual SB2000s down to 10hz with fair amount of output - http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...flat-10hz.html

But no, it's not a direct upgrade. Your actual upgrade path is the SB13Ultra instead if you want to stick with sealed subs.
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SVS has started their Memorial Day outlet sale. Something I've noticed is that they "raised" some of their prices before lowering them. I guess that makes the deal seem better. For example, an undamaged SB13-Ultra has been marked down from 1599 to 1299. That sub has been listed at 1499 for months.
$1599 is retail price, the $1499 was the normal outlet price - now it is $1299, so another $200 dollars off the regular outlet price.

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I know people like sales to get things cheaper. Don't blame you. I don't mind that either. But, how many times have people sat on something, only to get it sold from under them? With a company like SVS, I would set my sights on something. If it moved, ZAP! It's ordered and Out for Delivery (Don't we just love those two words!).

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