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Ok guys,
trying to level match my PC13 ultra and my PC12 nsd. One is a 1000w sledge, the other is a 400w sledge. Ultra has the DSP knob, and the NSD has the rotary volume knob.

Since the Ultra maxes at 0 db, is that roughly equivalent to max volume on the NSD? Because it seem the NSD is louder on 1/2 volume than my ultra at -9 and AVR set to -5 for subs.

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Ok guys,
trying to level match my PC13 ultra and my PC12 nsd. One is a 1000w sledge, the other is a 400w sledge. Ultra has the DSP knob, and the NSD has the rotary volume knob.

Since the Ultra maxes at 0 db, is that roughly equivalent to max volume on the NSD? Because it seem the NSD is louder on 1/2 volume than my ultra at -9 and AVR set to -5 for subs.
Breakout an SPL meter to level match the subs. Best bet is to put the Ultra up front and the NSD near your MLP. It's perceived louder due to room gain.

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Ok guys,
trying to level match my PC13 ultra and my PC12 nsd. One is a 1000w sledge, the other is a 400w sledge. Ultra has the DSP knob, and the NSD has the rotary volume knob.

Since the Ultra maxes at 0 db, is that roughly equivalent to max volume on the NSD? Because it seem the NSD is louder on 1/2 volume than my ultra at -9 and AVR set to -5 for subs.
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Breakout an SPL meter to level match the subs. Best bet is to put the Ultra up front and the NSD near your MLP. It's perceived louder due to room gain.
Also make sure that your Input Level toggle switch on the Ultra is set to Normal and not Hi Level. There is a difference of -6db on the volume/output when it's set to Hi level as opposed to normal. Mine was accidentally bumped to Hi Level, likely from moving it around and I couldn't figure out why my PB12+ sounded so much lower than the new PC12+
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Ok guys,
trying to level match my PC13 ultra and my PC12 nsd. One is a 1000w sledge, the other is a 400w sledge. Ultra has the DSP knob, and the NSD has the rotary volume knob.

Since the Ultra maxes at 0 db, is that roughly equivalent to max volume on the NSD? Because it seem the NSD is louder on 1/2 volume than my ultra at -9 and AVR set to -5 for subs.
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Breakout an SPL meter to level match the subs. Best bet is to put the Ultra up front and the NSD near your MLP. It's perceived louder due to room gain.
Also make sure that your Input Level toggle switch on the Ultra is set to Normal and not Hi Level. There is a difference of -6db on the volume/output when it's set to Hi level as opposed to normal. Mine was accidentally bumped to Hi Level, likely from moving it around and I couldn't figure out why my PB12+ sounded so much lower than the new PC12+
Are you kidding me? This was it. That tiny damn toggle switch right under the sub cable. I must have knocked it to high level position when I swapped the cable.

Really bad placement for that switch IMO.
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Are there an owners here that have or had the PC12-plus? I have a limited space to add a new sub and based on the footprint this will fit. My question is how does the cylindrical style sub sound compared to the boxed subs?

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Are there an owners here that have or had the PC12-plus? I have a limited space to add a new sub and based on the footprint this will fit. My question is how does the cylindrical style sub sound compared to the boxed subs?
I have a Plus and Ultra cylinder. I've been very happy with both. The differences between the box and cylinder version should be minimal.
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Me thinks there are no differences with the 2000 series boxes and water heaters.

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Are there an owners here that have or had the PC12-plus? I have a limited space to add a new sub and based on the footprint this will fit. My question is how does the cylindrical style sub sound compared to the boxed subs?
I can't compare same-model boxed vs cylinder. But I'm quite happy with PC12-Plus so far! Still running just a single, my 2nd one should be up and running within a week

Comparing a single PC12-Plus to my old Klipsch KSW-12, though.......the SVS just destroys it, in the same position and same Audyssey settings (haven't re-run Audyssey yet, waiting for my 2nd sub to be on-line).

Also, kinda have the wild idea of decorating my cylinder subs to look somewhat more like giant Amazon Echos Probably won't do it, but it's a fun idea.
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Thanks guys, I guess it's off to finding the best possible deal on a new sub. I wish I had the space for a box but it's just not gonna happen with my room layout.

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im so impressed with SVS customer service, especially Ed.

My PB13 amp died last week.. I emailed Ed the same day and next day Ed told me that he would ship me a new replacement amp.
Free shipping to China all included and may I just add that my PB13 is past the 5 year warranty but still he opted to send a free replacement to me.. really fantastic service !!!!
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im so impressed with SVS customer service, especially Ed.

My PB13 amp died last week.. I emailed Ed the same day and next day Ed told me that he would ship me a new replacement amp.
Free shipping to China all included and may I just add that my PB13 is past the 5 year warranty but still he opted to send a free replacement to me.. really fantastic service !!!!
Indeed! Other companies could really learn a lesson from SVS about how customer service should be.
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Are there an owners here that have or had the PC12-plus? I have a limited space to add a new sub and based on the footprint this will fit. My question is how does the cylindrical style sub sound compared to the boxed subs?
My bad. It's the Plus the is equal both box and cylinder.

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Are there an owners here that have or had the PC12-plus? I have a limited space to add a new sub and based on the footprint this will fit. My question is how does the cylindrical style sub sound compared to the boxed subs?
There are no significant differences. Box version of pc12+ and pc13 ultra have slightly more output due to slightly more volume but really nothing significant. 2000 series are almost identical with pc actually extending 1hz lower. I have 2 pc12+'s which are excellent and I really like the footprint and form factor. That along with SVS bill of rights is the main reason to get a cylinder. If looking at box subs value may not be as good compared to Hsu, PSA, JTR but there are no bad SVS subs.

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I believe that the cylinders are 1db lower across the board, but I could be wrong. Either way they are basically the same.

Always like to throw out that a little known advantage with the cylinders is that they can be laid on their sides. I've got a small theater and being able to lay my Ultra down is the reason I'm able to have dual subs.

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I know that there is an SPL difference between the two Ultras (the PB13 and the PC13) due to a difference in the enclosure volume. The PB13 cabinet is a little bigger than the PC13 cylinder, and that accounts for about a 1.5db advantage in SPL for the PB13. But, I believe that with the other box/cylinder models, the cabinet volume is the same, and the output is the same.

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I know that there is an SPL difference between the two Ultras (the PB13 and the PC13) due to a difference in the enclosure volume. The PB13 cabinet is a little bigger than the PC13 cylinder, and that accounts for about a 1.5db advantage in SPL for the PB13. But, I believe that with the other box/cylinder models, the cabinet volume is the same, and the output is the same.

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THUMBS UP TO SVS CUSTOMER SERVICE. Some of you know that I purchased a used 2007 PB 13 Ultra from a close friend several months ago and this PB 13 Ultra had some amp issues every two to three years and after I got it home the amp fried several weeks later. The last amp my friend purchased still has two year warranty so SVS sent me a new amp in 2 days and after I talked to ED and Jack they decided to send me a new driver FREE and sent me a empty box to ship the driver in with tools to remove driver. . Ed and Jack both thought something's not right with this monster of a driver for it too have 4 amp issues in 10 years. They also sent new wires from amp to driver that are larger dia and longer plus new screws,bit for screws and loaned me the handles to remove and install this 55 pound driver. WOW I have purchased a lot of equipment in the last 40 plus years and none of them compare to SVS and the pride they take in all their products.

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I had to do an amp swap with one of my Ultra's and it was nothing short of first class service. Be a cold one down below for me to switch sub makers. Looking forward to an 8' high PC18-Ultra!
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I had heard SVS had a great reputation for service both before and after the sale......but WOW!! This example blows my mind.

I purchased my SVS subs and Elevations on performance/specs alone. I'm almost sorry I didn't need to call them up before the sale and chat now! haha

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Me thinks there are no differences with the 2000 series boxes and water heaters.
This has always been my understanding and experience as well...any differences between the box and cylindrical versions are minimal and related to volume...let placement constraints and/or aesthetics determine your choice...I've owned both...bottom line, they both sound GREAT!!!
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I'll be picking up my new PC12 Plus this weekend. I'm wondering if this sub cable is plenty sufficient for the sub? If not what do you guys recommend?

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This has always been my understanding and experience as well...any differences between the box and cylindrical versions are minimal and related to volume...let placement constraints and/or aesthetics determine your choice...I've owned both...bottom line, they both sound GREAT!!!
I know the PB has 1-2 dB over the PC. The 12+ PB and PC and 2K's are even.
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I'll be picking up my new PC12 Plus this weekend. I'm wondering if this sub cable is plenty sufficient for the sub? If not what do you guys recommend?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...f_rd_i=desktop
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I'll be picking up my new PC12 Plus this weekend. I'm wondering if this sub cable is plenty sufficient for the sub? If not what do you guys recommend?

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Cable will do.
Also as per @Mongo171 , I have and am currently using these same cables at lengths up to 35' w/o issue...no need to spend any more than necessary for wire.

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I know the PB has 1-2 dB over the PC. The 12+ PB and PC and 2K's are even.
Biggest different between PB and PC is with Ultra models. Ed Mullen said PB and PC Pluses are basicly very very close so maybe +/- 1db or so not even posible to hear different with Pluses. Then 2k must be 100% identical.
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I'll be picking up my new PC12 Plus this weekend. I'm wondering if this sub cable is plenty sufficient for the sub? If not what do you guys recommend?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...f_rd_i=desktop
Talking about sub cable you know what I did? I had very nice back then expensive component video cable from my RPTV ( green, blue, red) I just split them and use 2 of them to ge subs cables. Worked great from Day 1. Cable what you choice will works 100% with no problems.
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Talking about sub cable you know what I did? I had very nice back then expensive component video cable from my RPTV ( green, blue, red) I just split them and use 2 of them to ge subs cables. Worked great from Day 1. Cable what you choice will works 100% with no problems.
I did the same thing! Dual PC12+ ers think alike.
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Talking about sub cable you know what I did? I had very nice back then expensive component video cable from my RPTV ( green, blue, red) I just split them and use 2 of them to ge subs cables. Worked great from Day 1. Cable what you choice will works 100% with no problems.
That's what I use to connect my 3 channel amp to my receiver. Some, if not all of those old component video cables are very heavily built.
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Hey folks, I got a new TV and set up my sound system at a different location. I'm getting the red limiter light going off on my PC12-NSD again. I have it paired with a Klipsch 12RWD or similar, to a denon x4000. I have phase all the way to the left at 0, low pass all the way to the right, and gain at about 40% from the left. What might be setting it off do you think?

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