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post #1 of 18824 Old 07-27-2006, 07:20 AM - Thread Starter
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If this thread already exists, please disregard. I looked, but couldn't find it.

I recently purchased a PB Plus/2, and have been itching to share my experience so far. Here's my 5.1 set-up:

Denon AVR 5803 (Purchased Used)
Panasonic BD-55 Blu-ray Player (Analog 5.1 Outputs)
Samsung 5687 DLP
GR Research A/V3S x 3
GR Research A/V1RS x 2
SVS PB Plus/2
PURE AV Power conditioner

Listening area is 14x17x8 living room with one 8' opening to kitchen/dining area, and one opening to hallway, laminate floor with large area rug, SVS position is RF corner next to ent center (very limited in where I could put it), listening position is center of 14' wall across from TV, Not an ideal HT room, but could be worse.

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All speakers set to 75 db, with SVS running hot at about 82 db
SVS Gain at 1/4, 20 hz tune (one port plug), used the included 3M rubber feet
LFE pre-out on Denon is -2.0 db

Listening is 90/10 Movies to Music


After more research than I care to get into, I settled on the Velodyne HGS 15x and the SVS PB Plus/2. I actually ordered the Velodyne, but it was discontinued. I had decided on the Velodyne mostly because of the smaller size and the positive experience a relative of mine has had with his. The SVS and the Velodyne seemed to be close in performance based on what I had read, but
the size of the SVS was scaring me off. WAF. She's been very patient with my hobby. After the Velodyne fell through, I decided to order the SVS rather than looking elsewhere for the Velodyne. Got the size past the wife by telling her it was a lot cheaper than the Velo. I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK!

Support from SVS before, during, and after the sale has been outstanding. It was shipped fast, and arrived on it's own pallet, very well packaged. The manual and set-up were a snap. I have since contacted SVS a couple times with questions and comments, and they always reply quickly and seem very interested in my impression of their product. Not to mention the money I saved by going with the SVS.

It's performance so far has been excellent. I had a Klipsch KSW 15 prior to the SVS, and let me tell you, this thing blows it away, and the Klipsch was no slouch. From the sock explosion in Monsters Inc. to the Tripods in WOTW, I'm lovin my new toy.

Sorry if this was a puff piece, and again, I hope an owners thread doesn't already exist. If so, let me have it, if not, lets hear about your SVS!


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If this thread already exists, please disregard. I looked, but couldn't find it.

it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch.

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it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch.


Not surprising. Subwoofers seem to inspire rabid devotion, more than any other component that I've seen.

I'm not a basher. I have a feeling that I could have been happy with a number of subs that I researched. We're very fortunate that we have access to such wonderful technology and performance from many different companies. Lets all just enjoy our hobby, and the chance to share with others who have this bug. God knows, I've looked long and hard for people in my life who share my level of interest in HT, and haven't had much luck.

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it did once, but got removed. all things SVS tend to provoke strong reactions, and a while back threads were getting derailed/deleted left and right. maybe this one will stick around???

glad you're enjoying your new sub...certainly a step up from that klipsch.

Hell, SVS owners practically own the entire subwoofer section themselves.
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Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

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Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

Whoever started this thread rocks!

Supposed to have a flatter curve...try it, you won't lose anything in that room. Personally prefer the 20hz tune, more mid-bass pop and dynamics to my ear.

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Considering changing my PB Plus/2 tune to 16 hz from 20 hz. Please see my initial post for my set-up and let me know what you think. Any thoughts/observations from current PB Plus/2 owners would be great!

Whoever started this thread rocks!

I have mine at 20Hz also. I tried 16Hz for a while, but went back. Can't put my finger on the difference, but I like the 20 better. Perhaps when I get EQ'ed, I will try 16 again. But like Ron said, try it, it only takes a few seconds to put it back.

If you want to talk just SVS and not get the negative comments, try the Home Theater Spot forum. They have one just for SVS.

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I've been swapping emails with Tom at SVS. As always, I get fast, helpful replies. Just wanted some additional owner input.

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is there a significant difference b/w the 20-39 PCI and the PB 12/NSD? Room is approx 22x14x7, give or take a foot or two on either side. space or looks are not a concern.
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is there a significant difference b/w the 20-39 PCI and the PB 12/NSD? Room is approx 22x14x7, give or take a foot or two on either side. space or looks are not a concern.

Not really...though the old PB12 was tuned to 22hz and the new one will be 18hz.

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Did some playing around with my PB Plus/2 settings this morning. I was running it in the 20 hz tune, and decided to give the 16 hz a try. I found that I needed to bump up my LFE out on my AVR from -3.0 db to -1.0 db after watching some familiar bass scenes, (WOTW, Matrix Revolutions, Monsters Inc., Episode II, Nemo). There was definately an increase in impact down low, but I felt that the middle frequencies were slightly understated by comparison, even though it was very subtle. Not to mention the higher impact low stuff seemed to find some unwanted resonances in my house. I don't have an EQ, and my listening space, (See beginning of thread), is less than ideal. Needless to say, I went back to the 20hz setting. Glad I tried it.

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Any specs available on the 3 new SVS subs coming out? The are supposed to be tuned down a little lower. Wondering how flat the PB12-NSD will be in the 18hz to 80hz range.

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Should be pretty flat if their past products are any indication.

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Today was the official announcement of the new PB12-NSD subwoofer:

http://svsound.com/news-news.cfm

Looks like the price might be going up after the preorder period.

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What would you guys consider the better upgrade? Buying a third PB12-Plus/2 sub or
upgrading the existing four 12.2 drivers with the new Plus 12.3 series? I'm 50/50 on
movies/ music dvd's.

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What would you guys consider the better upgrade? Buying a third PB12-Plus/2 sub or
upgrading the existing four 12.2 drivers with the new Plus 12.3 series? I'm 50/50 on
movies/ music dvd's.

This was discussed once before. IIRC, adding a third won't get you much more than having two. You would have to add two to get significant additional headroom. Since it looks like the .3 drivers are getting about 2dB more headroom, that would seem to be the better way to go.

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SVS is also offering the RS SPL meter or the Avia DVD (a $40 value) free with the PB12-NSD preorders.

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Wow! Surprised this has lasted this long....I started an SVS owner's thread a few month's back only to watch it vanish within a couple of days because it contained the letters that shouldn't be uttered together on this forum it seems. Anyways....I currently have a PB10-ISD that I have been really happy with, but I just got back from Reno after having hit a jackpot on a slot machine so I decided to upgrade to the PB12-Plus/2...can't wait! Can't beat buying a new SVS for essentially $2 (that's how much I put in the slot machine....haha!)
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Wow! Surprised this has lasted this long....I started an SVS owner's thread a few month's back only to watch it vanish within a couple of days because it contained the letters that shouldn't be uttered together on this forum it seems.

why would they delete them?

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Got me.....but there was a rampage of deletions a few months back and they all revolved around posts with the three dreaded letters...SVS. Anyways....don't want this to stray off topic and get onto the politics I disagree with on this site so I'll just leave it at that.
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Got me.....but there was a rampage of deletions a few months back and they all revolved around posts with the three dreaded letters...SVS. Anyways....don't want this to stray off topic and get onto the politics I disagree with on this site so I'll just leave it at that.

That's funny, on SVS site they link to AVS, guess no back scratching going on?

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Well maybe because I haven't opened my big mouth yet ;^)

PS WRT the above question about dual v. triple subs, I'd have to agree with Ransac. You'll probably be best off starting with a woofer-ectomy inserting the 12.3 woofers (speaking strictly on a price/performance ratio for the upgrade). If that's still not "enough" then start to consider the tri-sub approach. Phase optimization will be key, so co-location of two, much less three subs might be considered if you aren't. Smooth response from more than one point source of deep bass can get really tricky, though we're working on ways to make that easier.

Screxer, that's pretty funny, and perhaps a first for us. I say stick it to the man and enjoy a better sub indeed ;^) The PB10-ISD was/is a very good sub, but get ready for a shock. The Plus/2 is a whole different animal. My advice is to stop gambling immediately however. You know, quit while you are ahead ;^)

PS Yes, leave politics and back door shenanigans out of this respectful and non-controversial support thread. Every forum, every brand of gear has its personality, and crosses to bear. We don't scratch backs, nor even have time to scratch asses any more. We build good stuff, we sell it, we support it. Now and again, we talk about it. That's pretty much our lives.

We'll do our best to pop in periodically, blog style and police up whatever questions with our famously pithy responses when we can. E-mail is always best for quickest and pithiest replies however. With as much work as we have stacked up, just getting to check the weather is often a click too far in a given day.

rons@svsound.com (really easy questions)
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Just go to the website for the ones that are neither easy or hard I guess ;^o)

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Thanks for the post Ron. I hope this thread has a successful run. Still finding new ways to enjoy my PB Plus/2. Purchased the long awaited Pink Floyd Pulse DVD. Great sound, including a high bit rate DD recording. Check out "Sorrow" on Disc 1, deep, wonderful bass! I friggin love Pink Floyd! SVS is OK too. LOL

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Glad to see this thread started. long overdue, IMO.

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Thanks for the post Ron. I hope this thread has a successful run. Still finding new ways to enjoy my PB Plus/2. Purchased the long awaited Pink Floyd Pulse DVD. Great sound, including a high bit rate DD recording. Check out "Sorrow" on Disc 1, deep, wonderful bass! I friggin love Pink Floyd! SVS is OK too. LOL

Keep up the good posts!

Pulse is the first thing I put in when I hooked up my PB10 last week...What a great DVD..!!!
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When I put in Pink Floyd Pulse, I have to play along with my 20-39+.

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Ron, thanks for the post...glad my situation was a first!!! haha! I don't know many other people that win big gambling and then turn around and buy a speaker...much less a speaker you can only get internet direct! Honestly, I have no complaints about the PB10 whatsoever....it's probably fine for the room I'm in, but I've turned into a bassaholic and since it really isn't my money I'm spending, what better way to spend it then to go overkill with an SVS?! haha! I'm eagerly anticipating getting the pallet (wow, that sounds scary in and of itself..haha!) and can't wait to lug the beast into my room and get it all calibrated....I'm sure I'll be experiencing movies once again, just like I did when I went from a Velodyne to the PB10.

P.S. I rarely gamble....this was really the only time I've ever won at a casino (good enough reason not to gamble huh? haha!) I just go to Reno every year for Hot August Nights and this year I came home well ahead :-) I did stick to my budget though so I could come home with all the winnings to put towards the new beast that will be sitting in the corner soon.
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Hmmm...odd I would never think that as nice as the SVS guys are there would be politics and thread deletions here. As I posted elswhere recently I took the plunge and transformed the lr into a HT. The SVS guys have been there to answer my questions and listen to me spout how good everything is. Of course unlike many here the whole thing is budget, well sort of. I think the total is around 3300, pretty good for entry level.

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So by last Fri everything had arrived but my friend with all the video and audio calibration tools wasn't coming until Sun. What was I to do? Couldn't wait and set everything up and rocked the house, literally. Now I was wishing I didn't have to work just stay home and watch movies all day. Sun rolls around and everything gets calibrated. Wow! Now I see why people calibrate everything as all the nuances and sublte crap could really be heard. Watched the opening of Master and Commander, holy $%#@ I thought I was going to blown to smithereens! Same with the opening of Saving Private Ryan. The 5.1 system may only have the PB10 but damn is it good! These two along with Jurasic Park should be added to the list of recommended bass watching movies!!

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I actually just recommended the SVS 5.1 system to a friend. He also has a limited budget. I'm glad to hear its a performer. He was considering the Bose system. Enough said on that.

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When I put in Pink Floyd Pulse, I have to play along with my 20-29+.

Cool!

Do you have that SVS coupled with your guitar set-up? Don't think I've seen that before, but why not.

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