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post #271 of 1007 Old 12-03-2006, 05:44 PM
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Let me be the first to say "Welcome" to the AVS site!

I'm interested in hearing what the overall cost will be (shipping, duty etc) to us in Canada.

I've familiar with e-designs stellar rep in the car audio business and I'm keeping a careful eye on this thread.

Please keep us posted and include pic!

Cheers for the welcome.

I'll let you all know the full cost when it arrives, as for pictures I don't even own a digital camera, lol. I'm not an audiophile, this is my first subwoofer actually. I couldn't afford to go HDTV so I decided to upgrade from stereo to 5.0 first and then add a subwoofer. I listened to a Reel Acoustics RSW-810, which I was tempted to buy however, I baulked at paying C$299 for an 8" sub. I just carried on reading reviews, lurking in forums and stumbled across this thread by accident and decided to throw my lot in with this baby :-)
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Okay guys/gals, I took a test with the subs in the center of my room and the results are as follows. The meter was 2.5 feet, on the floor pointing up, from the rear(ported side) of both the subs. The eD sub is the first graph and the H100 is the second. The blue line is the level it was tested at. Just shows you that my corner doesn't increase the bass, just sucks it out. I'd be better off if I put the subs in the middle of the floor. It still looks like the room is affecting the sound in the middle of the room. The H100 looks like it's no slouch. Just for giggles I have added my old HTD.
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maybe i just dont know what to "really" look for in frequency response charts but seems kind of disappointing that the a5-300 is hitting 20hz around the same db that the h100 is
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Just shows you that my corner doesn't increase the bass, just sucks it out.

Levels are just higher because you're measuring closer to the sub. 2.5ft vs listening position.
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im gonna email elemental designs and tell them to do some measurements because a lot of people are on the wall right now and we need some measurements from their room just for reference
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maybe i just dont know what to "really" look for in frequency response charts but seems kind of disappointing that the a5-300 is hitting 20hz around the same db that the h100 is

I think the H100 is just a sleeper.
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Levels are just higher because you're measuring closer to the sub. 2.5ft vs listening position.

Maybe so but I think a good corner load should be better. Maybe I'm not understanding your statement but even if I go back another few feet 'all' the levels should lower accordingly. I originally did it 3 inches away but the port of the h100 was on lower side of the back of the sub which skewed the results a little.

Looks like to me that the corner the sub is inhabiting excites higher low bass frequencies(between 30-60hz) and the only way to tame that is to EQ.

I think the lesson that I'm learning here is that room acoustics can suck the fun out of LFE.
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I think the H100 is just a sleeper.

Yep, I don't think it can be called a sleeper though when quite a few people in past compaired it against various subs and the general feeling is it can't be beat till you get to the SVS price point.
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The H100 is outstanding at it's price point, don't really know why people are disappointed that the ED sub is about equal to an H100. It's great to see that there are now some good choices in the $200 range.
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The H100 is outstanding at it's price point, don't really know why people are disappointed that the ED sub is about equal to an H100.

We don't know that they are equal. The in-room FR being similar does not provide enough evidence to support such a claim.
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We don't know that they are equal. The in-room FR being similar does not provide enough evidence to support such a claim.

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tdamocles HAS A A5-300! that is a $550 sub!! this is not the A3-200!!!

this is MORE than an SVSPB10

i would expect these results from a polk subwoofer of the same price but not from an ED sub with 500 watts and a 120lb enclosure
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tdamocles HAS A A5-300! that is a $550 sub!! this is not the A3-200!!!

this is MORE than an SVSPB10

i would expect these results from a polk subwoofer of the same price but not from an ED sub with 500 watts and a 120lb enclosure

Those numbers do not tell you much at all. If you want to look at wattage, you also have to look at the overall efficiency of the driver and enclosure. Wattage alone means very little. All things being equal....500 watts gets you 3dB more output than 250 watts.

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Those numbers do not tell you much at all. If you want to look at wattage, you also have to look at the overall efficiency of the driver and enclosure. Wattage alone means very little. All things being equal....500 watts gets you 3dB more output than 250 watts.

yes i know watts are not everything (the H100 only 150w yet performs incredibly well), im just saying this is a heavy duty amp, a nice driver, and a premium enclosure... there has to be something wrong.
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yes i know watts are not everything (the H100 only 150w yet performs incredibly well), im just saying this is a heavy duty amp, a nice driver, and a premium enclosure... there has to be something wrong.

tdamocles isn't measuring the maximum output on a GP, but simply the in-room FR.
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There is nothing wrong here IMO. Had the h100 surpass the eD sub in max spl THEN and only THEN would something be wrong with the picture. The graph simply shows the FR of the sub in it's current location in relation to where the tests were being taken...thats all.

Two similarly tuned subs showing a similar in-room Fr aside from max spl isn't really a shocker.

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Hopefully someone with some knowledge (which excludes me) can do some GP measurements and possibly max output numbers too. New adopters, don't get discouraged...rooms are pretty tricky.

I don't lurk as much as I used to and I NEVER listen. Comes from being old and cynical.

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There is nothing wrong here IMO. Had the h100 surpass the eD sub in max spl THEN and only THEN would something be wrong with the picture. The graph simply shows the FR of the sub in it's current location in relation to where the tests were being taken...thats all.

Two similarly tuned subs showing a similar in-room Fr aside from max spl isn't really a shocker.

the graphs (if labeled correctly) show an H100 hitting 15hz and only dropping 12 decibels (from 20hz), the A5-300 drops more than 20 decibels once it hits 15hz (from 20hz)

just seems weird to me
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There are not too many retail subs that you can buy out there for $550 with 500 watts that reach 20hz so I think it isn't a bad deal. Like Mr. Ron Temple says - We need a GP test to show what is really up... I'm thinking that even if I got something like a pb12 it would have done the same in that corner...
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tdamocles isn't measuring the maximum output on a GP, but simply the in-room FR.

exactly. It appears to me that he is measuring the rooms FR not the FR of the actual driver.


Try measuring the output ot 90db reference instead of 75db.
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Here's the E-Mail I just received from Ben @ Elemental Designs. Looks like they are going to have discounts for AVS members only. I believe it runs from now until January 1.

Have at it........

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Here are the coupons you requested for the AVS guys.

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The A7-700 will go on the web site sometime likely late tomorrow afternoon which will also be included in this. We are finishing that information up today to go online tomorrow.

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Here's the E-Mail I just received from Ben @ Elemental Designs. Looks like they are going to have discounts for AVS members only. I believe it runs from now until January 1.

Have at it........

Rob

Cool. For any others who were waiting on more reviews before making a purchase, I noticed that on their site, they have free UPS ground shipping on their subs. Between the coupon and the free shipping, the prices are very competitive with the sale/introductory prices that ran up until this past weekend.

I'm not affiliated with this company, just watching the product like so many others here.
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I couldn't pass up the AVS member coupon which is the same exact price I paid the first time. Now, I'll have a duel eD's! Thanks eD and highside!

I saw M I 3 last night and sounded very good. Punchy and loud! I truly believe it's a great bang for the buck!

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There are not too many retail subs that you can buy out there for $550 with 500 watts that reach 20hz so I think it isn't a bad deal. Like Mr. Ron Temple says - We need a GP test to show what is really up... I'm thinking that even if I got something like a pb12 it would have done the same in that corner...

I hope that's the case for ED's sake!
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Anyone else see the A7-700 on the eD blog?



Pretty big, and that's just the dual 15s. Then coming soon, the A7-900, which is dual 18s!

Still waiting for my A2-300... Still under construction...
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Wow that's a lot of subwoofer for $1360 delivered after discount.

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Wow that's a lot of subwoofer for $1360 delivered after discount.

Indeed.
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Holy smokes!
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That dude is likely a "little person" of some kind, or at least "altitude challenged".

What is the WAF rating on that sub?
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I think the other objects in the room rule out the "little person" theory

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