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post #361 of 9709 Old 03-21-2007, 10:00 AM
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Sounds like we're going to need some new construction methods to keep from destroying one's home. Detached, on slab, concrete block walls, 90 amp service to go along with the popcorn machine.

If you know anything about me and how I post, I try not to shovel it too deep. I like to keep a level head and not fall into the trap of just slinging hyperbola for the heck of it. But the fact remains that this is the best sub I have heard or owned.

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Let me just add one more item. Last night, when I was watching WOTW something happened that never happened before. My HT room is in a house on the second floor. The kitchen is on the first floor on the other side of the house. During the beginning when the pods emerge and the fun begins the room was shaking. For the first time, I was told that there were glasses in the kitchen that were shaking. I have played that movie plenty of times and while it has gotten loud, I was never told that before. This was with the door the the room shut, plus another door that sort of separates off part of the upstairs shut. To say I was impressed was an understatement.

Yes ,second floor theaters add some unique pluses and minuses. The second floor theater allows some incredible visceral effects from the whole room moving but my daughters lights blow out during movies from the vibration of her bedroom ceiling.

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I hope she is not in the room or you have a canopy to catch the falling glass . I guess there is allot of vacuuming in that room.

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Subs that break stuff.....cool.
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The lights blow out they don't explode. I guess that's an old expression from an old guy.
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If you know anything about me and how I post, I try not to shovel it too deep. I like to keep a level head and not fall into the trap of just slinging hyperbola for the heck of it. But the fact remains that this is the best sub I have heard or owned.

Hi mike,

I'm glad you're enjoying your sub. How close are your neighbors?
Do they feel your sub? I'm afraid to ask mine. Because, that will open the
door, for reducing the sub's output. Is there anyway of telling how the neighbor
is feeling it. You just can't go outside and see how loud it is, because you
may not hear it - but you feel it. I also, don't want to do the opposite. I lower
it, thinking I'm bothering my neighbors, but I'm not. Are side yards here are
very narrow. Probably- 25' between houses. Would a SPL meter help?
Maybe, I should make this topic a thread? I think I will?
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Hi mike,

I'm glad you're enjoying your sub. How close are your neighbors?
Do they feel your sub? I'm afraid to ask mine. Because, that will open the
door, for reducing the sub's output. Is there anyway of telling how the neighbor
is feeling it. You just can't go outside and see how loud it is, because you
may not hear it - but you feel it. I also, don't want to do the opposite. I lower
it, thinking I'm bothering my neighbors, but I'm not. Are side yards here are
very narrow. Probably- 25' between houses. Would a SPL meter help?
Maybe, I should make this topic a thread? I think I will?

I am in a single house. I don't think there is any way I could affect the house next to me. That is not the problem. The problem is the people in the house with me . When I start to affect houses other then the one I am in, that is the point where I will probably be taken away .

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Gadget - If it bothers them, they'll let you know.

Luckily, the people next door moved. They were complainers. They use to
complain when I had a Bose Lifestyle system. "Your subwoofer is knocking my
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Mark wrote this "What should also be noted is that for $999 for a pair this then translates to the equivalent of 6dB more at 2m, or 103-104dB @ 20Hz, and >115dB above 35Hz."


So how will these subs compare to this SubMersive.....what can we expect performance and $$$$ wise?

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Mark wrote this "What should also be noted is that for $999 for a pair this then translates to the equivalent of 6dB more at 2m, or 103-104dB @ 20Hz, and >115dB above 35Hz."


So how will these subs compare to this SubMersive.....what can we expect performance and $$$$ wise?

I will PM you some quotes from Mark.

I don't want to hijack their Submersive thread.
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Mark wrote this "What should also be noted is that for $999 for a pair this then translates to the equivalent of 6dB more at 2m, or 103-104dB @ 20Hz, and >115dB above 35Hz."

So how will these subs compare to this SubMersive.....what can we expect performance and $$$$ wise?

The quote above is in reference to the MFW-15 I designed for AV123 to produce and sell. This was designed as a high value subwoofer that will be built in much larger quantities. Physically it is not much smaller than my SubMersive. It takes two MFW-15s to match the output of a single SubMersive above ~17-18Hz, and the SubMersive still has lower compression and has useful output to a much lower frequency. The amplifier of the SubMersive alone contributes more cost than a pair of MFW-15s for many reasons.

They are very different animals, at completely different price and performance/size ratios. The SubMersive has much more extended and an overall flatter response with 2x the output per its size. The MFW-15 will be a great value, where those who might want a single SubMersive but can't justify $1995 for a subwoofer can spend $999 for a pair of very nice looking and quite impressive sounding subwoofers that are right on the heels of what the SubMersive does.

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Mark sounds like 2 really good values.

So really $2000 buys you a single Submersive......or 4 MFw-15s....

So Dollar for Dollar how would that match up fair?

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Mark sounds like 2 really good values.

So really $2000 buys you a single Submersive......or 4 MFw-15s....

So Dollar for Dollar how would that match up fair?

Didn't he just said it?

"The MFW-15 will be a great value, where those who might want a single SubMersive but can't justify $1995 for a subwoofer can spend $999 for a pair of very nice looking and quite impressive sounding subwoofers that are right on the heels of what the SubMersive does."
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Didn't he just said it?

"The MFW-15 will be a great value, where those who might want a single SubMersive but can't justify $1995 for a subwoofer can spend $999 for a pair of very nice looking and quite impressive sounding subwoofers that are right on the heels of what the SubMersive does."


So if Duals are right on the heals.........Dual DUALS would have the submersive trying to catch up...

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So if Duals are right on the heals.........Dual DUALS would have the submersive trying to catch up...

Yes, four would provide 6 dB more output than two (assuming co-located).
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Dual DUALS would have the submersive trying to catch up...

The term "Dual Duals" is a first for me. LMAO...

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So if Duals are right on the heals.........Dual DUALS would have the submersive trying to catch up...

I don't think that's what Mark inferred or I would read this in a much different way.. Four may give you more SPL but...
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...The amplifier of the SubMersive alone contributes more cost than a pair of MFW-15s for many reasons....

...The SubMersive has much more extended and an overall flatter response with 2x the output per its size....

From this statement and IMO the overall edge still goes to the SubMersvie for frequency response (band width), sound quality and real estate (the SM requires less room space by a factor of 2).

While two MFW-15s may make some economic sense if your after SPL, the use of four is and exercise in diminishing returns. I would take the added frequency response and sound quality of the SubMersive any day over increased SPL.
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OK.
I finally have some pics to post. I hope you like them . I was able to watch T3 this weekend. WOW. It was simply incredible. I noticed a difference from my last sub right away. There were times with my old sub where I could notice compression and distortion. Not with this sub. Just loud, clean, room pounding bass. I am glad I went this route.
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Here is another one. It does look real nice all in black. And what is really cool is that with the cover off, you can really see that driver move .
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nice Mike! congrats. Looks terrific and i'm sure it sounds like one too!
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Thanks. Yea, it sounds killer. I am very satisfied with this purchase.

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Looks great Mike. Does it still sound as good as when Mark set things up? Have you made any changes? Also, have you listened to any multi-channel music on it yet? I've found the bass on many MC recordings to be significantly better than their stereo counterparts. Steely Dan's Gaucho has become my personal music reference disc.

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Thanks Craig. I am not making any more changes. No need to mess with perfection.
So yea, it still sounds killer. . I have a few MC disks I could try, but I have not yet. But I am still in the "learning" phase of what this can do and what my room can
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Looks great Mike. Does it still sound as good as when Mark set things up? Have you made any changes? Also, have you listened to any multi-channel music on it yet? I've found the bass on many MC recordings to be significantly better than their stereo counterparts. Steely Dan's Gaucho has become my personal music reference disc.

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Thanks Craig. I am not making any more changes. No need to mess with perfection.
So yea, it still sounds killer. . I have a few MC disks I could try, but I have not yet. But I am still in the "learning" phase of what this can do and what my room can
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Hi Craig, Interesting regarding the bass on cd vs multichannel. I recently noticed the improvement in bass quality after picking up my SACD player. Not only does the SACD "side" have more dynamics, it seems to not "ring" or sound bloated. Now I'm still fairly new to all this but does this have something to do with the fact DSD is fairly close at reproducing a "square" wave? I recently took a vist to a local hi fi shop and spoke to one of the veterans of the store who used to work for a sub company. He went on to make some pretty wierd claims regarding a/b auditioning and that the human brain is really good at remember sound quality , having a speaker or other cone(in this case the example was just having a subwoofer unpowered sitting in the room) in the room of a 2 channel system can alter the sound quite a bit and thus why they don't recommend A/Bing (kind of goes against everything I've observed myself and on these forums). Another one was that he mentioned quite a few audiophiles will spend $20k on a turntable, maybe a couple $1000 on an amplificatino and only a couple $1000 on the speakers (instead of the bulk of the money on the speakers).Another thing he really went on about was timeing and how it was "everything" for a system to sound "realistic". I'm fairly good at telling when someone is feeding me bs and lieing, this guy wasn't lieing...if it was mumbo jumbo I was getting fed he was passionate and sincere about it, not trying to sell or push me towards any product.

In regards to the Sinewave vs Squarewave, is this what plays the largest role in percieved quality of the bass signal? I used to think my CD's were the bread and butter of music now I find a lot sound like lousy radio or crummy mp3s in comparison to some of my SACDs. I'm in Vancouver so most of the record stores we have here in vancouver are the HMV chain, they all recently stopped carrying SACDs

From a buisness perspective I can understand why they dont sell, but it is a shame that it's becoming increasingly hard to find them.

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Since none of the *interesting* questions or comments you pose are related to the Seaton Sound Submersive, let's take the OT discussion to PM's or another thread.

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Since none of the *interesting* questions or comments you pose are related to the Seaton Sound Submersive, let's take the OT discussion to PM's or another thread.

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