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As Morpheus said, "I do not believe it to be a matter of hope, simply, a matter of time."

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Thanks, now I have to watch the trilogy. I think when I get my Mac gear calibrated I want to watch all the Star Wars movies as well. Should be a long night, or 2.
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I just finished watching them all over a few nights myself. It was fun . I am sure in your room it will be amazing.

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This thread is back from the dead and I just bought a Submersive Let the party begin!!
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This thread is back from the dead and I just bought a Submersive Let the party begin!!

Very nice. Is this your first sub? How big is your room? I am the real manic here. I have mine in a 1000cf room.

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I've just finished reading this entire thread. Well Mark, It looks like you've got another future customer. You're principals, understanding and the fact that you seem to be all about delivering the goods, is everything that a business should be. From what I've read, I'll be looking to pick up a submersive before years end. If I win the lottery though, you're going to have your work cut out for you I'll make you part of home theater history.

Congratulations on all your success. You deserve it.

Hi David,

Thank you for the vote of confidence and approval.

While the $100 discount for new SubMersive customers, and $150 discount per SubMersive for those ordering multiples or additional subs is ending January 30th, I plan to continue to include the 5.1 Audio Toolkit with Seaton Sound purchases (one per customer) for the foreseeable future (at the current price of $1,995 + shipping). In the end it is a worthwhile investment that provides a highly reliable point of reference to insure systems are functioning as expected, and a means for myself and other owners to more directly trouble shoot problems which might be encountered.

I look forward to the brainstorming session when you cash in that winning lottery ticket.

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Thanks, now I have to watch the trilogy. I think when I get my Mac gear calibrated I want to watch all the Star Wars movies as well. Should be a long night, or 2.

original recipe or reincarnations where lucas messed them all up with goofy digital fx?

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i guess that i don't fully understand the submersive product. pair of mediocre 15's and an amp. what makes this product worth $2k?

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i guess that i don't fully understand the submersive product. pair of mediocre 15's and an amp. what makes this product worth $2k?

have you ever seen/heard one in person..... you might want to before making such statements

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have you ever seen/heard one in person..... you might want to before making such statements

why?

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why?

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Haven't you ever heard the saying about judging a book by it's cover?

lol, what does this do toward answering my question?

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lol, what does this do toward answering my question?

I think you're trying to be intentionally dense, but I'll humor you. The performance of the Submersive makes it worth $2k, and yes it performs incredibly regardless of what you think of the components it uses.

Just because the parts aren't flashy doesn't mean they're mediocre. Shiny drivers don't perform any better than plain looking drivers.
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i guess that i don't fully understand the submersive product. pair of mediocre 15's and an amp. what makes this product worth $2k?

Apparently you've jacked this thread to preach driver technology, subwoofer dollar value and goodness knows what else.

This oughtta be good. I'm riveted.

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I think you're trying to be intentionally dense, but I'll humor you. The performance of the Submersive makes it worth $2k, and yes it performs incredibly regardless of what you think of the components it uses.

Just because the parts aren't flashy doesn't mean they're mediocre. Shiny drivers don't perform any better than plain looking drivers.

why do you now insult me?

what performance are you referring to? show me some $2k performance.

i didn't say anything about flashy or shiny drivers, just mediocre drivers. good performance can be achieved from mediocre drivers, just not sure why it takes $2k in this case.

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Apparently you've jacked this thread to preach driver technology, subwoofer dollar value and goodness knows what else.

This oughtta be good. I'm riveted.

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now i am jacking threads?

i just asked what makes the product worth the cost. that's a fair question.

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now i am jacking threads?

i just asked what makes the product worth the cost. that's a fair question.

Let's don't be coy. Start by defining 'mediocre'.

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what performance are you referring to? show me some $2k performance.

And how do you suggest I show you the performance of a subwoofer over the internet?
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i didn't say anything about flashy or shiny drivers, just mediocre drivers. good performance can be achieve from mediocre drivers, just not sure why it takes $2k in this case.

Perhaps you can start by telling the rest of us by what standard you have decided they are mediocre?
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Let's don't be coy. Start by defining 'mediocre'.

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by mediocre, i simply mean employing common driver technology and design. perhaps there is a better adjective for that.

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And how do you suggest I show you the performance of a subwoofer over the internet?

are you serious? design specs would be good. performance measurements would be better. how about some ilkka-like performance data?

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by mediocre, i simply mean employing common driver technology and design. perhaps there is a better adjective for that.

How about an example of a $2K sub that doesn't employ common driver technology and design?

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now i am jacking threads?

i just asked what makes the product worth the cost. that's a fair question.

I feel where you're coming from not exactly in reference to the Submersive, but with a lot of speakers in general. I think some of it stems from DIY endeavours when you get a guage of what raw drivers, amps, mdf etc. cost and then what the final price on some products wind up to be. Of course you take into account labor, business costs, and a profit to keep up and running but it can get ridiculous.
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are you serious? design specs would be good. performance measurements would be better. how about some ilkka-like performance data?

Did you read any of this thread before you decided to start crapping all over it?

How many other subwoofers do you know of that have flat in room response into single digits regardless of price?
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How about an example of a $2K sub that doesn't employ common driver technology and design?

there are many though geared for different applications. the pb13u driver probably falls in the category, not sure about the big 18 from epik.

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I feel where you're coming from not exactly in reference to the Submersive, but with a lot of speakers in general. I think some of it stems from DIY endeavours when you get a guage of what raw drivers, amps, mdf etc. cost and then what the final price on some products wind up to be. Of course you take into account labor, business costs, and a profit to keep up and running but it can get ridiculous.

maybe i have just missed something big, such as does the $2k price include setup and tuning. that could be worth it. perhaps there is something else that i missed. i don't know everything. that's why i asked the question.

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by mediocre, i simply mean employing common driver technology and design. perhaps there is a better adjective for that.

Perhaps there is.

Being perfectly honest (and getting back to my point), I assumed you know enough about the drivers and amp used to elaborate.

As I said above; I'm all ears. Be specific. You've graduated from 'mediocre' to 'common', which tells me nothing. Because I tend to be dense when it comes to a 2X15" sealed subwoofer, I'm interested to be let in on what it is you know that I don't.

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Been researching subs for a while now and I believe I might have come to a conclusion! Mark hasnt posted here for a while are these still available? Price, shipping, ect if anybody knows? I assume I just need to contact him?

Love the design, my dream sub has always been the krell $30k monster (seen and heard it). But that day will never come. The submersive design is similar and sealed I believe I am sold. Opinions?

Hi cliff,

A quick google search of Seaton Sound SubMersive will get anyone to my forum or point to any number of ways to contact me. Today I even made some progress on getting www.seatonsound.net and related details moving.

I noted the January sale detailed on my forum in my last post, but to confirm, orders placed under the sale will be shipping between Feb 9th & Feb 13th with lead times likely shrinking after that. Shipping a SubMersive within the lower 48 typically costs $119-135. You can e-mail me with your shipping address (zip code at minimum) and I can provide an exact quote.

Long ago when I slaved part time for a retailer I heard a pair of Krell MRS's as well as having installed/setup a single unit. Another very memorable subwoofer was the pair of bass towers which were part of the Martin Logan Statement E2s which I also had the pleasure of installing/setting up. While hardly a pinnacle of value, both had wonderful qualities of their own. Ironically, the same company who made the custom 12" subwoofer drivers (12 per set of speakers! ) for the Statement E2s builds my custom 3" VC, 15" woofers in the SubMersive.

I look forward to hearing from you cliff!

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Did you read any of this thread before you decided to start crapping all over it?

yes. i didn't see anything remarkable. hence my question.

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now i am jacking threads?

i just asked what makes the product worth the cost. that's a fair question.

First off, a product is worth what people will pay for it.

Take a good DIY design. Now decide to put it into production. You need to get a business license, rent space for production, warehousing, and offices. Then pay people to document the design, do testing, create BOMs, locate and buy materials, receive and put the part away. Now hire people to take orders, pull the parts, fabricate the enclosures, assemble the sub, inspect and test it, package it for shipping (packing material is an added cost), ship it..... These people need tools, supplies, work benches and other furniture... and on top of that, you have to eat any warranty repairs. Now you need to hire people to do your bookkeeping, run payroll, pay your payroll taxes, get employee insurance.......These people need office furniture, supplies, computers, software..... I haven't even touched liability insurance, marketing and all the other costs of doing business.

Let me see you do all this and sell into a saturated market. Tell me you can do this for $600 a sub and still not lose your shorts.

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