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Hey Mark, you have another career option if this subwoofer thing doesn't work out.
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I used to own two Maple Submersive HP's for almost two years, miss them. But in all fairness my current subs have never had a quality calibration and symmetrical room like the SubM's did. Anyway the black Maple, at least to me, felt like a satin black finish. Very nice, smooth and well built.

The Axpona room looks amazing!
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Wow Mark. Those espresso cherry ones are really beautiful.

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Ahh... the wonders of skilled video editors. Many thanks for the11th-hour.com guys for their show coverage and skilled editing to make me sound coherent while running on 3-4 hours of sleep for the 5 days going into the show. My fitbit said it took about 50k steps to pull everything together between Thursday and Friday.
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Marks room at Axpona.
I only took a few because it was dark in there during the demos he was playing for everyone. What a hell of an experience the room Mark had was huge with high ceilings and he had no problems filling the space with bass or sound. I can go on and on about it but in short it was very impressive. Room size was enough to have 300-400 or more people at a wedding to put it in reference.
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Room was fantastic. Loved the F18's in stacks of 4...looked menacing sounded great.
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It was good seeing you today Mark. Loved all the new offerings and your set up was top notch.'
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So what is the scoop on the Ember 630 In-Wall/In-Ceiling? Price, performance, dimensions, availability, etc... and where there any other new additions?

Thanks for the pics!
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So what is the scoop on the Ember 630 In-Wall/In-Ceiling? Price, performance, dimensions, availability, etc... and where there any other new additions?

Thanks for the pics!


I should of zoomed in on the specs he had at the show sorry about that. As for auditions I'm guessing at Marks warehouse I really don't know. I'm sure once Mark gets everything put away from the show he will chime in and give more details about those. They looked really nice and the enclosure was solid. It was well thought out on his end to add these to his line of speakers and subs.
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So what is the scoop on the Ember 630 In-Wall/In-Ceiling? Price, performance, dimensions, availability, etc... and where there any other new additions?

Thanks for the pics!
the Ember 400/630 indicates depth of the sub and driver angle from the wall. 400 = 4" deep from mounting surface (fits in standard 2x4 stud cavity), 0 deg from wall (straight forward). 630 reaches 6" deep from mounting surface, and 30 degree angle from the surface. The front panel of each is 15.5" square with a magnetic grill. Installed with the grill in place they look the same. These use a 6.5" coaxial in a ported box with extension to 70Hz, 92dB sensitivity, and a receiver/amplifier/wiring friendly 6 Ohm nominal load. There are 4 holes on the face which accommodate 1/4-20 screws and toggle bolts for direct drywall mounting, or lag/wood screws if the 14.25" x 11" cut out is next to a stud or joist. The Ember 400 & 630 will be $795 and $895 each with intro prices of $695 and $795 respectively. Front face and grills will be available in black or white.
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the Ember 400/630 indicates depth of the sub and driver angle from the wall. 400 = 4" deep from mounting surface (fits in standard 2x4 stud cavity), 0 deg from wall (straight forward). 630 reaches 6" deep from mounting surface, and 30 degree angle from the surface. The front panel of each is 15.5" square with a magnetic grill. Installed with the grill in place they look the same. These use a 6.5" coaxial in a ported box with extension to 70Hz, 92dB sensitivity, and a receiver/amplifier/wiring friendly 6 Ohm nominal load. There are 4 holes on the face which accommodate 1/4-20 screws and toggle bolts for direct drywall mounting, or lag/wood screws if the 14.25" x 11" cut out is next to a stud or joist. The Ember 400 & 630 will be $795 and $895 each with intro prices of $695 and $795 respectively. Front face and grills will be available in black or white.


Mark I still can't believe you filled that huge room with sound and bass. The room you were in at the show was huge and think was the biggest there which says a lot about the speakers and subs you show cased. Was the room hard to eq due to size and ceiling height?
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the Ember 400/630 indicates depth of the sub and driver angle from the wall. 400 = 4" deep from mounting surface (fits in standard 2x4 stud cavity), 0 deg from wall (straight forward). 630 reaches 6" deep from mounting surface, and 30 degree angle from the surface. The front panel of each is 15.5" square with a magnetic grill. Installed with the grill in place they look the same. These use a 6.5" coaxial in a ported box with extension to 70Hz, 92dB sensitivity, and a receiver/amplifier/wiring friendly 6 Ohm nominal load. There are 4 holes on the face which accommodate 1/4-20 screws and toggle bolts for direct drywall mounting, or lag/wood screws if the 14.25" x 11" cut out is next to a stud or joist. The Ember 400 & 630 will be $795 and $895 each with intro prices of $695 and $795 respectively. Front face and grills will be available in black or white.

Thanks for the info Mark! I really like how you made the front bezel the same as the CAT's. I am interested in these from a ceiling mount for Atmos. I looks like that could be part of your intention with these even though I know you have the new Sparks for that as well.
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Thanks for the info Mark! I really like how you made the front bezel the same as the CAT's. I am interested in these from a ceiling mount for Atmos. I looks like that could be part of your intention with these even though I know you have the new Sparks for that as well.
The Ember 630 is absolutely intended to work very well for Atmos. If the angle is desired and the space permits, they can also be used for ear level surrounds. They are similarly well behaved like the new 8" coaxial we use in the Spark and now have upgraded to in the Catalyst 12C & 8C models and have been optimized to match very well.

Ideal locations for Atmos height channels leave the listener sitting 35-60 degrees off axis from a ceiling mounted, down firing speaker due to the 55-30 degree elevation requirement. The 630's design puts you 30 degrees closer to the direct axis and well within the optimized listening window. The Ember 400 can be used just as any other in-wall would be used, and having a full enclosure it is not dependent on the cavity it is mounted to. I can certainly see a killer setup for reasonable investment with a set of 3 new Sparks and 4-8 Ember's with a few F18s or SubMersives.
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Mark I still can't believe you filled that huge room with sound and bass. The room you were in at the show was huge and think was the biggest there which says a lot about the speakers and subs you show cased. Was the room hard to eq due to size and ceiling height?
Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed the experience. The curtains were very purposely set a few feet from the side walls and front wall to help with the mid-high frequency reflections in the room.

There was no EQ used. The old school audiophiles at such shows are always a little suspect of too much EQ, so I left all of the speakers without EQ and just matched levels and distances adjusted. With more time for setup and front-back sub placement I definitely could have gotten an even better result, but it was great to let people hear how the new coaxial and our speakers sound right out of the box without nearby walls.
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The Ember 630 is absolutely intended to work very well for Atmos. If the angle is desired and the space permits, they can also be used for ear level surrounds. They are similarly well behaved like the new 8" coaxial we use in the Spark and now have upgraded to in the Catalyst 12C & 8C models and have been optimized to match very well.

Ideal locations for Atmos height channels leave the listener sitting 35-60 degrees off axis from a ceiling mounted, down firing speaker due to the 55-30 degree elevation requirement. The 630's design puts you 30 degrees closer to the direct axis and well within the optimized listening window. The Ember 400 can be used just as any other in-wall would be used, and having a full enclosure it is not dependent on the cavity it is mounted to. I can certainly see a killer setup for reasonable investment with a set of 3 new Sparks and 4-8 Ember's with a few F18s or SubMersives.
That's what I was hoping you would say It's the angle that I have been fretting over and I was thinking you addressed that by the angle of the drivers. I like the 92db sensitivity as well.
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Wanted to thank Mark for hosting an outstanding room at Axpona and spending some time with me today and offering up a great deal to add on another subm to my twins for some rear fill in my room, when I was all set to just upgrade one of the amps. Also for showing me the proper setup method of using the right tools and how I might achieve better results with setting them up. Mark really is a humble expert of his craft and is about as down to earth as you can get. He will open up his shop to get what you need to help you. I had concerns that with all the hype of the 18 this 18 that, that the Subm and F2 might go away or not be supported in this land of streamlining. But Mark assured me that there will always be a home for the 15's as there power to size ratio is still so vaunted. I know I cannot stack 4 F18's in my room, but dual hp+ could be a viable option.
I had a great time at the show yesterday spending over an hour in Mark's room, inhaling the great audio and video he provided. It really was impressive how well the wall of F18's completely controlled the full sized theater space with truly immersive gut punching bass. Also the very open and easy way the catalysts resolved the soundtrack and dialogue. There were some impressive rooms at Axpona, just not to the scale that Mark created, you could easily have seated a hundred people in there. I have attached a couple of pics, but it does not really portray the scale.
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Here's a look at what we had set up at the front of our AXPONA 2017 demo room which was a huge 47' x 81' x 22' tall.

This year I decided to conceal the speakers to not shock attendees with massive speakers or cloud judgement. The visual wow factor was left to the pair of 8' tall, quad stack of F18s and 14' wide Stewart screen lit up by Sony's rather amazing VW5000ES. I caught this quick picture while we were playing some music through the system with the lights back up:



The screen is flanked by a pair of 4' x 8' fabric wrapped frames to conceal the left/right Catalyst 12C powered speakers. This was the first public demonstration of the 12C with the updated coaxial from the Spark series, which served surround duty for the system. All of the fabric panels were done using Fabricmate fabric track and constructed by Accurate Acoustics who also displayed in the room and is based in the Chicago suburbs. You may recognize their name from their part in the construction, acoustics, and fabric work for the Star Wars theater.

The Sony VW5000ES projector's 4k/HDR picture was calibrated by Ken Whitcomb (@D6500Ken; on AVS) using the Lumagen Radiance Pro. I also want to thank quad SubMersive owner and reviewer/technical editor, @Kris Deering , for his help with the video setup & calibration.

Of course we need a shot for scale of those awesome 4xF18 stacks:

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