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WarrenBuffett's Avatar WarrenBuffett
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Just had Mark Seaton over to install my 2 SubMersives, it being late and all I will keep my initial post on this MONSTER of a sub short. My family room turned home theater room is a difficult room that opens up into appx 800 sq feet of kitchen and dining room. Just 1 was able to handle the room by itself, 2 just abused the area.




Thanks Mark for re-confirming why I love this hobby and am glad there are people like you out there making such ridiculous products like the SubMersive!
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Nice!
Looking forward to your review
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You must tell us more. What demos did you try? What subs did you have before and is there any comparison?
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OK.
Now I am excited. I will be getting one of these after CES in my 1000cf room . I can not wait. I just know that it will be unlike anything I have ever experienced. Post your thoughts when you have more time.
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The initial reviews from some guys over here in HEMI are extremely positive.

Art
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Yea. I can believe it. I have talked to some other people who have it and they say that it is just fan-freakin-tastick. So Art, can I be let into the big boys club now?
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Great news. Craig should be getting his hands on one or 2 of these soon. I am looking very forward to seeing some results. Should be excellent.

There are some very exciting new products on the subwoofer front. JL, SVS, SeatonSound, AV123, HSU..... They are all setting standards higher than they have ever been before.

-Eli
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4X15" sealed, tweaked by Seaton...what can I say that I haven't been saying for years?

Congrats on a very fine addition to your HT.

I'm with everyone else here...tell us more!

Bosso
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Question to Mark Seaton or anyone who knows...maybe a dumb question.

Where do I order a SubMersive?

Now we need tests done A/B comparos VS the JL f113. In any case I need one.
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check your PM
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I'd also like to know where to order a submersive?
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Thanks Mike.



WarrenB.,

Could you take some close up pics of the Submersive woofers.I know the grills come off.If you have time.

Thank you.


This is the kind of forum I like,full of audiophiles,sub bass addicts and even the designers of the products post here!
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this thread is missing something......
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I'd also like to know where to order a submersive?

Check your PM
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What about a 230 Volt version for us Brits (and the rest of Europe)??
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I would guess not at first. But maybe down the line he could do something like that.
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WarrenB.,

Could you take some close up pics of the Submersive woofers.I know the grills come off.If you have time.

Thank you.




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Backgroud:
I am fairly new to Home Theater so my experience is a bit less robust than most of you who post here. I am more or less a lurker rather than a poster but read the forum daily.

My Subwoofer ownership experience has been limited to A couple of failed DIY sub builds as well as a pair of Klipsh KSW-12's.

I have heard almost every iteration of SVS (with the exception of the newer models) 1 DIY sonotube (tuned to 16hz), and a Velodyne DD15.

So as you can tell I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to "real" LFE devices.

Mini Review:

I have to keep this review short due to the fact i've only been able to view about 10 scenes with the SubMersives. The most recent being the Lightning strike and Pod emergence from War of the Worlds. This has resulted in a Huge mess.... My projector completely came unaligned, one of the HVAC vents in the wall opposite the subs came out about 1" from the wall (it is an old house and a bad HVAC install), I dislodged an electrical outlet cover that wasn't secured, and dislodged one of my DVI plugs (not screwed in) coming into my computer on the 2nd floor. (That was at -5db on my pre/pro, reference is at 0db)

Oh and I don't belive i've felt that scared from a scene i've seen countless times.



The thing that amazes me the most about these Subs is their ability to convince you of the reality of the situation being displayed on screen. The Bass is accurate, not showy or boomy, and and no other sub I have heard has been able to accomplish this combination of Loud and Accurate.

Another tangible value that this sub offers is the man who created it, Mark Seaton. I don't' think i need to add another feather to Mark's cap as I'm sure its full already, but I am amazed at his depth of knowledge and passion for this industry. If you meet Mark, you will buy his products. They represent the future of Home Theater.
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"This has resulted in a Huge mess.... My projector completely came unaligned, one of the HVAC vents in the wall opposite the subs came out about 1" from the wall (it is an old house and a bad HVAC install), I dislodged an electrical outlet cover that wasn't secured, and dislodged one of my DVI plugs (not screwed in) coming into my computer on the 2nd floor."
WOW I haven't heard many other subs really causing physical damage to a room. We have all heard the "It shook my room like nothing else" but this is actual proof
Richard Mayer's Avatar Richard Mayer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenBuffett View Post

My Subwoofer ownership experience has been limited to A couple of failed DIY sub builds as well as a pair of Klipsh KSW-12's.

I have heard almost every iteration of SVS (with the exception of the newer models) 1 DIY sonotube (tuned to 16hz), and a Velodyne DD15.

So as you can tell I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to "real" LFE devices.

Now that wasn't nice...
Quote:


Mini Review:

I have to keep this review short due to the fact i've only been able to view about 10 scenes with the SubMersives. The most recent being the Lightning strike and Pod emergence from War of the Worlds. This has resulted in a Huge mess.... My projector completely came unaligned, one of the HVAC vents in the wall opposite the subs came out about 1" from the wall (it is an old house and a bad HVAC install), I dislodged an electrical outlet cover that wasn't secured, and dislodged one of my DVI plugs (not screwed in) coming into my computer on the 2nd floor. (That was at -5db on my pre/pro, reference is at 0db)

Oh and I don't belive i've felt that scared from a scene i've seen countless times.

What, no dislocated shoulder?

Congrats! It must be a great product.
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I would also like to know where to get info on ordering a Submersive
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"This has resulted in a Huge mess.... My projector completely came unaligned, one of the HVAC vents in the wall opposite the subs came out about 1" from the wall (it is an old house and a bad HVAC install), I dislodged an electrical outlet cover that wasn't secured, and dislodged one of my DVI plugs (not screwed in) coming into my computer on the 2nd floor."
WOW I haven't heard many other subs really causing physical damage to a room. We have all heard the "It shook my room like nothing else" but this is actual proof

The house is a rental and is not of top quality internals. I knew beforehand that the HVAC vent was loose but i was extremely amazed to see that it actually moved that much.
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Rental or not, that is still impressive. But then you do have TWO of them .
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Warren,

Are you willing to remove a driver and take some pics of it and the inside of the enclosure?

-Eli
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Warren,

Are you willing to remove a driver and take some pics of it and the inside of the enclosure?

-Eli

I'm going to leave that to the experts (like craigsub) as I would probably do irreparable damage.
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What about a 230 Volt version for us Brits (and the rest of Europe)??

The amplifier is 230V ready, and unlike some, is both CE and UL Certified. Oh yeah, it costs too much, but you guys are worth it.

Honestly the website has taken a slight back-seat to getting the early customers all taken care of who are waiting on product while I'm making sure all the details are settled with the first batches built up. To save a bunch of questions, the SubMersive will sell direct for $1995. I will have select dealers, but those will primarily consist of knowledgeable and capable system integrators and designers.
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did not i tell u that the SUB1 was the real deal?

r u using any form of linearized motor technology on these drivers, mark?

isnt that amp the same one that DANLEY is selling for DTS20?
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Warren,

Are you willing to remove a driver and take some pics of it and the inside of the enclosure?

-Eli

Hi Eli,

While the later arriving, premium finish cabinets will be MDF construction, the architectural finish version you see is built locally from 18mm Baltic Birch Ply cut via CNC. The only reason I can justify the added cost of them is that the build house is local and very flexible with me as I've worked with them for 5+ years and they have very reasonable lead times. Construction is simple but well thought out. Each driver baffle is 1.5" thick, with the sides, top and bottom 0.75" thick. There are two full braces that are parallel to the driver baffle that flank the amplifier location, making for a minimum of unbraced panel width in the box. I'll save others from having to open up a SubMersive and in the near future I'll post a shot of a box before the drivers and amplifier get loaded.
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The amplifier is 230V ready, and unlike some, is both CE and UL Certified. Oh yeah, it costs too much, but you guys are worth it.

Honestly the website has taken a slight back-seat to getting the early customers all taken care of who are waiting on product while I'm making sure all the details are settled with the first batches built up. To save a bunch of questions, the SubMersive will sell direct for $1995. I will have select dealers, but those will primarily consist of knowledgeable and capable system integrators and designers.

Any timeline on when they will be available for preorder?
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WarrenB.,

Thanks alot for the woofer close up pics. Looks like two drivers do the job here.And sealed...opposed sides. Hmm no moving back and forth with this sub.

You damaged the room and pictures where not knocked from the walls!

With all the subsonics at my disposition I have yet to damage my audio rooms,I know I can damage hearing. I have to admit everything was fixed so even very loud and very deepbass does not create audible parasitic vibrations
.

Mark Seaton,

I am impatient to see tests and order one,maybe even two.I'll stack them.
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