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Blaser do you have a dual PB-12NSD set up?>

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No Sir! But I have a Jamo X8 sub which is very poor below 30 Hz, and I would like to make an upgrade in the 1000-1500 $ range, and your opinions are very useful for me.

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Hey Craig, hope you're having fun with the subs...

...something that's been on my mind lately and would like input on is that I've heard HSU subs were generaly more geared towards music whereas as SVS more for movies... correct me if I'm wrong... I'm not sure if that's because HSU's are more articulate whereas SVS's are more rounded (again I could be wrong on my reasoning as well)...

having said that, I was wonderring if it was possible to have two categories in terms of ranking criteria?... one for music and one for movies? (for those of us who are mostly movies or mostly music)...

thanks Craig, I hope that I'm not being too much of a pest...

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FWIW, I would think that in the case of two subs which are close in SPL capability, if one is better for music it should be better (more articulate, accurate, etc) for movies as well....

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The VTF-2.3 will have the turbo installed tomorrow, and we will run the MC scene on it with turbo, plus through the VTF 3.3, HO, and the SVS Ultra ... We are supposed to get several inches of snow, so this will keep me from getting too bored ...
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Thank God for a wind shift!!!!!

we didn't get NEARLY the snow they were forcasting here in Cleveland.....

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...sounds like Winnipeg down there...
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[quote=craigsub]The VTF-2.3 will have the turbo installed tomorrow, and we will run the MC scene on it with turboQUOTE]


I'm confused...Does the turbo for the HO or 3.3 work on the 2.3?? I am very interested in the 2.3, but had no clue there was a turbo for it as I do not see it listed or mentioned on Hsu's website.
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The VTF-2.3 will have the turbo installed tomorrow, and we will run the MC scene on it with turboQUOTE]


I'm confused...Does the turbo for the HO or 3.3 work on the 2.3?? I am very interested in the 2.3, but had no clue there was a turbo for it as I do not see it listed or mentioned on Hsu's website.

The turbo with the 4" ports can be installed on the 2.3 even with it's 3" ports. the main problem is aesthetics, in that the turbo is wider than the 2.3, so it would look ugly as hell, but will boost it's output.
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Here is a pic of the turbo on a VTF3-2, which is the same box as the VTF2-3. You can see that the turbo is wider. I don't think that it looks any worse then the 3.3 with turbo.

http://forum.hsuresearch.com/showthread.php?t=2109&p=
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Here is a pic of the turbo on a VTF3-2, which is the same box as the VTF2-3. You can see that the turbo is wider. I don't think that it looks any worse then the 3.3 with turbo.

http://forum.hsuresearch.com/showthread.php?t=2109&p=

Are my eyes deceiving me, or are the ports on the turbo wider than the ports on the sub itself? Is the 3.3 sub box wider than the 3.2 and 2.3 box? If not, what was HSU thinking when they designed this turbo (assuming its also wider than the box)?

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The 3.3 is 2" wider than the 2.3 box and the 3.2 box. The ports are 4" on the Turbo and 3.3 and 3/HO, while 3" on the others (if I recall correctly).

 

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Are my eyes deceiving me, or are the ports on the turbo wider than the ports on the sub itself? Is the 3.3 sub box wider than the 3.2 and 2.3 box? If not, what was HSU thinking when they designed this turbo (assuming its also wider than the box)?

That is a pic of the turbo on the 3.2. The 3.3 and the HO are 2" wider. IIRC, the 3.2 has 3" ports and the turbo has adapters to make the 4" ports fit the opening of the 3" ports. The 3.3 and the HO have 4" ports.

edit: Oops, too slow.

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Hey Craig,

Have you gotten a chance to audition the BMF or Submersive yet? I am really curious as to how they would stack up and/or if either would make into the official rankings...

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Really impressed with the VTF2-3 hangin in there with the PB12. Also like some have pointed out, the HSU is cheaper by $130.00 assuming you don't get the PB12 from B-stock.
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PB10-NSD owner here. This is my first post in this thread as it took a while for me to read through most if not all of it. I really appreaciate everyone's comments and Craig's extensive reviews and comparisons. What is the Mount Doom scene being talked about here? Is that when Frodo is in Mt Doom or is it at some other point of the movie? I don't recall ever hearing my PB10 chuff. Also, one movie/music video I'd love to see charted by Craig or anyone else here is the Blue Man Group "The Complex Rock Tour Live" DVD and/or the BMG Audio Surround Mix DVD from 1999. Both of these have amazingly low beats/frequencies. Specifically the Live version of "The Current" (not the music video) has a either a drum beat or synthysized beat that is 20hz or below which can't even be heard from subs that drop off around 25-30hz.

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PB10-NSD owner here. This is my first post in this thread as it took a while for me to read through most if not all of it. I really appreaciate everyone's comments and Craig's extensive reviews and comparisons. What is the Mount Doom scene being talked about here? Is that when Frodo is in Mt Doom or is it at some other point of the movie? I don't recall ever hearing my PB10 chuff. Also, one movie/music video I'd love to see charted by Craig or anyone else here is the Blue Man Group "The Complex Rock Tour Live" DVD and/or the BMG Audio Surround Mix DVD from 1999. Both of these have amazingly low beats/frequencies. Specifically the Live version of "The Current" (not the music video) has a either a drum beat or synthysized beat that is 20hz or below which can't even be heard from subs that drop off around 25-30hz.


Yes, "Mt. Doom" refers to, I assume, Frodo's heartbeats while standing on the ledge before turning around and saying he's not throwing it in.
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Hello:

Great thread going here guys. Thanks alot.

I am looking at buying a sub now and I was looking at the VTF 2 mrk 3 so I am happy to see it doing well (we all like ratification of our decisions, don't we? ).

However, it looks like th pb12 is doing well too.

I am looking forward to the continued discussion.

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Hey Craig,

Have you gotten a chance to audition the BMF or Submersive yet? I am really curious as to how they would stack up and/or if either would make into the official rankings...

The BMF or Submersive have not been released to the public. A select few on this forum already have the Submersive, and the impressions have been quite positive. The BMF is debuting in a GTG in Detroit, but I wouldn't expect production to begin until spring.

Can't speak for Craig, but knowing him, I'm sure he'll audition these two subwoofers the first chance he gets. In addition, I'm sure that these subwoofers will compare favorably with the top tier of subwoofers, but we'll have to wait and see.

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I knew there was a reason I liked you guys. You gotta watch the entire series, back to back, over a two day span. You end up feeling like you went through the whole war yourself. WOW!

Hi Jack. I finished it last night but it took me two weeks . It does give you a far better sense of what happened. Discs 2,3 and 4 contain many action and deep bass scenes while discs 1, 5 and 6 provide more of the character develpment and drama. I've always like the genre and its right up there with the best war films.

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Yes, "Mt. Doom" refers to, I assume, Frodo's heartbeats while standing on the ledge before turning around and saying he's not throwing it in.


Yep.....I'm refering to when they first enter mount doom all the way through when Saron Blows up........so basically like a 10min scene with lots of impressive bass

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The BMF or Submersive have not been released to the public. A select few on this forum already have the Submersive, and the impressions have been quite positive. The BMF is debuting in a GTG in Detroit, but I wouldn't expect production to begin until spring.

Can't speak for Craig, but knowing him, I'm sure he'll audition these two subwoofers the first chance he gets. In addition, I'm sure that these subwoofers will compare favorably with the top tier of subwoofers, but we'll have to wait and see.

Thanks for the info jhan!

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I got the turbo to fit into ... or actually, on ... the VTF-2.3. It won't go "into" the port flare as will the Turbo into the VTF-3.3 and HO - and it is a bit nerve racking making sure it stays sealed.

The seal holds, but it is tenuous.

I used a hard back book as a spacer, and have the entire turbo unit placed "upside down" in order for it to work.

The turbo does enhance the performance, subjectively, vs. the unit without turbo in the one port setting. For example, in the Master/Commader scenes, the foot falls of the men running on deck hit more palpably.

The turbo is well worth the $100 extra, even with the 2.3 ... but I would spend the extra $$$$ for the VTF-3.3 without Turbo, as it performs at a higher level, and is an easier package with which to live.

Here is the M/C scene on the turbo equipped 2.3:



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The turbo is well worth the $100 extra, even with the 2.3 ... but I would spend the extra $$$$ for the VTF-3.3 without Turbo, as it performs at a higher level, and is an easier package with which to live.


Craig:

Again, thanks for the hard work and sharing your adivce. Good stuff.

Would you recommend the 3.3 over the PB12?

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Craig:

Again, thanks for the hard work and sharing your adivce. Good stuff.

Would you recommend the 3.3 over the PB12?

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I would recommend the VTF-3.3 over the PB12, based on performance alone. There are reasons why someone else would prefer the PB12, though.

One of the listeners during the "blind testing" portion preferred the PB12 due to its slightly (in his words) "richer presentation" of bass. Most preferred the VTF-3.3's more visceral and musical presentation, and it is also more powerful than the PB12... but the performance of the PB12, for $599, is still remarkable.

The PB12 Vs. VTF 2.3 is a classic case of music vs. movie subwoofer decision. The VTF 2.3 is a more accurate reproducer of instruments like stand up bass and kick drum ... and does a very nice job on movies.

The PB12 gives more of that room shaking ability that movies require, while being pretty good on music.

The $100 difference (long term pricing) and the performance of the 2 subs makes this an extremely tough call.
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I think the verdict is that if you have the extra money to spend that you should get the 3.3. If not, the PB-12 is a good subwoofer and you wouldn't be missing anything by using it.

The 3.3 is 649 plus 75 shipping

the PB-12 is $599 plus $50 shipping.....

--I've noted before that if you look at SVS's site for 2 weeks you'll be able to find a b-stock for $549 pretty easy

ALSO if you email SVS sales and mention AVS you can probably get 5% off of a $599 model.

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Craig & BG:

Thanks for the prompt responses and the advice.

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Anytime.....Good luck with your search! You can be sure whichever sub you buy, you are buying something of VERY high quality!!!!

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Hsu Research handles "B" stock as well. I believe they give 20% off, and you get put on a list .. they then notify you when the "B" stock is available. The 20% is off the regular pricing, not "special" pricing"

In other words, the VTF-2.3 would run $499 - 20% ... or $400. The VTF-3.3 would run $560 (20% off the $700) ...

If this has changed, perhaps Peter Marcks could weigh in. The lower pricing of the newer models may have changed this 20% model.

Also - I ordered my PB12 as "B" stock, and I cannot find anything wrong with it. It looks perfect.
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