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Awesome, I'll wait for the results... patiently ...

Last night I bought some speaker wire so I could at least listen to my bookshelf speakers without a sub. Klipsch SB1 but at least they move a tiny bit of air :P
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Awesome, I'll wait for the results... patiently ...

Last night I bought some speaker wire so I could at least listen to my bookshelf speakers without a sub. Klipsch SB1 but at least they move a tiny bit of air :P

I bought some Elemental Design Towers and Center and they sound AMAZING. I had their A5-350 Sub ordered, but canceled it so I could get the SVS sub. So far, I've been extremely happy with the support of SVS. Great guys to work with.

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Ok, I've had a couple days now to listen to the SVS PB12-NSD with original amp, then swap it out for the revised amp that SVS has been shipping for the last few months, and compare both to the HSU VTF-3.3 in my 2500c.f. sealed room...

SVS has made a significant change to the character of the PB12-NSD IMO, and I like it - on both music and movies the new amp has made the sound so much tighter and harder-hitting, especially in the all important midbass, with increased dynamics on demanding passages. The improvement is easily noticeable and very enjoyable - bass guitar and drums have great articulation and texture, as do LFE movie effects, and gone is any hint of bottom-heaviness or thickness - this thing is now very agile, clean, natural and more musical sounding to my ears.

Make sure you check out Ilkka's excellent objective tests over at HTShack - the latest PB12-NSD essentially equals the average output of the 3.3 in max output mode (22hz tune) while providing a much lower 18hz tune so it digs a lot deeper in that comparison, and the SVS easily exceeds the max SPL of the HSU in max extension tune. Ilkka's distortion tests show the PB12-NSD being significantly cleaner also.

So based on this revised amp, I can now heartily recommend the PB12-NSD as it has very impressive SQ to my ears and according to Ilkka's objective data it's a more capable performer than the HSU 3.3 across the spectrum. For $600 bucks it's a great bargain, and if an upgrade was desired in the future then stacking two of them for a +6db headroom gain would take the performance to a new level.

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Interesting take.
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I need a new sub for my 5200 CF room and was wondering what folks thoughts were on either the VTF-3.3 or the PB12-NSD for this size space. I'd like to stay under $850 for now, with the idea that I can always add a second sub if needed in the future.

The AV123 MWF-15 is interesting too, but I really don't want to wait until April-May to pick one up.

Thoughts?

-also, when is craigsub gonna test the new PB12? That may help answer the question, but again, I don't wanna wait 2-3 months.
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Ok, I've had a couple days now to listen to the SVS PB12-NSD with original amp, then swap it out for the revised amp that SVS has been shipping for the last few months, and compare both to the HSU VTF-3.3 in my 2500c.f. sealed room...

SVS has made a significant change to the character of the PB12-NSD IMO, and I like it - on both music and movies the new amp has made the sound so much tighter and harder-hitting, especially in the all important midbass, with increased dynamics on demanding passages. The improvement is easily noticeable and very enjoyable - bass guitar and drums have great articulation and texture, as do LFE movie effects, and gone is any hint of bottom-heaviness or thickness - this thing is now very agile, clean, natural and more musical sounding to my ears.

Make sure you check out Ilkka's excellent objective tests over at HTShack - the latest PB12-NSD essentially equals the average output of the 3.3 in max output mode (22hz tune) while providing a much lower 18hz tune so it digs a lot deeper in that comparison, and the SVS easily exceeds the max SPL of the HSU in max extension tune. Ilkka's distortion tests show the PB12-NSD being significantly cleaner also.

So based on this revised amp, I can now heartily recommend the PB12-NSD as it has very impressive SQ to my ears and according to Ilkka's objective data it's a more capable performer than the HSU 3.3 across the spectrum. For $600 bucks it's a great bargain, and if an upgrade was desired in the future then stacking two of them for a +6db headroom gain would take the performance to a new level.

Cheers,
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How did you get the revised amp for your PB12-NSD? I was told by SVS that the new AMP is more than 1/3 the cost of the sub itself and did not recommend a separate purchhase.

And they were not doing swaps.

Finally, I was told they started using a revised AMP in May of 2007 -- almost a year ago. So why is this now still considered a new AMP?
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How did you get the revised amp for your PB12-NSD? I was told by SVS that the new AMP is more than 1/3 the cost of the sub itself and did not recommend a separate purchhase.

And they were not doing swaps.

Finally, I was told they started using a revised AMP in May of 2007 -- almost a year ago. So why is this now still considered a new AMP?

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I think his amp blew, and they sent him a replacement.

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I think his amp blew, and they sent him a replacement.

Maybe I should have mine "blow" before the one year warranty is up then.

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How would one determine if they have a "new" amp? I bought a PB12-NSD in August last year. Is there a model number?
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Ok, I've had a couple days now to listen to the SVS PB12-NSD with original amp, then swap it out for the revised amp that SVS has been shipping for the last few months, and compare both to the HSU VTF-3.3 in my 2500c.f. sealed room...

SVS has made a significant change to the character of the PB12-NSD IMO, and I like it - on both music and movies the new amp has made the sound so much tighter and harder-hitting, especially in the all important midbass, with increased dynamics on demanding passages. The improvement is easily noticeable and very enjoyable - bass guitar and drums have great articulation and texture, as do LFE movie effects, and gone is any hint of bottom-heaviness or thickness - this thing is now very agile, clean, natural and more musical sounding to my ears.

Make sure you check out Ilkka's excellent objective tests over at HTShack - the latest PB12-NSD essentially equals the average output of the 3.3 in max output mode (22hz tune) while providing a much lower 18hz tune so it digs a lot deeper in that comparison, and the SVS easily exceeds the max SPL of the HSU in max extension tune. Ilkka's distortion tests show the PB12-NSD being significantly cleaner also.

So based on this revised amp, I can now heartily recommend the PB12-NSD as it has very impressive SQ to my ears and according to Ilkka's objective data it's a more capable performer than the HSU 3.3 across the spectrum. For $600 bucks it's a great bargain, and if an upgrade was desired in the future then stacking two of them for a +6db headroom gain would take the performance to a new level.

Cheers,
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Intersting take.

However Pete_Hsu informed us in another thread that the 3.3 that was used was the previous one with the old amp. The NEW VTF-3.3 has a new amp and is still stronger than the PB12-NSD.
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So any new subs? It's been a couple of days
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So any new subs? It's been a couple of days

none today.

but i did get some yesterday!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13752335

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none today.

but i did get some yesterday!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post13752335

I saw...that picture is beautiful . What do you think of the PB10/12? Obviously they won't be up to the level of the PB13's and A7-450's you own, but I'm curious to know your thoughts. Feel free to tell me via PM if you think this thread isn't the appropriate place to discuss it.
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I saw...that picture is beautiful . What do you think of the PB10/12? Obviously they won't be up to the level of the PB13's and A7-450's you own, but I'm curious to know your thoughts.

i was busy yesterday putting up the GiK panels, hopefully i get the chance to plug them in today

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i was busy yesterday putting up the GiK panels, hopefully i get the chance to plug them in today

What a coincidence...I just got some GIK 244's and put them up today!
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What a coincidence...I just got some GIK 244's and put them up today!

i got quite a few and it took me 3 days (1-2 hours each) to install most of them between two rooms.

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i got quite a few and it took me 3 days (1-2 hours each) to install most of them between two rooms.

If you have any extensive picture threads, I'd be interested . Sounds like it took a while, but I'm sure it'll be worthwhile.
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im still looking for hooks available locally because the wall behind my tv in the bedroom is made of cement board. so i still have 5 offwhite 242's to install

edit: forgive the mess, i'd say i was gonna fix that up ... but i'd be lying since this is a dedicated HT, the lights go out when I watch movies, i won't see any of the mess

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How do those compare to owens corning 703?
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How do those compare to owens corning 703?

im not sure, iirc, gik acoustics use 705? which are denser? therefore absorb lower frequencies

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GIK uses rockwool, not fiberglass.

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GIK uses rockwool, not fiberglass.

right. it was realtraps who is using FG

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