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post #1 of 23 Old 01-10-2007, 08:43 AM - Thread Starter
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Hello All

I am thinking about my next upgrade and many have suggested that the sub should be my next move. I agree as long as I would see a significant improvement for my money over current sub.

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RX-V2700
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Outlaw M2200 (3)
Boston VR3
Boston VR-MC
Boston VRX (side surrounds)
Mirage Nanosat prestige (back surrounds)
current sub Klipsch KSW-12

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24Lx18Wx8H (one open wall)

Sub budget $1000.00 MAX (W/ shipping)

looking at the SVS, HSU, JL

any others I should consider?

Would there really be a significant improvement over the Klipsch...I think I paid around $500.00 (maybe more...not sure) for it 8 years ago. its rated at 300Watts, 117db 24-120hz response

here is a link to the Klipsch official specs on it

ksw-12 specs

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JL Audio doesn't have anything in that price range.

IMO the best choices are:

AV123 MFW-15 $599 (coming in 1-2 months)
HSU VTF-3 HO $899
HSU VTF-3 MK3 $649
SVS PB12-Plus $949
SVS 20-39PC+ $899
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This is such a long debate. HSU, SVS, which one. I am still questioning that myself. You can throw the JL option out because it is $2200. So with $1000 to spend I would do this from SVS http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-isd2.cfm
or this from HSU http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-ho.html

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I agree that the HSU vs SVS is a hot debate...I really dont think I could make a bad decision with either of these high quality subs, but would any of these offerings be a significant improvement over the Klipsch? If they had local dealers I would just demo one, but since they are both internet/sell direct based...that is not an easy option.
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I agree that the HSU vs SVS is a hot debate...I really dont think I could make a bad decision with either of these high quality subs, but would any of these offerings be a significant improvement over the Klipsch? If they had local dealers I would just demo one, but since they are both internet/sell direct based...that is not an easy option.

Each one of them would be a significant improvement. My gut feeling (especially when knowing that it was designed by Mark Seaton) says the MFW-15 would be a really good choice.

They also have a package deal for two: $999! THAT would be MORE than significant improvement.
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Yes, there should be a significant improvement when compared to the Klipsch. And the MFW-15 is a very good call as well. Two of them for $999. That is sick.

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With some savy shopping you should be able to ad Velodyne SPL-1000R/1200R and Earthquake MKV-12 & MKV-15's to your HSU, SVS, AV123 list. You have no shortage of great choices in this price range. Will the upgrade be a significant difference? Only you'll be able to answer that since you are the one who has to listen, but all of the subs mentioned are capable of higher levels of performance than the Klipsch.
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This is such a long debate. HSU, SVS, which one. I am still questioning that myself. You can throw the JL option out because it is $2200. So with $1000 to spend I would do this from SVS http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-isd2.cfm
or this from HSU http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-ho.html


Jeff we should mention our idea of just 2 PB-12NSD's

Ed really made me think that people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that and 1pb-12+/2.

(ps...the more I listen to my PB-12 I am really falling more in love with it. I do have to mention though that I DO NOT use it for music all that often....95%+ TV and MOVIE watching)

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Jeff we should mention our idea of just 2 PB-12NSD's

Ed really made me think that people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that and 1pb-12+/2.

(ps...the more I listen to my PB-12 I am really falling more in love with it. I do have to mention though that I DO NOT use it for music all that often....95%+ TV and MOVIE watching)

Well you won't be adding quality when adding another sub, only quantity. I would rather take one good sub than two lesser ones.
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Seriously the best quality and quantity of deep bass ubre $1000(or close to)...

HSU VTF3-HO no doubt.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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Jeff we should mention our idea of just 2 PB-12NSD's

Ed really made me think that people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that and 1pb-12+/2.

(ps...the more I listen to my PB-12 I am really falling more in love with it. I do have to mention though that I DO NOT use it for music all that often....95%+ TV and MOVIE watching)

I would have to agree with you. I just got off the phone with SVS and was talking to them about what I was thinking about, the PB12+2 or two PB12-NSD's. He said no question hands down, the two PB12-NSD's would crush one PB12+2. More power,more port, a lot more box volume. And I am with you. I have had my SVS for almost a month now and to me, it is sounding better and better everyday. I was playing Halo2 the other night and was hearing and feeling low frequencies that I have never experienced. I was also listening to The Fray last night on CD and it sounded excellent. Adding another one to the mix would be awesome. I just need to stop reading about the new HSU's be happy with what I have and just add another one.

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Well you won't be adding quality when adding another sub, only quantity. I would rather take one good sub than two lesser ones.

The SVS PB12-NSD is a good quality sub to begin with, adding another one would get you more output with the same quality.

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I'm with you guys on the pb12-nsd!
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I would have to agree with you. I just got off the phone with SVS and was talking to them about what I was thinking about, the PB12+2 or two PB12-NSD's. He said no question hands down, the two PB12-NSD's would crush one PB12+2. More power,more port, a lot more box volume.

Did they really say that?

650W vs. 900W (actually closer to 1000W with 12.3 woofers)
2x4" ports vs. 3x4" ports

Enclosure volume is the only one being true. Two PB12-NSD's have around 50% more volume.

I seriously doubt they would "crush" it.
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If I decided on the SVS or HSU, I imagine I would run it with the Klipsch.

So would I be ok with say a PB-12NSD and the Klipsch or sell the Klipsch and run ONE PB-12NSD/2 (or simialr HSU products)
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If I decided on the SVS or HSU, I imagine I would run it with the Klipsch.

So would I be ok with say a PB-12NSD and the Klipsch or sell the Klipsch and run ONE PB-12NSD/2 (or simialr HSU products)

Sell the Klipsch and run only the new sub.
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The SVS PB12-NSD is a good quality sub to begin with, adding another one would get you more output with the same quality.

Yes its good quality, but many people have said that the HSU VTF-3 MKIII (or HO) does sound better.
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Did they really said that?

650W vs. 900W (actually closer to 1000W with 12.3 woofers)
2x4" ports vs. 3x4" ports

Enclosure volume is the only one being true. Two PB12-NSD's have around 50% more volume.

I seriously doubt they would "crush" it.

Oops, I screwed up my wording on that one. Too many different models to keep track of. I meant to say that they suggested two PB12-NSD's over one PB12-NSD/2, not the plus model. My bad.

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Oops, I screwed up my wording on that one. Too many different models to keep track of. I meant to say that they suggested two PB12-NSD's over one PB12-NSD/2, not the plus model. My bad.

Ok, that seems reasonable.
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Jeff we should mention our idea of just 2 PB-12NSD's

Ed really made me think that people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that and 1pb-12+/2.

(ps...the more I listen to my PB-12 I am really falling more in love with it. I do have to mention though that I DO NOT use it for music all that often....95%+ TV and MOVIE watching)


If you really want to fall in love with your PB12-NSD, isolate it from the floor. I prepared a small platform using part of the packing foam that the sub came packaged with, and the sound, specially for music is superb. Isolating your sub from the carpet, and specially if you have wood floors is critical IMO. You do have to re calibrate the sub after, but it's well worth it.

I agree with the comments so far... can't go wrong with either the SVS or the HSU.

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Wolfsbane, can you post a pic of your setup?... my carpet's on basement cement, do you think it will make a big difference?
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If you really want to fall in love with your PB12-NSD, isolate it from the floor. I prepared a small platform using part of the packing foam that the sub came packaged with, and the sound, specially for music is superb. Isolating your sub from the carpet, and specially if you have wood floors is critical IMO. You do have to re calibrate the sub after, but it's well worth it.

I agree with the comments so far... can't go wrong with either the SVS or the HSU.


Could you elaborate a little bit on what you mean? My PB12-Plus/2 is on my hardwood floor with only the rubber feet between the two. What exactly does putting it on some sort of platform do acoustically? In speaking to SVS tech support Tom once told me to put a towel or something between the sub and the hardwood floor, but I never tried it. I'm curious what exactly this would accomplish.
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SVS tells me that the PB-12NSD/2 ships via truck...anyone go through this? I am concerned about a truck shipment to my residence
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