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Old 01-16-2007, 03:10 PM - Thread Starter
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I missed a great deal on eBay for a Klipsch rsw15 sub at around $1K.
I've upgraded to Klipsch RF-7 fronts and my old RF-5 to surrounds.

My current sub is the RSW-10....but I'm thinking of upgrading to match the new layout with more power and bass extension.

I can keep looking for the discontinued RSW-15 or look at the new Klipsch RT-12d recommended in the Klipsch forum; however, it is new and pricey. I've seen good deals around on the Velodyne spl-1200r. It looks pretty good on paper but I'm out in Eastern NC and can't audition one. SVS is a nice option...but I'm not sure I want to deal with the size. It would have to be a LOT better in order to rearrange my music and HT area to accomodate the size.

Music reproduction is priorty but it will be used in HT also.

So, RT-12d? Velodyne spl-1200r? Comments? Other comparable options?
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Old 01-16-2007, 08:50 PM
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Roger, if you want a great deal I'm selling a nearly brand new Klipsch RT-10d sub here: http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....ubw&1174093084

It's retail is $1599.99 and I'm willing to let it go for $999 + plus shipping. Comes in the original box with everything, including the factory warranty from Klipsch and is in immaculate condition. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:29 PM
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Late again,well hope it helps.

Klipsch RT-10d and RT-12d subwoofers are great HT performers and have solid output down to 25Hz,below they roll sharply. They will generate great 20-80Hz output and are very clean sounding subs.

The RSW15 starts to roll also around 25hz down,but has a slam none of the newer RT subs can match.IMO the best Klipsch sub to match larger Klipsch speakers.


At $999 the sub Denon2807 offers is a very good deal.Only to pass if you have a very large room where several very large subs would be a must.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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The Fb on the RT12 is around 16Hz, they don't roll off until at least 20. They will compete with a lot of expensive subs at 20Hz but it usually takes measurement equipment to reveal such performance because our hearing is not so acute down there. The 12d stomps the RSW15 below 30Hz and below 20Hz I wouldn't even call the RSW-15 usable. In all fairness, that goes for most subs, but especially bass reflex systems with higher tuning. The slam of the RSW-15 is no where near 30Hz, its more like 40 or 50Hz (or even higher) and that is purely the added displacement of the larger driver. The 15 is better for mid bass applications while if you want any subsonic sound, you best stick with the 12d.
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I just discovered tonight my Infinity subwoofer is going out. It makes weird, muffled sounds, in combination with rattling sounds during loud passages. It almost sounds like the cone is torn. I shouldn't be surprised; I bought it back in 1996. Anyway, I found a couple of 12" Velodyne models on amazon for around $400, as well as a 12" 300W Klipsch that was originally $500, marked down to $229. Which would you guys recommend?

I'll be using whatever I get in conjunction with Polk LSi 9 bookshelf speakers. Would it be best to stick with a Polk sub?

I listen to both music and movies. The room is smallish-to-medium size.

Any suggestions?
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Polk subs are all pretty bad and would not do justice to the LSi speakers. Get a sub from another brand definitely. I would be looking at Hsu, Reaction, Or Rythmik.
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Interesting. Polk subs not worthy of Polk speakers. So, no love for Klipsch? How about SVS?
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Interesting. Polk subs not worthy of Polk speakers. So, no love for Klipsch? How about SVS?
SVS is solid. So is Rythmik, PSA, Reaction, HSU, Outlaw, and many other brands. General rule of thumb is stay away from the big box store brands for subwoofers, because they are more expensive due to how their companies operate having much higher overhead costs.

Store brands can't put out big units for the most part, because then those units have to be shipped by the truck load. The bigger the unit, the less fit on the truck, the more added overhead per unit. They also have more employees, deeper marketing, building and storing of units that don't end up selling, and have to account for the store margins (which is generally ~40%). That means, over 50% of the cost of these subs aren't part of the cost of the sum of the parts found in that subwoofer.

This is why people will always tell you to stay away from store brands. ID companies have far smaller over-head costs, and since they sell directly they don't have to account for store margins. That's why it is impossible to find a store brand sub that can compete at any given price range, because of the cost of how their business works.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:46 PM
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That's interesting. I had no idea Outlaw was well-regarded for their subs. Are they really in the same league as the others? Anyway, just ordered the HSU VTF-2 MK4. Can't wait!
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The VTF2 mk4 is a great sub for the money, you will enjoy it I am sure.
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That's interesting. I had no idea Outlaw was well-regarded for their subs. Are they really in the same league as the others? Anyway, just ordered the HSU VTF-2 MK4. Can't wait!
The Ultra x12 trades blows with the SVS PB-2000. They aren't battling in the ultra high end, but for the price the ultra x12 is a very solid competitor. Especially if you snag one when Outlaw does their big sales.
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The HSU VTF-2 MK4 is supposed to be here tomorrow. Shipping weight is 77lbs. Say hello to my hernia.
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The HSU VTF-2 MK4 is supposed to be here tomorrow.
This thing is H U G E. My room is medium to small so I don't need anything even close to this size. (I sprung for the 12" instead of the 10".) I could probably loan this thing out to my local theater. On the other hand, I dunno. They'd probably say, "I'm sorry, sir. That thing is too big for us." The sound is awesome; by far the best subwoofer I've owned. The construction is top-notch; there's no pressboard or plastic to be found. I think the case is aluminum and the back panel is all metal with very high quality flip switches. Like I said, the performance is just stellar. I highly recommend HSU to anyone. Unless you've got a room the size of the one you paid to see The Avengers in, I'd go for the 10" instead of the 12"......not that I'm sending this one back. You just try to get it away from me...
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