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Just thought I would 'bump' this to the top....hoepfully the AS-EQ1 is still going to be produced...

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Just thought I would 'bump' this to the top....hoepfully the AS-EQ1 is still going to be produced...

It is.


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I have the latest hardware/software at my place for evals and independent confirmation of correction performance. We're still not ready for external beta testers (we've had dozens of volunteers though), but things are moving quickly as of recent.

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I have the latest hardware/software at my place for evals and independent confirmation of correction performance. We're still not ready for external beta testers (we've had dozens of volunteers though), but things are moving quickly as of recent.

Is it still too soon for you to compare this with the Audyssey in the Integra 9.8?


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I have the latest hardware/software at my place for evals and independent confirmation of correction performance. We're still not ready for external beta testers (we've had dozens of volunteers though), but things are moving quickly as of recent.

Add me to the list of those beta tester-wanna-be's

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Is it still too soon for you to compare this with the Audyssey in the Integra 9.8?

This version has proprietary algorithms/sampling rate and can handle dual subs independently. We are designing the product to interface seamlessly with any consumer AVR which is equipped with Audy MultEQ.

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This version has proprietary algorithms/sampling rate and can handle dual subs independently. We are designing the product to interface seamlessly with any consumer AVR which is equipped with Audy MultEQ.

Cool! Can't wait!!


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Just thought I'd check in and see if there are any updates...

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This version has proprietary algorithms/sampling rate and can handle dual subs independently. We are designing the product to interface seamlessly with any consumer AVR which is equipped with Audy MultEQ.

Hey, while you're at it, can you design it to interface seamlessly with MCACC too?

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This version has proprietary algorithms/sampling rate and can handle dual subs independently. We are designing the product to interface seamlessly with any consumer AVR which is equipped with Audy MultEQ.

Ed, how goes the testing of the AS-EQ1?

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Hey, while you're at it, can you design it to interface seamlessly with MCACC too?

Yes, it will also interface with Pio AVRs equipped with MCACC. The interface is genius - one of those "why didn't I think of that" type designs.

After extensive test/review, we are waiting on the next hardware/software version from Audyssey. There's not much more to report, actually.

I really like this product; it's quite powerful - a PC/laptop is needed for all measurement data crunching, correction algorithms, and filter building. After set-up, the unit operates discretely with no user interface. It's definitely not for the tweaker crowd - it's for the enthusiast who wants a flat/accurate FR from the subwoofer(s) with a minimum of fuss, user interface, or learning curve. It's literally a 'set-it and forget it' piece of equipment, much like modern AVR auto-set-up routines.

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Yes, it will also interface with Pio AVRs equipped with MCACC. The interface is genius - one of those "why didn't I think of that" type designs.

After extensive test/review, we are waiting on the next hardware/software version from Audyssey. There's not much more to report, actually.

I really like this product; it's quite powerful - a PC/laptop is needed for all measurement data crunching, correction algorithms, and filter building. After set-up, the unit operates discretely with no user interface. It's definitely not for the tweaker crowd - it's for the enthusiast who wants a flat/accurate FR from the subwoofer(s) with a minimum of fuss, user interface, or learning curve. It's literally a 'set-it and forget it' piece of equipment, much like modern AVR auto-set-up routines.


Are you saying that a computer is needed for proper set-up of the AS EQ-1? Also, more and more people are using house curves. Are you going to craft the software so that it is easy to include a house curve, not just a flat FR from the sub(s)?
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Can't recall, has a price point been discussed on this unit yet?

 

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...a PC/laptop is needed for all measurement data crunching, correction algorithms, and filter building...

Hopefully you will port the software to Macs, as well.
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Are you saying that a computer is needed for proper set-up of the AS EQ-1? Also, more and more people are using house curves. Are you going to craft the software so that it is easy to include a house curve, not just a flat FR from the sub(s)?
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Yes, a computer is needed to set-up the AS-EQ1, just like the Audyssey Pro software. The calculations would take an inordinate amount of time with an on-board processor.

We will not be building a house curve or any adjustability into the unit. We discussed this extensively both internally and with our target demographic/customer base. The more we listened and measured and compared, the more we preferred the sound of a flat FR, and the less we preferred any DSP type EQ curves or various house curves.

If you want to tweak or build a house curve (and that's perfectly fine), then use REW and a Behringer PEQ - something I frequently recommend to our tweaker customers and will continue to do so. But the vast majority of our customer base are not tweakers and definitely want a 'set-it and forget-it' accurate bass solution with a minimum of user interface. For example, our polls indicated very few users actually manually override the MCACC, YPAO, or MultEQ XT EQ settings after auto-set-up.

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Acquiring an appreciation for truly flat bass is sometimes like acquiring a taste for fine red wine. When I started with both wine and audio, I liked Boone's Farm and fat bass. I found that, with both, I needed to educate myself and taste/listen extensively to come to like the best.

Want fatter, non-flat bass? Crank the tone control.


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Hi Ed, thanks for dropping by : )

If you choose to do so at a later point in time, will it be possible to add a house curve and/or manual tweaking in the software running on the PC, or would it require soft and/or hardware modifications in the EQ-1?

And feel free to add me to the list of beta testers ; ) Maybe it's just that I'm getting old, but fiddling around with the BFD isn't as fun as it used to be : )

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Want fatter, non-flat bass? Crank the tone control.

That, or sit against a wall or in a corner
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Hey Ed... Please correct me if I'm wrong here... this is an Auto EQ, but will it have adjustable Highpass feature like the SMS-1, and will it have the ability for adjustable EQ settings... The way I am reading it here it does everything for you and you have no control to tweak things after its done its thing... I would like to think one could adjust some EQ a bit here and there...

Appreciate you stopping in here as well, people have been patiently waiting your results.

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Acquiring an appreciation for truly flat bass is sometimes like acquiring a taste for fine red wine. When I started with both wine and audio, I liked Boone's Farm and fat bass. I found that, with both, I needed to educate myself and taste/listen extensively to come to like the best.

Want fatter, non-flat bass? Crank the tone control.

While I don't see him much on this side of the forum anymore, it was bossobass who first opined that our relative insensitivity to the deepest bass frequencies is already compensated for in HT source material by the mastering/mix engineers. They mix the audio track so infrasonic (or near infrasonic) content is a level which sounds flat/level/even to our ears, and additional correction/compensation is therefore unnecessary.

The key limitation to the above is that the bass will only sound balanced at a given playback level (typically fairly loud) and won't sound that way at lower volumes, which was the basis for the house curve concept. The problem with a fixed house curve is that it will also only sound correct at a given playback volume.

This limitation of the fixed house curve ultimately spawned the development and release of Audyssey Dynamic EQ, which (as the name implies) has an EQ curve which changes with playback level. Dynamic EQ is very well conceived and works extraordinarily well in actual use; the house curve is always perfect, no matter what the playback level.

So I definitely recognize the need for a house curve as Spyboy suggests, but I eventually found the limitation of a fixed house curve to outweigh its usefulness. Now with Dynamic EQ, consumers can enjoy the benefits of a flat subwoofer response at higher playback levels, and then also enjoy the benefits of a customized dynamic house curve which works equally well at all lower playback levels.

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Hey Ed... Please correct me if I'm wrong here... this is an Auto EQ, but will it have adjustable Hipass feature like the SMS-1, and will it have the ability for adjustable EQ settings... The way I am reading it here it does everything for you and you have no control to tweak things after its done its thing... I would like to think one could adjust some EQ a bit here and there...

Appreciate you stopping in here as well, people have been patiently waiting your results.

Thanks

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Hi Warp:

It will not have any adjustable EQ settings. The unit will be flashable, so the potential does exist for future tweaks/features to be added, but they will not be present in this release, and honestly we don't feel they are needed for this type of product (for the above-discussed reasons).

It also does not have user adjustable high pass filters (nor are they needed). The unit does have a sophisticated roll-off sensing algorithm (for lack of better words) which actually senses the roll-off frequency of the subwoofer and will not attempt to boost below that frequency, but will EQ flat down to the corner frequency of the subwoofer. I've tried to trip-up this algorithm and it refuses to be fooled.

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That, or sit against a wall or in a corner

Ummm, yeah, that's where I used to sit with the Boone's Farm.


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Can't recall, has a price point been discussed on this unit yet?

The PDF linked in the first post says approx $750.


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Hi Warp:

It will not have any adjustable EQ settings. The unit will be flashable, so the potential does exist for future tweaks/features to be added, but they will not be present in this release, and honestly we don't feel they are needed for this type of product (for the above-discussed reasons).

It also does not have user adjustable high pass filters (nor are they needed). The unit does have a sophisticated roll-off sensing algorithm (for lack of better words) which actually senses the roll-off frequency of the subwoofer and will not attempt to boost below that frequency, but will EQ flat down to the corner frequency of the subwoofer. I've tried to trip-up this algorithm and it refuses to be fooled.

Well it sounds like a pretty powerful unit, and I appreciate your feedback here.

I guess that with all the auto setup and the Audyssey Dynamic EQ feature, that it probably goes without saying that it will also take care of Phase for multiple subs as well....

Also couldn't remember if it was stated as having Balanced outputs...


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Bump for update per XLR I/O?

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Well it sounds like a pretty powerful unit, and I appreciate your feedback here.

I guess that with all the auto setup and the Audyssey Dynamic EQ feature, that it probably goes without saying that it will also take care of Phase for multiple subs as well....

Also couldn't remember if it was stated as having Balanced outputs...

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I would think that with the Balanced inputs and outputs on the Ultra13, they are adding them to the EQ as well... It just makes sense.....

SVS is a sensible company right...


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Hey Ed -

After it took me about 5 hours to get my subwoofers calibrated with Room EQ and a Behringer only to discover the two adjoining seats were completely screwed I decided I will only sit in the sweet spot.

Add another hash mark for me in the enthusiast who doesn't want to be a tweaker crowd.
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I would think that with the Balanced inputs and outputs on the Ultra13, they are adding them to the EQ as well...

There are no balanced ins/outs on this piece.


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Hey Ed -

After it took me about 5 hours to get my subwoofers calibrated with Room EQ and a Behringer only to discover the two adjoining seats were completely screwed I decided I will only sit in the sweet spot.

Add another hash mark for me in the enthusiast who doesn't want to be a tweaker crowd.

Yep, there's something to be said for plug-n-play ease of set-up. You could have set-up the AS-EQ1 and watched two movies in that time frame and had decent bass at all three seats.

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