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post #61 of 497 Old 06-14-2008, 02:52 PM
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How would a Mbm sound stack on 2 stacked subs in the far field?
If the subs don't sound localized can the MBM??
Is the cross over setting all that's needed not to sound localized?
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Blu, that is because in the nearfield, one should generally not cross the MBM-12 much higher than about 80-100Hz, or else the module will be easily localizeable.

In my opinion, generally the best place to reproduce mid-bass (50-80Hz region) is in the nearfield, right next to the primary listening position. I like using the module sideways centered directly behind the couch. Sometimes people are not able to place the module right next to their primary listening position, or have other constaints related to the room or the capabilities of their front speakers, and in those cases it makes sense to use a couple MBM's to flank the L/R front speakers.

I spent some time comparing MBM-12 (nearfield) + VTF-3 HO/t (farfield) combo vs a VTF-3 MK3 (nearfield) and VTF-2 MK3 (nearfield) in our demo room, and to me the MBM-12 sounds more musical, more "tight", with less "boom" in comparison to the -2 MK3 and -3 MK3 on their own (all using an 80Hz crossover to the main speakers). I really love using the MBM in the system, as I feel the bass lines are more well defined, sound is cleaner (lower distortion), and headroom is higher.

I would probably be buying a 2nd MBM-12 before the end of the month.

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If I were to set the XO to 80Hz, then what settings do you recommend for the fronts, the surrounds, and the back surrounds?
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I got a MBM12 which is placed nearfield (just behind the couch where I sit)., I guess the best way to "describe" the bass, is that it is really punchy.. you know, like PA punchy! Fast and delicious "hit in the chest" bass. You can't localize the bass coming from the sub - if integrated properly. I might get a 2nd one to get the SPL I crave for, at certain songs..
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I got a MBM12 which is placed nearfield (just behind the couch where I sit)., I guess the best way to "describe" the bass, is that it is really punchy.. you know, like PA punchy! Fast and delicious "hit in the chest" bass. You can't localize the bass coming from the sub - if integrated properly. I might get a 2nd one to get the SPL I crave for, at certain songs..

If you get a 2nd one, try it my way.

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Hi Ironmike,

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How would a Mbm sound stack on 2 stacked subs in the far field?
If the subs don't sound localized can the MBM??
Is the cross over setting all that's needed not to sound localized?


Do you mean, if one has two true subwoofers stacked in a corner, how will the MBM sound if stacked on top of that? I wouldn't recommend stacking the MBM like that...

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Hi Blu,

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I would probably be buying a 2nd MBM-12 before the end of the month.

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If I were to set the XO to 80Hz, then what settings do you recommend for the fronts, the surrounds, and the back surrounds?

An 80Hz crossover all around would be just fine.

I'm looking forward to reading about what works best for you when you add a second MBM-12.

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An 80Hz crossover all around would be just fine.

I'm looking forward to reading about what works best for you when you add a second MBM-12.

I followed your direction, and 80Hz all around was perfect! I guess I should have followed Onkyo's lead. Thanks.
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Do you mean, if one has two true subwoofers stacked in a corner, how will the MBM sound if stacked on top of that? I wouldn't recommend stacking the MBM like that...

Sincerely,

That's the only place I have room for a MBM. Maybe I'll just settle for 3 identical stacked subs
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That's the only place I have room for a MBM. Maybe I'll just settle for 3 identical stacked subs

Back of your sofa or under your endtable?
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Back of your sofa or under your endtable?

Nope. One spot. If the MBM won't work which I hoped it may. Another sub would help plenty maybe 2
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What kinda deal would you give me on a second MBM?

You may PM me if you wish.
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What kinda deal would you give me on a second MBM?

You may PM me if you wish.

They won't give much! I think I got 30 off when I got my 2nd one. Try "B" stock.

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They won't give much! I think I got 30 off when I got my 2nd one. Try "B" stock.

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Only $30?
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Only $30?

Yes!
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Yes!

I got more discount than that when I added my MBM.
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Anybody know what happened to Pete_Hsu?
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Blu,

Did you pick up the MBM they had on B-stock yesterday for $400? That is a $99 savings!

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Blu,

Did you pick up the MBM they had on B-stock yesterday for $400? That is a $99 savings!

After I took Pete_Hsu's advice by setting my Onkyo's XO to 80HZ on all speakers, my 3.3 turbo and MBM setup started blowing me away.

I don't think that I will be needing another MBM just yet. But if I decided to, I would just get an extra 3.3 and another MBM together.
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After I took Pete_Hsu's advice by setting my Onkyo's XO to 80HZ on all speakers, my 3.3 turbo and MBM setup started blowing me away.

I don't think that I will be needing another MBM just yet. But if I decided to, I would just get an extra 3.3 and another MBM together.

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After I took Pete_Hsu's advice by setting my Onkyo's XO to 80HZ on all speakers, my 3.3 turbo and MBM setup started blowing me away.

I don't think that I will be needing another MBM just yet. But if I decided to, I would just get an extra 3.3 and another MBM together.

Blu, I have a 3 3 T front left corner with MBM behind the couch. Have been playing with XO 90hz-150hz on AVR. I have finally settled in with 80hz xo with adding a few db gain on Denon AVR and think that is the sweet spot for now.

The problem is all this bass goodness is that it is an addiction and I want more. I have more than enough but someday when I group up I want to be like bsoko and add another 3 3 and MBM.
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Blu, I have a 3 3 T front left corner with MBM behind the couch. Have been playing with XO 90hz-150hz on AVR. I have finally settled in with 80hz xo with adding a few db gain on Denon AVR and think that is the sweet spot for now.

The problem is all this bass goodness is that it is an addiction and I want more. I have more than enough but someday when I group up I want to be like bsoko and add another 3 3 and MBM.

Bsoko is a bad influence on all of us. He even has me wanting to buy another 3.3 and MBM-12 just out of curiosity.

We might be buying a house with a nice size media room within the next 6 months, so I will be most likely copying him.

By the way, I have an Onkyo AVR with THX; and the recommended setting for a THX system is 80Hz on everything. And it works like a charm.
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Guys,
Just ordered a MBM-12...should be hear Wed...just wondering if any of you have suggestions for demo material that shows off the MBM-12 (besides Open Range) Thanks, Bill
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Just ordered a MBM-12...should be hear Wed...just wondering if any of you have suggestions for demo material that shows off the MBM-12 (besides Open Range) Thanks, Bill

If you have a Blu-ray player, just about anything sounds great. Try Cloverfield on BD, or War of the Worlds on SD.
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Just ordered a MBM-12...should be hear Wed...just wondering if any of you have suggestions for demo material that shows off the MBM-12 (besides Open Range) Thanks, Bill

I just got my mbm-12 yesterday It capable of giving so much punch. I have a demo disc with the House of Flying Daggers scene were the girl is slamming on the drums. lol watch as close to reference level as you can. It so amazing. lol it pretty much makes most things sound good. It's so clean/tight and can get loud. Go through your favorite albums. Try near field placement too. I still have a big stupid grin on my face

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I just got my mbm-12 yesterday It capable of giving so much punch. I have a demo disc with the House of Flying Daggers scene were the girl is slamming on the drums. lol watch as close to reference level as you can. It so amazing. lol it pretty much makes most things sound good. It's so clean/tight and can get loud. Go through your favorite albums. Try near field placement too. I still have a big stupid grin on my face

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Place the MBM behind your sitting position, or next to your sitting position as an endtable. And place your true sub on the front left side of your room for the most powerful lows and mid bass imaginable!

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