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post #91 of 113 Old 05-30-2008, 11:13 PM
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I actually saw the $6,000 price on a website. Like I said, that site no longer lists J L Audio. I had to see it for myself. It was exactly $6,000. I didn't look into it any further as I was not in a position to spend $6,000 on a subwoofer.

When certain high end items do not sell...guess what happens to MSRP?

The MSRP has not changed. Perhaps that one store just couldn't sell any. A store near me has sold several Gothams.
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The MSRP has not changed. Perhaps that one store just couldn't sell any. A store near me has sold several Gothams.

I guess I was not as clear as I could have been. I understand that the MSRP on the Gotham has not changed from $11,000. My point is that when a product does not sell for its suggested price, one way to move that inventory is to reduce the selling price by 45% off of the MSRP. Check my math, but I think that the $6,000 selling price is ~45% off of the MSRP.

The Gotham is a "statement" piece. For every Gotham sold how many F113s, F112's, F110's, and F212's do you think that J L Audio is going to sell?
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I actually saw the $6,000 price on a website. Like I said, that site no longer lists J L Audio. I had to see it for myself. It was exactly $6,000. I didn't look into it any further as I was not in a position to spend $6,000 on a subwoofer.

When certain high end items do not sell...guess what happens to MSRP?

Well we don't have to worry about that with the Gotham. I was put on a waiting list to get mine and had to wait well over a month to receive them. JL Audio had that many orders in front of mine.

By the way, I did pay considerably more than $6k for mine, even with a huge order along with it. And I did shop around in several surrounding states as well. The best deal I could find was the one I got through a custom installer.

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agree. its like saying "how many speakers can wilson actually sell at 125k price". problem is that theres like 6 months backorder, so yeah, i don;t think anyone is losing money.

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Here are a couple of youtube videos of my Gotham subs in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5tdPhaNAUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pnaf337YU0

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I just called my usual AV dealer to inquire about what HT JL Audio subs they had in stock. He said that they have several subs of all flavors in stock. When I asked if they had a Gotham he got really excited. He said that they have had a demo model in stock for a really long time that they haven't been able to sell. He wouldn't say over the phone what price he would sell it to me for. I said I would need more than 50% off because this sub is pretty much the same as 2 f113s. He said he would go lower than that to get it out of his inventory. What should I expect to pay for a demo Gotham? I am thinking no more than 5K, but I am hoping for even less since it is a demo model.

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why would they sell the demo, has the Gotham been discontinued ?

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I just called my usual AV dealer to inquire about what HT JL Audio subs they had in stock. He said that they have several subs of all flavors in stock. When I asked if they had a Gotham he got really excited. He said that they have had a demo model in stock for a really long time that they haven't been able to sell. He wouldn't say over the phone what price he would sell it to me for. I said I would need more than 50% off because this sub is pretty much the same as 2 f113s. He said he would go lower than that to get it out of his inventory. What should I expect to pay for a demo Gotham? I am thinking no more than 5K, but I am hoping for even less since it is a demo model.


Counsil,

If you're serious about it I'm sure when and if you go into the store really ready to purchase it you'll get a good deal on the Gotham.
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why would they sell the demo, has the Gotham been discontinued ?

I got the distinct impression that they got one in stock thinking it would sell, but never did. Simple as that.

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I'm about 98% sure that the gotham has not been discontinued. Speaking with Carl Kennedy from JL, he was hinting around that they're just getting their next run of drivers together. I wouldn't worry too much if you're looking for one.
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The JL Gotham definitely hasn't been discontinued, 100% certain of that, it's just a rare item that isn't nearly as mainstream as the Fathom product line. The fact that the JL Fathom f113 thread has 6,780 posts and the JL Gotham g213 thread has 101 posts, with the previous post made 5.5 years ago, shows just how wide the demand margin is between product lines.

After years of patience and deliberation, I ordered a pair this summer from my local dealer, Sound Concepts. I know first hand just how few pictures exist of the JL Gotham on this forum, so I'm going to share a few new ones. Also, Ryan Heringer, owner/founder of Sound Concepts, visited the JL Audio manufacturing facility a few weeks ago and he took pics of Gothams in production.

  • The first three pictures show a batch of Gothams being made during August 2014. I was told that they had 12 Gothams in the pipeline to fulfill an unusual flurry of Gotham orders.
  • Pics 4 & 5 show the 2014 labels (Editors' Choice Award for 6 years in a row + 2014 manufacturing date).
  • The last three pics show a new pair of 2014 Gothams integrated into my setup.

Still work in progress. When I finalize the positioning, I'll replace and remake virtually all of the cabling. Will update my system configuration page with the finalized pics when perfection is achieved.

I play music and movies at relatively low levels when compared to what these speaker are capable of, yet I appreciate that the Gothams produce a very clear, accurate, and deep bass when the signal calls for it. The difference between the f212 which I had previously and the g213 is not significant, but it does play a little deeper, the grills are so much easier to handle (the f212 grill was a burden to remove), and the units actually look better in person than the dozens of pictures I collected during my coveting and waiting period prior to ownership. I liked the small footprint of the f212 and was worried that the g213 would be too large for my room, but they fit just fine after some adjustments. Now my setup has gained symmetry in speaker positioning and I have peace of mind in knowing that better HT subs don't yet exist.

P.S.: The Gothams are very easy to slide around on your own with minimal effort once placed. Barry Ober of JL Audio explained that simply placing a cloth under the rubber feet will make moving the Gotham easier, and it most certainly did. The fact that the feet are a tripod arrangement makes tilting the Gotham on your own for cloth placement a remarkably trivial task. I was afraid that I would have to trouble friends every time I wanted to critique placement. The cloth trick only applies to smooth floors though. Pics 7 and 8 show the pieces of white cloth that I have left under one Gotham for positioning adjustments. I cut pieces from an old white t-shirt from the arm/shoulder area, that way it provides two layers of cloth.
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I just referenced the serial number of a 2008 Gotham which is #164, see attached pic. Mine are in the 350s, are sequential serials, & manufactured June 2014 (as seen above). Lets assume that Gotham production is in the 370s as of September 2014, and its well known that Gothams are usually sold in pairs. This tells us that there are approximately 185 households in the world with g213(s). There are currently 195 countries (sovereign nations) in the world, so there are 'almost' enough Gothams in circulation for there to be 1 pair per country. That is rare!

Based on the data we know and assuming that serial numbers were not skipped, we can also accurately extrapolate the following averages from 2008 to 2014:
2.66 units sold per month
31.94 sold per year
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I just referenced the serial number of a 2008 Gotham which is #164, see attached pic. Mine are in the 350s, are sequential serials, & manufactured June 2014 (as seen above). Lets assume that Gotham production is in the 370s as of September 2014, and its well known that Gothams are usually sold in pairs. This tells us that there are approximately 185 households in the world with g213(s). There are currently 195 countries (sovereign nations) in the world, so there are 'almost' enough Gothams in circulation for there to be 1 pair per country. That is rare!

Based on the data we know and assuming that serial numbers were not skipped, we can also accurately extrapolate the following averages from 2008 to 2014:
2.66 units sold per month
31.94 sold per year
Hello Neo,

Any reviews now that you have had the Gothams for a few months. I'm in the market for subs. Have been looking at F212 and Seatons, until I found these

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I posted updated Gotham pics here. As far as comparing Gothams to f212s, for a chunk of content, the f212 will probably perform like 90% of the Gotham so the f212s would be the better value when cost is a concern. The Gotham will play a bit deeper and a bit louder than the f212, but not night and day different (that's how Barry Ober of JL Audio explained it to me over the phone btw).

When the signal calls for it, the Gothams perform, and they do so with ease. Of course much of this is settings and positioning dependent and I'm sure a pro could set these up to hit harder and louder, but I tuned them to blend with my content and to be balanced (Gotham master level knobs set to 40% + bass level of receiver set to -10), not overpowering. I wanted clean, deep bass, the closest to perfection that the industry could provide, and I believe that has been achieved! The sofa being used for seating will noticeably shake, and I don't remember that happening before, at least not as obvious as it is now. I can honestly say that there aren't any subs that I covet out there for home theater or gaming, and owning the Gothams has put an end to the upgrade-itis, at least until JL Audio releases a Gotham v2.

About that quality. There's no humming, buzzing, tonal anomalies, popping, etc. They are quiet when turned on, and quiet when turned off. I hear unwelcome noise from my plasma (buzzing and occasional fans), receiver (fans), and power conditioner (buzzing), yet only silence from the Gothams until called for. The only reason I even know they are on is because the LED's of the Furman voltage regulators are on.

They look fantastic in person. The f212s were rather plain and boxy, though I did appreciate their tiny footprint, but the Gothams have nice curves, and distinctly curved heatsinks along with a welcome aluminum metal contrast (like with the Furman gear) and are far more pleasing to look at than the Fathom line, & I think most anyone/everyone would agree with that. They are of substantial size, and make my 50" display look small, but I have zero regrets with this purchase. I don't need 3 or 4 Gothams, 2 feels and sounds right. Instead of wondering how I can make the bass sound better, I enjoy content knowing that the bass is one of the best (if not the best) attributes of this home theater.
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Hi,
I am interested in buying 2 gotham subs, can someone suggest a good online dealer for these? Authorized dealer.
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I bought most of my HT equipment, including a new pair of JL Gothams, from Sound Concepts, a dealer that is a state over but is close enough to deliver by van without using a 3rd party carrier, so was able to avoid sales tax. Smaller items have been shipped to me, so it shouldn't be any different for you in that regard, as long as you cover shipping. They are consistently ranked in the top 20 installers in the nation by CEPro. Sound Concepts also performed the wiring/electrical for my home (dedicated 20amp circuit x3, on/off switches for these circuits x3, 3rd breaker box, fiber line x4, cat 7e Ethernet).

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hanks fo the recomendation. Will let you know how it goes. Anyone heard about Gotham version 2 being out this December? If so what are the differences?
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I'd be willing to bet the farm that no consumer will own a Gotham v2 this year. The Fathom v2 line was officially announced over a year ago and didn't begin shipping until sometime in August 2015, roughly 1 year later. If that's any indication, even if a Gotham v2 is announced in December, it will be nearly 2017 before they actually begin shipping.

The differences? According to JL Audio regarding the Fathom v2 line:
  • Dimensions and cosmetics are unchanged, other than a rearrangement of the rear panel connections.
  • We have made some slight tweaks to some of the drivers, mostly suspension-related.
  • 20% more amplifier power
  • All-DSP processing, including 18-Band Digital ARO (automatic room optimization). Feature set is the same as the v1's.

I'd expect a minimum of something along the lines of the Fathom refresh, but would hope they would take it even further considering this is their flagship. And according to my local dealer, an increase in MSRP by $3k, so $30k MSRP for a pair of JL Gotham v2s. Sounds exciting, I'm looking forward to hearing about the finalized specs!
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Looks like I would have lost the farm. JL Audio is now offering their Gotham v2. Same cabinet, control panel, weight, dimensions and cabinet design as Gotham v1. Price increase of 25% MSRP, from $12k to $15k.

The improvements I notice:
  1. An increase of 18.4% in RMS power, from 3800W to 4500W.
  2. Slightly different rear panel, as in all of the same connections & switches, but has a revised layout.
  3. Has v2 stamp on aluminium front finish.
  4. And the main benefit being the built-in Digital Automatic Room Optimization (D.A.R.O.)

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I like the power specs on some of these monster subs (NOT JUST JL AUDIO)

How can you get 4500 watts from a 20 amp 120v breaker?

Ok say you have a 60amp 240 (used primarily for larger HVAC units for current rush during turn on) that can produce 14400 watts so say the amp (class D) is 80% efficient that's about 11500 watts.

You would need #6 , probably #4 wire for that power.
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I am interested in buying 2 gotham subs, can someone suggest a good online dealer for these? Authorized dealer.
A&B TV out of Austin is where I got mine.
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I like the power specs on some of these monster subs (NOT JUST JL AUDIO)

How can you get 4500 watts from a 20 amp 120v breaker?

Ok say you have a 60amp 240 (used primarily for larger HVAC units for current rush during turn on) that can produce 14400 watts so say the amp (class D) is 80% efficient that's about 11500 watts.

You would need #6 , probably #4 wire for that power.
You need to remember that audio signals are not 100% duty cycle, and breaker ratings are. A breaker will allow up to 10 times its rating for about 1 second and 2-3 times its rating for about 10 seconds, this is more than enough to run an effective ~5kw rms amplifier off 20 amp 120v with even very intense material.
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