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If you can fit it and can afford it, just get a 15" and be done with it. (maybe )

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If you can fit it and can afford it, just get a 15" and be done with it. (maybe )
I did no quite understand what he was talking about but today a guy I met in a stereo shop told me that I would be better off going with two HSU MK4s (12" woofer) rather than one HSU UL15 . It had something to do with the way the Martin Logan Motion 40s Floor Speakers are built that causes problems with the 15" subwoofers.

Any idea what that might be?
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I did no quite understand what he was talking about but today a guy I met in a stereo shop told me that I would be better off going with two HSU MK4s (12" woofer) rather than one HSU UL15 . It had something to do with the way the Martin Logan Motion 40s Floor Speakers are built that causes problems with the 15" subwoofers.

Any idea what that might be?
You didn't understand what he was talking about because he didn't understand what he was talking about. There is no reason a 12" would work better than a 15" with respect to bass. On the other hand two subs do have some real advantages over a single sub. One on one, I think the ULS-15 is a better sub, but I would rather have two VTF2s or VTF3s over a single ULS-15 if I had to choose. The best, of course, is dual ULS-15s.
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Im not sure why a sub would have any bearing on front speakers.

If you already had a VTF2 MK4, I say buy a second if you could. Since you are buying #1 , get a 15".

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Hsu speakers and consumer Dolby Atmos

I was thinking about the home version of Atmos and it occurred to me that Hsu's speaker line has a big advantage with respect to this Atmos. First of all, Atmos calls for either 'atmos enabled' speakers or ceiling speakers, both with the character of narrow dispersion. Well, the Hsu HIW in-wall speakers would work fine for a in-ceiling speaker, and, thanks to the horn, it has good controlled directivity, so well-controlled dispersion, which is a big plus with respect to the consumer version of Atmos. Atmos speakers are all about controlled directivity. No dipoles and no bipoles, just monopoles, so some HB-1s would serve well for surround speakers. Hsu is inadvertently in a very good position to offer an 'Atmos' package if they cared to.
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Right now all I want out of HSU research is to know when they are releasing a new sub. I'm happy with my 15H's but I could be convinced to trade up with proper incentive.

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They have been awfully quiet over there. Hsu has been in the game a long time, since 1991, so I wonder if the good Dr is looking to retire. Their last product introduction was in 2010 with the VTF15h, not counting the updates on the (minor) VTF subs. Hsu has only announced products when they are ready to ship though, so if they are working on something, they wouldn't talk about it. Personally, I am hoping they are cooking up something killer, but who knows. I'd love to see a serious update on the ULS-15 or maybe something like a ULS-12 (or ULS-18 [hey maybe a VTF18h!])
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I wish they'd go back to having more finish options.
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2 VTF 18H's for me, please.

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1)So how do you know how much output you need?  2) I thought the VTF-15H had less port noise than the VTF-F3s  .3) Also, I remember people saying that the they could FEEL the 15 more.

1)  As to your first question, that depends on the size of your room and what your listening habits/requirements are.
 
2)  I doubt the VTF-15 would have any less port noise than the VTF-3.  Dual 4" ports is A LOT of port area for a 12" sub, and I have not seen anything to indicate port noise on this sub is an issue.  It is barely an issue on its sister sub, the Outlaw LFM1-EX, and it has smaller ports.  This is not to say the VTF15 has an issue with port noise, although just about any ported sub can be made to generate port noise when pushed hard enough, although a well designed sub should not do so regularly.
 
3) I agree, you would be able to feel the 15 more if you played it loud enough that the VTF3 could not keep up.  The VTF15 has higher output.
I recently upgraded (albeit very slight of an upgrade) from a VTF-3 MK4 to a VTF-15H and here are my thoughts....

Yes, you definitely notice more a presence of the 15H over the VTF-3 Mk4. This is comparing both subs running in EQ2 Q 5 (both ports open)... Where I noticed most of my upgrade was EQ2 Q 7 (both ports open). This sub is just awesome and to my ears sounded much better than the Mk4. I never hated the VTF-3 Mk4 but I also wanted some a bit more! Unfortunately my room will not allow for a 2nd 15H which makes me sad.

Lastly, you can definitely tell a difference in port noise (as mentioned above) with EQ2 Q7 and both ports open. Demoing different scenes from Tron Legacy and War of the Worlds I noticed a cleaner sound that I was not getting with the VTF-3.
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2 VTF 18H's for me, please.
God, if they created a VTF18 that would really mess with me on upgrading! I watched Raid 2 yesterday and there is some LFE!

We say bayformers 4 at the theater, which has crappy bass, but I can tell there are a lot of scenes that will be fun at home with the blu-ray.

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God, if they created a VTF18 that would really mess with me on upgrading! I watched Raid 2 yesterday and there is some LFE!

We say bayformers 4 at the theater, which has crappy bass, but I can tell there are a lot of scenes that will be fun at home with the blu-ray.
I ordered Raid2 from Amazon yesterday. Never watched the first one.

Watched Transformers on release weekend and thought it was a horrible movie.

How would the 18H mess up your upgrading?
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"mess with me", as in, Id feel the need to buy more

Yeah, 4 was a letdown after 3, which was great IMO. 4 reminded me of 2 and how it was a little bit of a mess with a lot of holes. I hope it is just a product of trying to take the first 3 and move them into a new story without a whole reboot. We will see how 5 does.

There is so much to the story, and Prime needs to die at some point.

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There is so much to the story, and Prime needs to die at some point.

I'd rather not, Thanks.

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There is so much to the story, and Prime needs to die at some point.
As long as the franchise dies with him.
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Anybody notice how whenever somebody posts and says they are considering buying a Hsu sub, they seem to get talked out of it? I think people are really taken with the "free" shipping from the other companies. Personally I kinda respect the fact that Hsu doesn't BS people about shipping costs, but if it is costing them business, maybe they should just incorporate the shipping costs into the price like everybody else does. I do think being located in California is a disadvantage as far as that goes, as it seems like a lot of the audio enthusiasts are on the east coast and upper Midwest areas. (maybe because the weather keeps us inside more of the time)
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Anybody notice how whenever somebody posts and says they are considering buying a Hsu sub, they seem to get talked out of it? I think people are really taken with the "free" shipping from the other companies. Personally I kinda respect the fact that Hsu doesn't BS people about shipping costs, but if it is costing them business, maybe they should just incorporate the shipping costs into the price like everybody else does. I do think being located in California is a disadvantage as far as that goes, as it seems like a lot of the audio enthusiasts are on the east coast and upper Midwest areas. (maybe because the weather keeps us inside more of the time)



I can tell you that the shipping costs being put out there do hurt them when you go to place your order. When I ordered my first 15H, I was like...8 hundred and some odd dollars..not bad but then when everything totaled up it was over a grand. I did give it a second thought because of the extra shipping I could see there. Yes, I am on the east coast.


I too notice that people are talked out of ordering HSU subs and it's usually by the same people. Those who are PSA crazy or even worse, Rythmik crazy. They see those two names in these forums so often that they all they can manage to spit out.

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MY HSU VTF 15H arrived today

Holy moley is it both huge and beautiful. Found some circular furniture sliders at Home Depot that fit underneath the 4 rubber feet perfectly Got them to make it easier to turn as this thing is 100 pounds .. No sure if they will be of any sound benefit other than making is easier to move around room when attempting to do a sub crawl or to turn the sub a bit when tweaking something behind the sub is there any acoustic value or detriment to have the 4 rubber feet of the VTF 15H rubber feet sitting on top of some circular furniture sliders?

Will be doing hookups tomorrow. Got it in the rosenut finish.
My first sub and Im almost 60.... Have a couple Martin Logan 40s floor a Martin Logan 30 center and a Pioneer Elite VSX 70 AV receiver

Any advice for DVD movies, DVD Music, or CD music to test these out? A bit overwhelmed but excited too

Should I run the power cord into the same Pamamax Power Conditioner that the other components (TV-Blue Ray Player-Turntable-Cable box) are plugged into or in an outlet tow fee from the back of where I think my sub will end up (left hand corner of room) .

Dumb question but is there any reason to even have it plugged in when watching sporting events. It is using electricity.

Dumb Sub question # 2... Does the sub ONLY kick in during movies or CDs when the sound goes below 40 hz? I dont quite understand how it works with the floor speaker (Martin Logan 40s) which claim to get down to 40 hz. I guess it has something to do with crossover that Dr Hsu suggested setting at 80 Hz .but Im not sure what what really means as it relates what you hear from the two floors and one sub ..

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Dumb Sub question # 2... Does the sub ONLY kick in during movies or CDs when the sound goes below 40 hz? I dont quite understand how it works with the floor speaker (Martin Logan 40s) which claim to get down to 40 hz. I guess it has something to do with crossover that Dr Hsu suggested setting at 80 Hz .but Im not sure what what really means as it relates what you hear from the two floors and one sub ..
Your mains may be rated at 40hz but I would never cross them there unless you're absent of an LFE channel and even then I would see where my SPL was before I crossed them that low. I would actually cross your mains at 80hz and your sub at 100-120hz. It'll localize more at 120hz but you may not mind that. Give it a shot and keep tweaking with that Q and EQ modes on what you think sounds best. I would start (after a parametric EQ) running in EQ2 Q 7 (both ports open) then adjust from there. Consult the manual and play around with the settings. You'll find that sweet spot for your room and end up as a happy camper, I promise!

Okay now for your electricity? Don't worry about unplugging the sub, you paid good money for it--keep it plugged in! This is not a 220v appliance that's going to cost you mega dollar bills to run. I promise you it wont make a noticeable dent in that electrical bill.

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Will be doing hookups tomorrow. Got it in the rosenut finish.
My first sub and Im almost 60.... Have a couple Martin Logan 40s floor a Martin Logan 30 center and a Pioneer Elite VSX 70 AV receiver

Any advice for DVD movies, DVD Music, or CD music to test these out? A bit overwhelmed but excited too

Should I run the power cord into the same Pamamax Power Conditioner that the other components (TV-Blue Ray Player-Turntable-Cable box) are plugged into or in an outlet tow fee from the back of where I think my sub will end up (left hand corner of room) .

Dumb question but is there any reason to even have it plugged in when watching sporting events. It is using electricity.

Congrats on the sub. I know you will love it. I liked my first one so much that I bought a second one a month later.

I would just plug it directly into the wall. I have both of mine set up that way.

Also there should be a disc that came with the sub that will allow you to hear tones all the way down to 16hz if I remember correctly.

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Anybody notice how whenever somebody posts and says they are considering buying a Hsu sub, they seem to get talked out of it? I think people are really taken with the "free" shipping from the other companies. Personally I kinda respect the fact that Hsu doesn't BS people about shipping costs, but if it is costing them business, maybe they should just incorporate the shipping costs into the price like everybody else does. I do think being located in California is a disadvantage as far as that goes, as it seems like a lot of the audio enthusiasts are on the east coast and upper Midwest areas. (maybe because the weather keeps us inside more of the time)
I've wondered about that myself and I also think more people have heard of SVS over HSU Research. I eyeballed and read a lot of reviews from owners (as well as this thread) before early this year I decided to take the $1,700 and invest in a 5.1 setup. I have owned BIC, Klipsch, and Martin Logan speakers and I honestly prefer the sound of my HB1's over any of the prior speakers I have owned.

Having had the chance to compare my sub 15H with a PC13 Ultra (SVS) I can honestly say the biggest difference is going to be that sledge amp vs. the bash amp in my 15h. The PC13 will play louder and a bit harder but not any lower (to my ears). I try to promote HSU as much as I can to friends/family who appreciate the hobby as much as I do. Personally, I don't want HSU to get HUGE which could potentially lead to poor quality product options and cheaper construction.
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I've wondered about that myself and I also think more people have heard of SVS over HSU Research. I eyeballed and read a lot of reviews from owners (as well as this thread) before early this year I decided to take the $1,700 and invest in a 5.1 setup. I have owned BIC, Klipsch, and Martin Logan speakers and I honestly prefer the sound of my HB1's over any of the prior speakers I have owned.

Having had the chance to compare my sub 15H with a PC13 Ultra (SVS) I can honestly say the biggest difference is going to be that sledge amp vs. the bash amp in my 15h. The PC13 will play louder and a bit harder but not any lower (to my ears). I try to promote HSU as much as I can to friends/family who appreciate the hobby as much as I do. Personally, I don't want HSU to get HUGE which could potentially lead to poor quality product options and cheaper construction.
Nice setup! I've always wanted to hear the Hsu speakers. They seem like one of the best deals out there, plus they look damn cool.

I'm not surprised the PC-13 Ultra would hit a little harder than the VTF-15, it has a 1000 watt amp and costs much more.

Hsu strikes me as a company that is pretty content where they are. They've been around for a long time, and don't seem like they are looking to go on a big growth spurt anytime soon. They seem to have a slow and steady mentality.
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I can tell you that the shipping costs being put out there do hurt them when you go to place your order. When I ordered my first 15H, I was like...8 hundred and some odd dollars..not bad but then when everything totaled up it was over a grand. I did give it a second thought because of the extra shipping I could see there. Yes, I am on the east coast.


I too notice that people are talked out of ordering HSU subs and it's usually by the same people. Those who are PSA crazy or even worse, Rythmik crazy. They see those two names in these forums so often that they all they can manage to spit out.
I can see why the return shipping is so popular for SVS, it gives people some peace of mind when ordering something they can't hear beforehand. On the other hand, if you don't use it, you are paying for the people who do.

I ordered a VTF-2 Mk4 at the 4th of July sale price. It should be delivered today. Should be a nice upgrade from the STF-1 I've been using, especially in this tiny 11x11 room. Though I think people would be surprised what the baby Hsu can do in a small room.

My finalists were the Hsu, the Rythmik LV-12R, and the Reaction BPS-212. I like the tall, thin design of the Hsu and the Rythmik, in this little room the ability to double as an end table is handy. I figure the Hsu will perform as well as the Rythmik, but look a lot nicer doing it. I also like the down firing design. I know it's dumb, but it bugs me that Rythmik doesn't bother to include feet. I know they are trying to keep costs down, but at least stick some cheap rubber feet on there lol.
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Nice setup! I've always wanted to hear the Hsu speakers. They seem like one of the best deals out there, plus they look damn cool.

I'm not surprised the PC-13 Ultra would hit a little harder than the VTF-15, it has a 1000 watt amp and costs much more.

Hsu strikes me as a company that is pretty content where they are. They've been around for a long time, and don't seem like they are looking to go on a big growth spurt anytime soon. They seem to have a slow and steady mentality.
I speak as someone who has owned two Hsu subs for a year and a half....Slow is ok but stagnant is another. You have to feed your fan base every once in a whole and we haven't been eating lately like everyone else.

If I had the desire to upgrade my subs right now, I woud have no reason whatsoever to look at Hsu because I already have their top of the line. I also wouldn't feel that if I waited another 6 months that they would have anything new because no one says anything. Well not that I've seen anyhow.

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