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War of the Worlds is still my favorite. The lightning and pod emergence scenes are nuts.


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War of the Worlds is still my favorite. The lightning and pod emergence scenes are nuts.


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Oh yeah, from when they start out of the grounds and the next 3-4 minutes is wicked.

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I speak as someone who has owned two Hsu subs for a year and a half....Slow is ok but stagnant is another. You have to feed your fan base every once in a whole and we haven't been eating lately like everyone else.

If I had the desire to upgrade my subs right now, I woud have no reason whatsoever to look at Hsu because I already have their top of the line. I also wouldn't feel that if I waited another 6 months that they would have anything new because no one says anything. Well not that I've seen anyhow.
I do understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree. I was just making an observation. It seems Hsu is comfortable in their niche. I'm not big on brand loyalty, if a company doesn't have the product I need, I'll move on. They seem to have most of the bases covered, but I agree there could be room at the top of their lineup for a no holds barred ultra high performance sub. Even if they didn't sell in huge numbers it could act as an aspirational product to add prestige to the whole company, and as you said, excite the fan base.
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Hsu has never been about massive, expensive showpiece subs. For those who want a monster bass system, they would encourage a modular approach, ie multiple subs. If you want a killer sub from Hsu, get a ULS-15 quad drive. For a better system, just keep adding ULS-15s, as they are geared for this. Since they all have wireless receivers built in, you only need one sub out and one transmitter to hit them all. Also, since their roll off is gradual, you would eventually get usable bass down into the single digits with a bunch of ULS subs. Since they are not huge, they can easily be placed into optimal locations for smoothed response.
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It's easy to say expand your business model or mission statement, but, if it aint broke dont fix it .
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Hsu has never been about massive, expensive showpiece subs. For those who want a monster bass system, they would encourage a modular approach, ie multiple subs. If you want a killer sub from Hsu, get a ULS-15 quad drive. For a better system, just keep adding ULS-15s, as they are geared for this. Since they all have wireless receivers built in, you only need one sub out and one transmitter to hit them all. Also, since their roll off is gradual, you would eventually get usable bass down into the single digits with a bunch of ULS subs. Since they are not huge, they can easily be placed into optimal locations for smoothed response.
Great advice as that is exactly what I am shooting for!!!!

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It's easy to say expand your business model or mission statement, but, if it aint broke dont fix it .
Good point, but it is also dangerous to stand still in business, because the competition never does.
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Good point, but it is also dangerous to stand still in business, because the competition never does.

Amen.


Nothing against doing something and leaving it out there for consumers but when you don't come back into the market with something new fast enough, the customer is going to move on. I think the ID competition has been very active only past couple. I think PSA actually had these forums abuzz for quite some time before they released their Triax. That's always good for business.

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hey guys, i'm interested in HSU's mid bass module, but I was thinking, wouldn't a midbass module be the same as integrating mixed matched subs, as one sub would dig deep and the other wouldn't? How exactly do would you add a midbass sub to another sub that plays down to 17hz and what location would be ideal for this kind of sub? Thanks
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hey guys, i'm interested in HSU's mid bass module, but I was thinking, wouldn't a midbass module be the same as integrating mixed matched subs, as one sub would dig deep and the other wouldn't? How exactly do would you add a midbass sub to another sub that plays down to 17hz and what location would be ideal for this kind of sub? Thanks
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Hsu has never been about massive, expensive showpiece subs. For those who want a monster bass system, they would encourage a modular approach, ie multiple subs. If you want a killer sub from Hsu, get a ULS-15 quad drive. For a better system, just keep adding ULS-15s, as they are geared for this. Since they all have wireless receivers built in, you only need one sub out and one transmitter to hit them all. Also, since their roll off is gradual, you would eventually get usable bass down into the single digits with a bunch of ULS subs. Since they are not huge, they can easily be placed into optimal locations for smoothed response.
Interesting... How hard can you push the ULS15? I guess I have always thought of the ULS15 for those whose primary listening is music.
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Interesting... How hard can you push the ULS15? I guess I have always thought of the ULS15 for those whose primary listening is music.
The ULS-15 can be pushed pretty hard for music. The problem is there is an EQ boost down low which is meant for music, but movies can over tax pretty easily if sub is driven loud enough. For movies you will want to tone the deep bass boost down by bringing the ULF trim up to 50 Hz. But its mid bass output is actually on par with the VTF3, so it has no problems getting loud.
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It's easy to say expand your business model or mission statement, but, if it aint broke dont fix it .
Sounds like Ford, GM and Chrysler back in the 80's while Toyota, Nissan, and Honda started making better and better cars. Long live the Plymouth Reliant!

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Sounds like Ford, GM and Chrysler back in the 80's while Toyota, Nissan, and Honda started making better and better cars. Long live the Plymouth Reliant!

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Sounds like Ford, GM and Chrysler back in the 80's while Toyota, Nissan, and Honda started making better and better cars. Long live the Plymouth Reliant!
You can't apply the automobile industry to speakers and amps. AVR's are a little different because they do need yearly upgrades since they are more like tv's where new and non audio related features have to be added every year to keep people happy.

Now Im not against an 18" or 15 MKII, etc..., but on the flip side HSU is still doing fine. I'm sure improvements could be made to the VTF15H, which is still in it's first version, and they may be doing that as I post.

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You can't apply the automobile industry to speakers and amps. AVR's are a little different because they do need yearly upgrades since they are more like tv's where new and non audio related features have to be added every year to keep people happy.

Now Im not against an 18" or 15 MKII, etc..., but on the flip side HSU is still doing fine. I'm sure improvements could be made to the VTF15H, which is still in it's first version, and they may be doing that as I post.
You don't realize that we are agreeing. American car companies were resting on their laurels, not improving their cars, while others were moving forward with drastic quality, performance, and design improvements, leaving the big three in the dust. The point is, any company that stops improving their products will be left behind by those that do. Now, it looks like Hsu has a history of periodically updating their products as evidence by their Mk2 speakers, Mk3 and Mk4 subwoofers etc. There are a lot of new, high performing competition in the market currently however, such as the PB2000, XV15se, and Reaction Audio's PV15x. RA's sub has not been tested yet, but assuming a good design, the driver, amp, and cab of this sub promise some scary performance.

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HSU fans, I recently purchased a SVS PB12NSD. I like the sub for movies, but it lacks for music. I have to turn the sub level up in the AVR to really get any of the mid bass. I'm pondering sending the sub back and getting a VTF2 MK4. I hear the HSU subs are better for music and do really well for movies. Can anyone here confirm if the VTF2 would do any better in the mid bass realm for music? I am running my rxv567 in the 2.0 mode. Just some background info, I upgraded from a Bic H100. The H100 did pretty well for music, but was lacking with movies. Any help would be appreciated.
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My guess is the VTF2 will have a slight advantage above 30 Hz by maybe 2 dB, from comparing the available measurements between the two subs, but the SVS will have a real advantage in the 20s Hz range. I don't think it would be a big enough upgrade to the trouble over. The VTF3, on the other hand, looks to have a pretty substantial output advantage, especially run in two ports mode.
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My guess is the VTF2 will have a slight advantage above 30 Hz by maybe 2 dB, from comparing the available measurements between the two subs, but the SVS will have a real advantage in the 20s Hz range. I don't think it would be a big enough upgrade to the trouble over. The VTF3, on the other hand, looks to have a pretty substantial output advantage, especially run in two ports mode.
I kind of wondered as much. I still have my H100. I thought about putting a line filter on to lock it out at 80hz-50hz. The H100 does pretty good for the mid bass. I would have the pb12nsd set for 80hz down to its floor(19hz).
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The SVS and the Hsu both measure pretty flat, so the output differences at various frequencies shouldn't matter much except at very high volumes. Lower end subs often have a hump in the mid-bass so that may be the difference you are hearing compared to the Bic.
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New to VTF-15

Just received my new VTF-15 - boy is it pretty big! I have some tuning to do - the Yamaha YPAO wouldn't auto setup unless I turned down the sub volume to almost the 3 Oclock position (the HSU manual says to set it at 9 Oclock). But then I ended up turning it back up after auto setup. I think I'm best to let me ears decide.

This is being used in a system that already has 2 NHT SW2Pi subs that go down I think to about 30 Hz or a tad lower. I'd like the HSU to extend as low as possible and I play at relatively high volumes (although its a smallish room - 15x15 ish). It seems like for that the one port open config is best - is that correct ? I'm not sure what the EQ setting should be or really what the term "Headroom" means in the docs.
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3 o'clock is way louder than 9 o'clock lol. 12 o'clock would be halfway.
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Unless you are used to clocks that run backwards, 9 o'clock is going to be on the left, 3 o'clock on the right. The 9 o'clock position (recommended by the manual) is about 1/4 turn from off.
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Just received my new VTF-15 - boy is it pretty big! I have some tuning to do - the Yamaha YPAO wouldn't auto setup unless I turned down the sub volume to almost the 3 Oclock position (the HSU manual says to set it at 9 Oclock). But then I ended up turning it back up after auto setup. I think I'm best to let me ears decide.

This is being used in a system that already has 2 NHT SW2Pi subs that go down I think to about 30 Hz or a tad lower. I'd like the HSU to extend as low as possible and I play at relatively high volumes (although its a smallish room - 15x15 ish). It seems like for that the one port open config is best - is that correct ? I'm not sure what the EQ setting should be or really what the term "Headroom" means in the docs.
Wow? You're way to high on your gain. You should turn it down to 9 o clock and you'll probably end up at about 8ish after you propertly eq the sub. Trust the mic over your years and try to get it dialed in that way.

One port open EQ1 Q 0.7 is where you should have the sub when you initially EQ the sub on your AVO/AVR. After your EQ you can mess with the Q controll and different EQ modes. This is a process that should take you some time. Get a good movie or listen to some music with a fair amount of LFE. I would say it took me a good week to get my VTF-3 MK4 dialed in and a few days to get the 15H perfect. Some like the sub where you have it, I personally prefer EQ2 (two ports open) and about Q 5.5 myself but whatever sounds best to you. I would probably say the first thing you need to do is dial your gain way, get a better EQ on your sub, then muck with the EQ settings and Q controll. If you want to run your sub hot, adjust it in the AVR/AVO - don't mess with the gain knob on the back of the sub after you get a good EQ.

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Thanks for the advice and scolding on the clock hand positions...

I was confused in a couple ways but mostly because I assumed the gain knob low setting was at 1 o'clock going up to high at 11 o'clock, when its actually 7 o'clock is low going up to 5 o'clock as high.

Everything's cool now and in the process of fine tuning as BigDonk suggests.

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Easiest way to look at it is, turn it all the way counter clockwise (when facing it) and it is at it's lowest point. Move up from there. Mine is roughly 9'oclock on both subs, coming up a qtr turn or so from 7. I also then boost 10db in the AVR after Audyssey sets their level.

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