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post #1 of 36 Old 04-10-2007, 06:46 PM - Thread Starter
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Hello everyone, I have an Athena Micra sound system rigged up to my Yamaha htr 5930. The subwoofer is moderate, but i feel that it just cant keep up with my speakers! So I found the "Polk Audio Monitor Series PSW12" for $179 is this a good deal? Would this blend with my athena speakers or would it just completely obliterate them? After all a 12" sub compared to 8" is a big difference.
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The low end PolkAudio subs have poor extension and impose their own colorations on sound.

I would look for a better quality sub. AV123 X-sub or a small HSU VTF or STF series sub.You will leave the lower end Polk subs in the proverbial dust.

Just to mention I had dual Polk PSW404 and 505 subs,and even trying as hard as I could they never disapeared,always called the attention! A Sunfire low cost D series mashes them in performance.

AV123,HSU and SVS you may spend more byt you have a far better sub in the end.

Just my two cents here.

Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.
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I think the blending of a subwoofer has alot to do with the room and the overall settings. That being said, you'll certainly have more impact and boom...whether thats positive or negative is up to you and your neighbors.

Polk Audio isn't well known for their subwoofers, hey, you can't win them all. I think the low end D series Sunfire is a reach and lame considering the company lineage.

HSU, SVS and AV123 are all great suggestions. The Dayton series of subwoofers is also a nice choice and you can get some satisfaction by building it yourself. That's truly cool in my book.

Either way, good luck and let us know what you choose

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Thanks for all the replies. Yes all I'm really looking for is a big boom, but not a muddy mess! Also i heard that the Polk is better than the Dayton 12" is this true? Having said that do you think the 12" is as fast as my 8"?
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Hey Kaiser, I have owned 2 polk subs...the psw303 and the psw250. The 250 crapped out for no reason and I just stopped using the 303 due to the constant noises it made and the fact that I had gotten a better Velodyne CHT10. I started out with the polks as my first subs...the psw250 I had gotten for free when I purchased some polk speakers and I got the psw303 soon after because it was better than the 250 and at the time thought I should stick with polk subs since I had polk speakers...after some time and doing research on this forum I became much smarter in the audio/video department.

Now I have been using a SVS pb12+2 as my main sub and have placed the Velodyne cht10 in my bedroom to use there...the polk is put away in the storage room. I do think that polk makes decent speakers depending on which series you get...I still use my Rti series polks that I have had for years. My advice to you would be to just avoid the polk subwoofers and you would be better off in the long run. From my experience with SVS...I don't think you can go wrong with them.

**ps**Dont beleive that stuff you might have heard about a smaller woofer being faster than a larger one...its not true.

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Ok, thank you Brian27, that helped allot. So from your summary of Polk subwoofers you would recommend the SVS brand. Are there any SVS subs in my price range? preferably $200 and under. Thanks again I'm learning allot so any comment is appreciated.
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Ok, thank you Brian27, that helped allot. So from your summary of Polk subwoofers you would recommend the SVS brand. Are there any SVS subs in my price range? preferably $200 and under. Thanks again I'm learning allot so any comment is appreciated.

The cheapest SVS is the NSD-10 which runs about $429. However, they have some overstocks selling for $375.

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Wow lol that is just a little bit over my $200 price range, but thanks for the info. Any one no of any good sub $200 subwoofers?
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Wow lol that is just a little bit over my $200 price range, but thanks for the info. Any one no of any good sub $200 subwoofers?

If you the search the forum, there have been several threads. Off the top of my head here are some options:

BIC H100
AV123 X-sub
HSU STF-1

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I like the look of the AV123 X-sub for only $199. Its only 8" does this matter? I believe my current sub is about 75watts, and this one is 150watts, should leave the Athena in dust, hopefully.
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What are your room dimensions including ceiling height? If your room is large, then you may be better with the BIC H100. Craigsub will be running some tests this weekend, and may shed some light how these two subwoofers compare.

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My room is-

Ceiling height is about 8ft.

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My room is-

Ceiling height is about 8ft.


The x-sub should do fine in that room. Their finishes are beautiul and AV123's customer service is excellent.

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By the way i listen to 70% Rap/ Hip-Hop music and 30% Alternative rock etc... For movies i tend to watch categories such as Gladiator (which is amazing in DTS) and Black Hawk down etc... If this helps!
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Ooops im sorry "Jhan" i didnt see your reply. So this thing will be a significant increase in performance over the Athena? If so ima snatch one em up lol
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From your posted pic I would suggest the B-C corner, or near field, for possible effect. You won't know for sure til you EQ, SPL, crawl test it. HTH

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A b-stock sub might help you as well.

Where are the doors, openings to other areas?
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My room is-

Ceiling height is about 8ft.


I,m not sure if your pic is accurate... but if so, you will need to bring that left speaker up in line with the right speaker so that they would be the same distance from you and so that you can get good imaging etc...

About the sub...Partsexpress.com has subs you can order that you can put them together yourself and save money...they are pretty much put together already really...all you need is a screwdriver basically. I have not heard these subs myself but maybe someone here has and can let you know how they are...the brand of the subs are Dayton.

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B/C section is a pretty tight squeeze not sure if it will fit there! any suggestions? and dont mind if i ask what a b-stock sub is? and what is a crawl test?

Here is the updated picture of the doors etc:

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Ok thanks Brian for your response Yes the speakers are in line I just messed the picture up slightly. But I have been on partsexpress.com before, and seen their semi-built subs. If any one has any info on these it would be nice.

I have a question about my rear speakers. The one on the right is off the ground about 2.4ft, and angles down to where my ears are when i listen. The one on the left is about 1.8ft off the ground and at about ear level maybe a little short. Does this matter? Should they be at the same height? Thank you for all the help.
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Ok thanks Brian for your response Yes the speakers are in line I just messed the picture up slightly. But I have been on partsexpress.com before, and seen their semi-built subs. If any one has any info on these it would be nice.

I have a question about my rear speakers. The one on the right is off the ground about 2.4ft, and angles down to where my ears are when i listen. The one on the left is about 1.8ft off the ground and at about ear level maybe a little short. Does this matter? Should they be at the same height? Thank you for all the help.

I would say they should be the same hight etc.. I would also have them pointing straight and not angled down toward you...they will be more distracting or would call to much attention to them when pointing down at you...especially since they are only about 2ft. above your ears. Check out Dolby.com's speaker setup tips and try to get your speakers as close as you can to they're pic.

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Ok, will do Brian, thanks for the info. Any more info on the subwoofer?
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I guess what I need to ask if this sub will kick hard enough for hip-hop/rap music? When my friends come around I always like to show what the system can do! as I'm sure we all do
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Yea...I think that with most rap music the bass tends to be around the 40ish hz. If I were you I would look to get at least a 12in sub or larger.

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Yeh, but a 12" sub and larger would probably kill the sound of the Athena Micra speakers which were made for a 8" sub wouldn't it? idk, the BIC H100 looks like it can pack a pretty big punch what you guys think? or shall i stick with the X-Sub?
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Any one have any views on this? I suppose if my current subwoofer is in the 80watt range and that doesn't do too bad, Then the x-sub with 150watts and superior quality should by far outdo my current sub.
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Keep in mind that that is a ~ 3 dB power differential. Now you will also have to deal with the driver efficiency. A lot of will be influenced by the placement and room
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Ok so what are you sayin that its more about where you place the sub than anything else?
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No, what I'm saying that there are other factors involved. Just one factor cannot necessarily tell all.
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Ok, well thanx for the input i will take that into consideration. I think ill go with the x-sub as i have found rave reviews for it, which in my mind says it all.
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Yeh, but a 12" sub and larger would probably kill the sound of the Athena Micra speakers which were made for a 8" sub wouldn't it? idk, the BIC H100 looks like it can pack a pretty big punch what you guys think? or shall i stick with the X-Sub?

No...it in no way would kill the sound...all you have to do is make sure you place the sub right and adjust the volume correctly on the sub to match the volume of the other speakers. I think a 8" sub would probably be too small for your room and would not fill it with enough bass...which in turn would'nt impress your friends...you said you wanted to be able to show them what your system could do, so...get a 12 or larger, you'd be happier.

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