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Does it make sense?

Of course NOT.

If a person says "I really enjoy using this cable" that's fine.
When a company starts making up nonsense science - that not fine.

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The only thing that makes a cable directionall are the terminations on the cable (ie: they are different terminations).

Which is the opposite of what a unbalanced interconnect should have. The most important thing of a good interconnect is a heavy braided shield. Lots of copper in the neutral conductor helps reduce ground loop current noise. The directional cables connect the shield at one end only and use a very small wire for the neutral conductor.

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Hi Guys,

I came across these cables in stereophile Jan 2010 issue, how good are these

http://www.latinternational.com/inde...f%20ic-50.html

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Other than being over-priced by almost $50 what would make them better or worse than an other interconnect?

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ok so now what cable would you recomend that is made the same way as the ones i have mentioned and perform better than the ones i mentioned at a cheaper price.?

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ok so now what cable would you recomend that is made the same way as the ones i have mentioned and perform better than the ones i mentioned at a cheaper price.?

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Same performance, $45 cheaper. There is a reason this has been mentioned already by the way.
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My Current 7.1 Set-Up
(2) Monitor Audio RS8'S: Fronts
(2) Monitor Audio RS8'S: Rear back
(1) Monitor Audio RSLCR: Centre channel
(2) Monitor Audio RSFX: Surrounds sides
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Hi guys,

What is the benefit of the Y adapter cable for the subwoofer? Will it sound better using both R & L inputs? or just using the one input?

This is the cable i went with, very solid
http://www.atlona.com/4M-13FT-ATLONA...E-p-16681.html

The pdf file shows you the layers of the cable.

To all iam finally getting my subwoofer next week. I went with the sub25

My Current 7.1 Set-Up
(2) Monitor Audio RS8'S: Fronts
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(1) Monitor Audio RSLCR: Centre channel
(2) Monitor Audio RSFX: Surrounds sides
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Save yourself more money.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

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I did get one and I showed it to a dealer and compared the two the atlona is better. My hook up would not mis lead me in anyway

But what is the advantage of a Y adapter anyone

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Probably a big dis-advantage!
Pre-amp and receiver line level outputs don't like being "Y"ed together.
Each channel output sees the other channel as a short circuit.

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See Rane app. note:

http://www.rane.com/note109.html

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thanks for the link

My Current 7.1 Set-Up
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(2) Monitor Audio RSFX: Surrounds sides
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hi,

in the link i attached which explain their tec it talks about time aliagned and what it means go to page 5 and down is where it starts

tell me if all that makes sense, the guy i get my cables from swears by them and many ther people in the industry according t to him. I know what ur going to say but he is a friend of the wife

Do you have any idea how much capacitance a cable has to have and how long it has to be to produce a 6dB dip in the response-especially with a "balanced" cable-which RCA connectors cannot provide?

I would love to see a normal cable that has that much drop.

I guess by simply making the cables short keeps them "time aligned".

BTW I wonder if they realize the term "time aligned" is a patented term?

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Do you have any idea how much capacitance a cable has to have and how long it has to be to produce a 6dB dip in the response-especially with a "balanced" cable-which RCA connectors cannot provide?

I would love to see a normal cable that has that much drop.

I guess by simply making the cables short keeps them "time aligned".

BTW I wonder if they realize the term "time aligned" is a patented term?

LL good one

I went with much cheaper cables that does the same thing Atlona cables. Ultra link are good cables, but when it came to all this time alignes stuff i had to ask, even dealers do not know all the information about their products they sell.

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I'd use this, and save $115 http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I highly doubt you will ever hear any difference in SQ. High priced cables are a marketers dream.

Monoprice also sells inexpensive XLR cables...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Why second guess yourself when for under $10 you can buy an XLR and be done w/it...
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Monoprice also sells inexpensive XLR cables...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Why second guess yourself when for under $10 you can buy an XLR and be done w/it...

I bought 6' and 50' XLR cable from Monoprice for my JL Fathom sub. With the 50 footer I get a loud hum from my sub but not with the 6 footer. I tried a 25' RCA Monster subwoofer cable (the longest I have) and no hum. My conclusion is either I received a bad cable or the XLR from Monoprice is no good for longer distances. Not well shielded. Can someone suggest a good 50' subwoofer cable? I need to run this under carpet and I need a low profile but well shielded sub cable.

I want to hear opinions from people who don't have a dog in the fight.
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I just replaced my single ended cables as well with XLRs from Monoprice. I bought various lengths. The sub received a 15 footer I also bought an XLR to RCA 6ft cable to daisy chain my subs. One use a pro amp with balanced inputs only and I used it's loop output to connect the other sub which has single ended inputs only. The rest were 6ft, and one the right front channel received 10ft one. I use monoblock amps so one was placed farther away from the rack, and closer to the corresponding speaker. Before the swap out I had quiet q bit of buzz coming from the main LR speakers, and a faint hum from the subs. There was also sometimes a loud pop when my Pre/pro locked onto some digital signal for the first time after selecting any input. After the swap out all of the problems I just described went away, so naturally I'm pleased and it cost very little to do it, even with the BS high sales tax we have to pay here in CA.

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XLRs always provide greater connection security than do RCA connections, regardless of the length of the cables.
I'm contemplating whether to use an AudioQuest Sub-1 RCA or XLR interconnect cable? I need at least 9ft minimum to connect Marantz AV8801 SUB1 OUT-to-JL Audio F110 SUB INP.
http://www.audioquest.com/subwoofer-cables/sub-1
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I'm contemplating whether to use an AudioQuest Sub-1 RCA or XLR interconnect cable? I need at least 9ft minimum to connect Marantz AV8801 SUB1 OUT-to-JL Audio F110 SUB INP.
http://www.audioquest.com/subwoofer-cables/sub-1
Buying anything from Audioquest is money down the drain. Before you resurrected this thread from the dead did you read it? rolleyes.gif

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XLRs always provide greater connection security than do RCA connections, regardless of the length of the cables.
I'm contemplating whether to use an AudioQuest Sub-1 RCA or XLR interconnect cable? I need at least 9ft minimum to connect Marantz AV8801 SUB1 OUT-to-JL Audio F110 SUB INP.
http://www.audioquest.com/subwoofer-cables/sub-1

Wow is this an old thread.

What I and many others point people to are cables using quality connectors and cable. I've chased more than a few intermittent connections in some cheap alternates after they see a little bit of handling and time. I feel these are well worth the premium over the cheapest options and are still quite reasonable.

Markertek Premium Canare Star-Quad XLR M-F cables

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What I and many others point people to are cables using quality connectors and cable. I've chased more than a few intermittent connections in some cheap alternates after they see a little bit of handling and time. I feel these are well worth the premium over the cheapest options and are still quite reasonable.

Markertek Premium Canare Star-Quad XLR M-F cables
thanks for your input. I'm from the same camp, that is-- obtaining higher-quality product-line. I'm already using AudioQuest ("snakes") interconnects for all other XLR connections. I figured I would use matched product-line for sub XLR connection. Was just thinking to buy another AudioQuest stereo (XLR) pair as it is less expensive than a single Sub-1 XLR sub interconnect. Did'nt really know if a dedicated "sub" XLR interconnect (as in the AudioQuest Sub-1) would yield any performance increase over a regular AudioQuest XLR interconnect of the same line.

These TecNec brand XLR's look intriguing (especially for the price). I'm sure they will do the job just fine.

I also considered MonoPrice (similiar price range as TecNec).
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What I and many others point people to are cables using quality connectors and cable. I've chased more than a few intermittent connections in some cheap alternates after they see a little bit of handling and time.
So have I, for 47 years now, and it always comes down to the connectors. For me it's Switchcraft or Neutrik. Cable wise spending more than what you pay for Belden doesn't get you any better result or durability.

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These are not cheap but well made http://www.bettercables.com/silver-xlr-cables-single.aspx. I use the 1 meter XLR cable from prepro to amp .
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These are not cheap but well made http://www.bettercables.com/silver-xlr-cables-single.aspx. I use the 1 meter XLR cable from prepro to amp .
They look like Neutrik connectors, which is good. But no cable is worth paying more than a dollar a foot plus the connector cost. As for the claimed benefits for silver in particular, it has 5% better conductivity than copper. That means for the same current capacity copper needs to be 5% larger in gauge, or for the same insertion loss copper needs to be 5% shorter in length. That's comparing solid silver wire to copper; these are just silver plated. As for what really counts, how it sounds, there's no difference.

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