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Holy crap. I guess I better sit tight for a few weeks. That's an even better sub at a great price.

You can always look for B-stock for $574 shipped. But yes, outstanding value. Just remember it is bigger than the Plus.
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It is big but really love this bass haven't even peeled the paper off the top yet.Plan on getting a tempered piece of glass cut for top.
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Can anyone please tell me the shipping dimensions of LFM1-EX? I had just bought it in the recent promo for USD 549 and it has been delivered to my US address. I'm looking to get it shipped to India, but the courier has quoted me for shipping 70 kgs whereas the actual weight is only 40 Kgs. I know that they use volumetric weight instead of the actual weight, but I didn't realise the difference would be so huge. Thanks in advance!!

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Found an interesting read/thread from craigsub relating to the EX ... he considers it a contender in the $600-$700 class .... as we all know, and beyond .... craigsub once reviewed a bunch of subs.... I believe he has his own line of (CS) subs.

http://www.chasehometheater.com/foru...read.php?t=547
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You can always look for B-stock for $574 shipped. But yes, outstanding value. Just remember it is bigger than the Plus.

B stock?

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Can anyone please tell me the shipping dimensions of LFM1-EX? I had just bought it in the recent promo for USD 549 and it has been delivered to my US address. I'm looking to get it shipped to India, but the courier has quoted me for shipping 70 kgs whereas the actual weight is only 40 Kgs. I know that they use volumetric weight instead of the actual weight, but I didn't realise the difference would be so huge. Thanks in advance!!

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Man, I'm gonna sit and watch out for one of these EX promos.
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B stock?

B-stock. These are generally customer returns, when they are available. You have to watch that page regularly to catch one.

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Thanks, I missed the link while snooping.
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You know I think my EX looks smaller now than when I originally got it.
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So finally a used LFM-2 pops up and it's pick-up only on eBay. Crap. I was really looking forward to having dual LFM-2 subs for my setup. (plus on top of the no shipping the guy wants $200 for it. I'd pay that much knowing how good the LFM-2 is but not for a second one when I paid $125 for my first one...)

For those looking into getting Energy speakers, or upgrading their current Energy setup, here are some reviews I've written that may help:http://www.tempestaudio.blogspot.com  (haven't updated in a while, but include Energy Take Classic 5.1, RC-10, CF-70, and CC-10)

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So finally a used LFM-2 pops up and it's pick-up only on eBay. Crap. I was really looking forward to having dual LFM-2 subs for my setup. (plus on top of the no shipping the guy wants $200 for it. I'd pay that much knowing how good the LFM-2 is but not for a second one when I paid $125 for my first one...)

This is all misdirected interest when you know want one of the 12" subs Why not get the Plus now (or when on sale) and use the LFM-2 that you have near field? Avoid the future buy/sell upgrade path. Leave the Plus in max output so that you aren't sending a lot more additional lower frequencies to your neighbors. Then later on when you get a house, you can get an EX and use the Plus near field.

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This is all misdirected interest when you know want one of the 12" subs Why not get the Plus now (or when on sale) and use the LFM-2 that you have near field? Avoid the future buy/sell upgrade path. Leave the Plus in max output so that you aren't sending a lot more additional lower frequencies to your neighbors. Then later on when you get a house, you can get an EX and use the Plus near field.

Haha that's probably true. I'm just so worried I'll make our apartment building implode with that monster sub. The LFM-2 can get plenty loud and is quite a beast for an 8", so I can only imagine how the 12" Outlaws will shake the place!

Decisions, decisions. There is an LFM-1 Plus on Audiogon for a decent price that I could get (if I had the money), but I want to see where we end up moving after this lease is up before I get a larger sub.

But you can be sure my wife and I are sticking with Outlaw on this one! My wife LOVES the Outlaw sub we have, and she got all excited when I mentioned ours was the SMALLEST of the bunch. SHE told ME that we were getting the Plus or EX when we moved to a house, first thing. I found that kind of funny.

For those looking into getting Energy speakers, or upgrading their current Energy setup, here are some reviews I've written that may help:http://www.tempestaudio.blogspot.com  (haven't updated in a while, but include Energy Take Classic 5.1, RC-10, CF-70, and CC-10)

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But you can be sure my wife and I are sticking with Outlaw on this one! My wife LOVES the Outlaw sub we have, and she got all excited when I mentioned ours was the SMALLEST of the bunch. SHE told ME that we were getting the Plus or EX when we moved to a house, first thing. I found that kind of funny.

Lucky man!!! I wish my wife would say that. Mine says why do you have to spend $500+ for each subwoofer, why can't you just buy one or buy something that normal ppl would buy. Like a sub that costs $100. AND I JUST LAUGH, I tell her that she will understand when we get dual LFM-1 Plus's.

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Lucky man!!! I wish my wife would say that. Mine says why do you have to spend $500+ for each subwoofer, why can't you just buy one or buy something that normal ppl would buy. Like a sub that costs $100. AND I JUST LAUGH, I tell her that she will understand when we get dual LFM-1 Plus's.

Yeah. When I had the Energy Take Classic sub (before I sold it to make money to make up for getting the LFM-2), we ran them dual for a few minutes, and there was buzzing slightly, but still sounded much more full and my wife said if that's what it's like with the Outlaw sound vs. the boomy and much-more-crappy Energy Take Classic sub, then she wants TWO.

For those looking into getting Energy speakers, or upgrading their current Energy setup, here are some reviews I've written that may help:http://www.tempestaudio.blogspot.com  (haven't updated in a while, but include Energy Take Classic 5.1, RC-10, CF-70, and CC-10)

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I can probably stack 3 of my old subs together (2 normal and one on its side) to cover the footprint of the EX. My wife saw it and she said it was too big, send it back. It was my b-day present to myself, so she let it go.

Maybe for X-mas I'll get another, lol.
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I watched Despicable Me last night and, boy, was that bass thumping. I didn't expect the bass nor the movie to be that good. My sub has been sounding better the last couple of days. I've had it for about 3 weeks. Is there a break-in period?
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I watched Despicable Me last night and, boy, was that bass thumping. I didn't expect the bass nor the movie to be that good. My sub has been sounding better the last couple of days. I've had it for about 3 weeks. Is there a break-in period?

i've had mine for a month and a half to two months by now and feel like it does sound better/has more presence. Although i've read articles that say break in is a myth (well, partly (by the time it gets to your house its already broken in), read the article at Audioholics).
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i've had mine for a month and a half to two months by now and feel like it does sound better/has more presence. Although i've read articles that say break in is a myth (well, partly (by the time it gets to your house its already broken in), read the article at Audioholics).

Break in isn't a myth (at least for my Energy RC speakers. I have my dad and brother over about once every two weeks to play games and watch a few movies and they came over when I was unboxing them and then two weeks later, and about a month after they came for the unboxing my dad asked if I had changed any settings because they sounded much better.

I had thought so too but hadn't mentioned it to him, so when he voiced what I was thinking, I converted to the "break in theory." Before this I always thought everyone's ears just got used to the speakers.

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i've had mine for a month and a half to two months by now and feel like it does sound better/has more presence. Although i've read articles that say break in is a myth (well, partly (by the time it gets to your house its already broken in), read the article at Audioholics).

The reason I ask is because it does seem to sound better and I'm pretty sure that my previous Mirage Omni S8 manual did speak about a break-in period.
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Check out this article.

I would agree that part of the break-in is the user adjusting to the sound of speakers. Yet I'm not willing to doubt that there is some benefit to break in for any pair of speakers based on one test. The author does admit that he's testing "typical electrodynamic driver's operation as seen largely from the mechanical side." He's focused on testing the suspension. Are the Outlaw subs atypical in any way? With Macstatic's RC-10s, they do have Kevlar cones. Perhaps there is something about the material science of those materials that benefit from break-in?

Here's an interesting quote from another discussion about break-in at The Amp Garage:
"The other mode is the cone "nodes", which is areas of the paper cone that flex distinctly from one another, in response to constant or transient music information. This means waves of a sort, that move across the paper, or along its length. The paper cone behaves not so much like a piston, but rather more like a waving flag, or an Australian wobble board. The areas in the paper that must flex to allow this to happen will also become looser and more flexible over time, presumably this would make the speaker sound even more open and musical. This is pretty esoteric, I know, but it is a known effect in the violin world as the reason that a much-played high-quality instrument "settles in" and becomes alive after some years. As far as I know, the only way to work that angle is to play varying music through the speaker to get it "used to" the frequencies of music, and in particular the instrument it is intended for. "

It doesn't seem like the Audioholics article is testing for this. Where this effect (if it exists) might have an effect is when a speaker is producing multiple different notes at once or in close proximity to each other, not just some sine wave test.

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The problem with paper cones flexing and becoming looser over time is that the speaker can not possibly have been voiced for that effect. I doubt any audio R&D dept in the world would do that research. For that effect to improve the sound at all would be an accident, and also a matter of opinion.
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The problem with paper cones flexing and becoming looser over time is that the speaker can not possibly have been voiced for that effect. I doubt any audio R&D dept in the world would do that research. For that effect to improve the sound at all would be an accident, and also a matter of opinion.

True. But your assumption here is that speakers are simply designed for voicing much like a bridge is designed by engineers and then built and used without refinement. I suspect that major speaker R&D probably involves a lot of trial and error and testing with minor differences in the design to see the effects, not all of it being predictable. And among the best designers, some of it reaching art that goes beyond just engineering. With the Kevlar cone design of the Energy Speakers or the thick cone composition of a 12" sub, perhaps there is an initial break-in during which the cone material loosens most of how it will during its life (a non-linear response). It would be interesting to talk to a top speaker designer and see if that is an effect that they test for.

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As mentioned earlier, my previous sub was the Mirage Omni S8. Here is what the owner's manual states under the category "Break-in Period:"
"We strongly advise that you resist the temptation to play the Mirage speakers to their full capabilities...until they have been broken in. This process should last approximately 50 hours"
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Yeah. When I had the Energy Take Classic sub (before I sold it to make money to make up for getting the LFM-2), we ran them dual for a few minutes, and there was buzzing slightly, but still sounded much more full and my wife said if that's what it's like with the Outlaw sound vs. the boomy and much-more-crappy Energy Take Classic sub, then she wants TWO.

Wow. I wish my women was like that. Had a hard time getting her to let me go for a hsu vtf2.4 . Now she completely refuses to give me her graces on a potential lfm ex purchase hahah

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Lucky man!!! I wish my wife would say that. Mine says why do you have to spend $500+ for each subwoofer, why can't you just buy one or buy something that normal ppl would buy. Like a sub that costs $100. AND I JUST LAUGH, I tell her that she will understand when we get dual LFM-1 Plus's.

Wives are easy to convert. Once you get it hooked up, put on her favorite song. Right about half way through the song, shut the sub off.
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Wives are easy to convert. Once you get it hooked up, put on her favorite song. Right about half way through the song, shut the sub off.

I hope your right. I still think she will complain about the price tho.

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I hope your right. I still think she will complain about the price tho.

Buy her something comparable price-wise. Trust me, there will be no complaints.
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i gotta say, along with having the sub sound better over time, it seems like i've had to reduce the volume (through the receiver) a lot too. odd.
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Whats should I be shooting for on a used LMF-1? Theres one on CL in my area and I want to make an offer
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I hope your right. I still think she will complain about the price tho.

Yes, at first they don't understand/like the price. My wife never had any sort of nice A/V gear before me, so when we built our first house, she thought she was just being nice and letting me play by purchasing a big HDTV, surround gear, and a sub. She just wanted me to be happy.

I don't think it necessarily even registered with her that the sub was on or that the entire foundation of everything she was hearing was coming from that little box in the corner. But I started playing some Rascal Flatts and let her relax a listen to all of the audio goodness, then cut out the sub. She looked like I just let the air out of her and immediately wanted me to turn it back on. From that moment on, she LOVED the sub and blames me for ruining her because she can never go back now

The key is, if you can get the approval for the initial purchase, getting them nice and relaxed and enjoying their favorite album... then YANK.
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