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You guys are basically talking about an Outlaw version of the Hsu VTF15h, which would be cool. What I would also love to see is an sealed 18" with a high excursion driver, kind of like a Velodyne DD18, but under $2k. I don't need all that onboard digital EQing and a remote. Just give me good raw performance with a decent appearance and I'll take care of the rest.
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How Loud is the volume on the AVR and how hot are you running the subs?

At first the avr sub volume was at 7.5 then I switched it to 3.0. The gain on the subs is about 3.5 and the avr volume was around -17. I have watch a few movies with my original settings without issue. Only Immortals I had issues with. Also I must add that I am running the subs wireless so that might cut out a few dbs'.

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At first the avr sub volume was at 7.5 then I switched it to 3.0. The gain on the subs is about 3.5 and the avr volume was around -17. I have watch a few movies with my original settings without issue. Only Immortals I had issues with. Also I must add that I am running the subs wireless so that might cut out a few dbs'.

Did you try turning off audy? I ran my single ex (when testing for bottoming issues) 3db hot from -7 and didn't have any issues. Try running audy again

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Did you try turning off audy? I ran my single ex (when testing for bottoming issues) 3db hot from -7 and didn't have any issues. Try running audy again

I have a Yamaha avr and it uses ypao. I don't think you can turn that off. It only adjusts channel gain and not fq for the sub.

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Got some word from Outlaw... they said the EX's should be shipping by the end of the week!!
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Got some word from Outlaw... they said the EX's should be shipping by the end of the week!!

That's good news for you guys!

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Got some word from Outlaw... they said the EX's should be shipping by the end of the week!!

It's about time!
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It's about time!

That is good news. Any recommendation on the cable I should get to connect it up (or is that included)?
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I took the plus deal rather than wait for the EX. Anybody have an M8? Maybe paired with a Plus? I'm running mine pretty hot, mostly music thus far and no over extension or chuffing. Just intense bass paired with my old Onkyo HTib woofer via Y splitter. Large room, but now I've got the bug. Anybody using a gramma pad on carpet with a slab beneath? If so, list benefits?

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That is good news. Any recommendation on the cable I should get to connect it up (or is that included)?

Any rca cable can do the job. Check monoprice out for em

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I took the plus deal rather than wait for the EX. Anybody have an M8? Maybe paired with a Plus? I'm running mine pretty hot, mostly music thus far and no over extension or chuffing. Just intense bass paired with my old Onkyo HTib woofer via Y splitter. Large room, but now I've got the bug. Anybody using a gramma pad on carpet with a slab beneath? If so, list benefits?

I don't have carpet but raising the sub up did give it a punch and less room vibrations

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Any rca cable can do the job. Check monoprice out for em

Yep. Most people recommend these from Monoprice.

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yep. Most people recommend these from monoprice.

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Quick question for you guys concerning the dialing in of the Outlaw subs. I just picked up a Denon 3312ci and had to redo everything from scratch. Here were my settings:

Switch: On
X-Over: Bypass
Crossover Frequency: 180Hz (MAX)
Port Mode: Max Output
Phase: 0
Volume: 1.5

Ran Audyssey and got my sub at -1.0db.

Manually adjusted the following settings:

Cranked up Subwoofer to 1.0db
Set ALL speakers to SMALL (80Hz)

All was done properly, correct?

How many of you guys are running Max Output vs Bass extension? I followed some setup advice on here and tried the Max Output after using Bass extension for a while.

1. If i ran the Auto Step with Audyssey with Max Output, do i have to re-run again if i switched to Bass extension?

2. How "hot" can you bump up the channel level for the sub and still be safe?

The bass sounds good, but a little tame that what it was previously on my other receiver. Not sure if perhaps it was just never dialed in correctly and i am not used to what it "should" be sounding like.
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Quick question for you guys concerning the dialing in of the Outlaw subs. I just picked up a Denon 3312ci and had to redo everything from scratch. Here were my settings:

Switch: On
X-Over: Bypass
Crossover Frequency: 180Hz (MAX)
Port Mode: Max Output
Phase: 0
Volume: 1.5

Ran Audyssey and got my sub at -1.0db.

Manually adjusted the following settings:

Cranked up Subwoofer to 1.0db
Set ALL speakers to SMALL (80Hz)

All was done properly, correct?

How many of you guys are running Max Output vs Bass extension? I followed some setup advice on here and tried the Max Output after using Bass extension for a while.

1. If i ran the Auto Step with Audyssey with Max Output, do i have to re-run again if i switched to Bass extension?

2. How "hot" can you bump up the channel level for the sub and still be safe?

The bass sounds good, but a little tame that what it was previously on my other receiver. Not sure if perhaps it was just never dialed in correctly and i am not used to what it "should" be sounding like.

Yes it is setup coreectly

1. Not sure.
2. You can run it as hot as you want until you start hearing it bottom out.

I run both of mine in MO mode becasue my room is over 600 cubic feet and opens up to the dining room and kitchen. ME mode was not cutting it for me.

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Yeah, seriously! It would be nice if they could throw in an outlaw t-shirt for our patience.

Who else is waiting for their EX to ship?

I think the standard "customer service package" is a deck of cards and a cd case. I got a pack of cards and a cd case from them over my amp mix up (got the right cabinet with the wrong amp). Then when I did get my amp it didn't have a serial number so I got another cd case and deck of cards from them....
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1. If i ran the Auto Step with Audyssey with Max Output, do i have to re-run again if i switched to Bass extension?

Yes. Because that changes the frequency response, and Audyssey might run EQ filters differently to compensate.

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Quick question for you guys concerning the dialing in of the Outlaw subs. I just picked up a Denon 3312ci and had to redo everything from scratch. Here were my settings:

All was done properly, correct?

Hi joeycannoli, its not mention in your post but with MO remove the port plug (both ports open). For question #1, I agree with cel4145 rerun auto setup.
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Hi joeycannoli, its not mention in your post but with MO remove the port plug (both ports open). For question #1, I agree with cel4145 rerun auto setup.

Yes, the port plug was removed when trying out MO.

Which do you all prefer? MO or BE?

Thanks for all of the information and help guys. I love AVS
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Yes, the port plug was removed when trying out MO.

Which do you all prefer? MO or BE?

Thanks for all of the information and help guys. I love AVS

Me. Depends on room too

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Me. Depends on room too

All of my stuff is currently in a separate bedroom type of room. About 15'x15' in dimension with only one door that is closed when the system is on. No openings into other rooms or anything.

Is there a general preference on what mode is better for this type of room? I could easily just switch back and forth to see what i like better, but like to hear the opinion of other members and their experiences.
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All of my stuff is currently in a separate bedroom type of room. About 15'x15' in dimension with only one door that is closed when the system is on. No openings into other rooms or anything.

Is there a general preference on what mode is better for this type of room? I could easily just switch back and forth to see what i like better, but like to hear the opinion of other members and their experiences.

Yea try both to see what you like. I demo a lot of ulf scenes and find that me does better for me. Id recommend. Rerunning audy when you change modes

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All of my stuff is currently in a separate bedroom type of room. About 15'x15' in dimension with only one door that is closed when the system is on. No openings into other rooms or anything.

Is there a general preference on what mode is better for this type of room? I could easily just switch back and forth to see what i like better, but like to hear the opinion of other members and their experiences.

Unfortunately you have a square room which is the worst possible room for bass response cuz of standing waves and cancelizations. If you need more kick from your sub try placing it near your listening position or even behind you. But dual subs would probably be the best. And yes I know 15'X15' is small but sinces its square you can overcome some of the problems with duals.

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Unfortunately you have a square room which is the worst possible room for bass response cuz of standing waves and cancelizations. If you need more kick from your sub try placing it near your listening position or even behind you. But dual subs would probably be the best. And yes I know 15'X15' is small but sinces its square you can overcome some of the problems with duals.

Thanks for the input. Fortunately, I have dual EX's on the way this week. Looking forward to getting them all dialed in
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In a smaller room i would definitely try bass extension mode. In larger rooms where the sub can't pressurize the space you won't notice much difference in the low end going max output but will get the added oomph to help fill the room. This of course is just my experience with my Plus in a large living/kitchen/dining space.
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Thanks for the input. Fortunately, I have dual EX's on the way this week. Looking forward to getting them all dialed in

Awesome, I would try both EXs in ME mode 1 port plugged. That should really pressurize your room. My dual Pluses in an 11' X 23' room really rock. (both in ME mode 1 port plugged)

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Awesome, I would try both EXs in ME mode 1 port plugged. That should really pressurize your room. My dual Pluses in an 11' X 23' room really rock. (both in ME mode 1 port plugged)

I use both in me too!

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Pardon my ignorance, but what is ME mode? I thought there was only Max Output (MO) and Bass Extension (BE)?
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There just saying Max Extension mode instead of Bass Extension mode.
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There just saying Max Extension mode instead of Bass Extension mode.

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Awesome, I would try both EXs in ME mode 1 port plugged. That should really pressurize your room. My dual Pluses in an 11' X 23' room really rock. (both in ME mode 1 port plugged)

According to Outlaw, they recommend in Max Output mode that both ports remain unplugged. Is there risk of damaging my sub if I go and plug one of those ports?
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