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I was having a cup of tea this morning and saw a mouse running along the edge of the wall where my sub's located. I figured I'd better check things out and sure enough I found a small piece of gray wool like stuff so I gently flipped my LFM-2 and it looked in the port with a flashlight. It looks like the sound deadening stuff has been disturbed. I found a small piece of screen (slightly larger than the port hole) and ran duct tapped around the perimeter but the tape has reduced the round opening to a square one. I've ran a test tone to be sure the sub's working but I haven't recalibrated yet.

I'm in a basement apartment and have had a mouse problem on and off for years, the extermination eradicates them but they seem to come back in time.

Any ideas or thoughts?

Damn this down firing and ported sub.

Maybe plug both ports and just have yourself a note on the remote or sub to remove them before playing.

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The hype about pricier cables is exactly that: hype. There is more profit in speaker wire, interconnects, and power cords than in any other area of HT/AV. People here are giving you good advice, you don't need to buy other than Monoprice.

Just think what you could do with the money you save on wires. Years ago someone took a ordinary wire (coat) hanger and attached RCAs to each end. There was no difference between a wire coat hanger and an expensive "digital coaxial' cable.

No one was willing to take the challenge by "The Amazing Randy".

I am leaning towards "cheaper" cables. I am not about to spend big $$$ on them that is for sure. I have found many options so far.

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Maybe plug both ports and just have yourself a note on the remote or sub to remove them before playing.

Thanks, now I need to find a large rubber stopper. Or some material a mouse wouldn't be able to get through.

BTW, luckily the LFM-2 only has one port to deal with.
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Thanks, now I need to find a large rubber stopper. Or some material a mouse wouldn't be able to get through.

BTW, luckily the LFM-2 only has one port to deal with.

Call Outlaw and see if they would sell you just the port plug.

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i just got my EX today i hooked it up run adyssey and i started to move the sub around the room.




Right side of the couch - i get the thump and can feel it vibration going tru the couch however i can clearly tell where the sub is.

Left side of the couch - is like dead zone no bass no thump
Left side of the TV good bass not thump
Right side of the TV bass no thump.

am i doing something wrong here any other options i have
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.... My other sub is a jbl e250p and man the upgrade was so amazing that I almost feel guilty selling the JBL; It should just be trashed I really didn't think I hear that much of a difference. Did I mention I really wish I could get my shipping cost back?

I have the same JBL sub right now and just placed an order for the Outlaw LFM+. I hope I'm as blwon away by the difference as you were. The funny thing is that before today I had absolutely no intentions of buying a new sub. I bought a new Denon 3808ci receiver last week and after playing around with it this weekend I loved the sound but knew that my sound system was holding it back some. Since the only thing I do in my theater is watch movies and play games, I figured that a subwoofer upgrade would give me the most immediate improvement in sound quality. I currently have JBL E80 front towers and E30 surrounds with a EC35 center and I'm sure that I'll be getting the urge to upgrade those next. Hopefully the Outlaw will help me fend off that upgrade bug for a little while longer!
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i just got my EX today i hooked it up run adyssey and i started to move the sub around the room.

Hi nosferatu2xlc,

Ok, first things first. Audyssey can really jack around your sub. What is the trim level that Audyssey set for your sub? Make sure that it is no worse than -5dB. What are your settings on the EX?

Do you have a Radio Shack SPL Meter? You will need to calibrate your speakers to 75dB and your sub to 78dB - 80dB after running Audyssey.
Now you are ready to try different placement options.

I would try the front left corner of your room & the bottom left corner, too.

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Hi nosferatu2xlc,

Ok, first things first. Audyssey can really jack around your sub. What is the trim level that Audyssey set for your sub? Make sure that it is no worse than -5dB. What are your settings on the EX?

Do you have a Radio Shack SPL Meter? You will need to calibrate your speakers to 75dB and your sub to 78dB - 80dB after running Audyssey.
Now you are ready to try different placement options.

I would try the front left corner of your room & the bottom left corner, too.

Larry

Audyssey set up the sub at -10 but i moved to -7 , but now i will move it to -5

no i don't have SPL. on the sub i have phase 0 one port plugged and sub set and max extension. also i have volume on sub set to 5.
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also dunno why but i only can get the thump on the right side of my couch (it feels like i have build in sub in to my couch.) i will play with the sub tomorrow more when there is no neighbors around


ooh i also put the sub on my couch and crawl around the floor looking for good bass the only thing i noticed was left bottom corner but it was way too boome
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I have the same JBL sub right now and just placed an order for the Outlaw LFM+.

Congrats, acegamer!


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I figured that a subwoofer upgrade would give me the most immediate improvement in sound quality.

That is what the first LFM-1+ did for me.


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Hopefully the Outlaw will help me fend off that upgrade bug for a little while longer!

You know what they say, once bit..... Please check back with your thoughts.

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Audyssey set up the sub at -10 but i moved to -7 , but now i will move it to -5

no i don't have SPL. on the sub i have phase 0 one port plugged and sub set and max extension. also i have volume on sub set to 5.

Definitely move your trim level to -5 and your sub's volume to 3 or 4. Also, switch over to Max Output and remove the plug while you are trying to locate the sub.

I would visit RS tomorrow and purchase the Analog version of their SPL meter. This is going to be much harder to do w/o a meter.

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also dunno why but i only can get the thump on the right side of my couch (it feels like i have build in sub in to my couch.) i will play with the sub tomorrow more when there is no neighbors around


ooh i also put the sub on my couch and crawl around the floor looking for good bass the only thing i noticed was left bottom corner but it was way too boome

Every room is different and moving the sub from one end of the couch to the other end can completely change the bass. I would leave the EX in the bottom left corner in Max Output mode with a calibrated reading of 78dB and see how it sounds to you.

Just remember, when we set the sub up via our ears, we tend to have the sub running too hot vs. a RS SPL meter.

Let us know what you find out tomorrow.

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Every room is different and moving the sub from one end of the couch to the other end can completely change the bass. I would leave the EX in the bottom left corner in Max Output mode with a calibrated reading of 78dB and see how it sounds to you.

Just remember, when we set the sub up via our ears, we tend to have the sub running too hot vs. a RS SPL meter.

Let us know what you find out tomorrow.

Larry

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I have the same JBL sub right now and just placed an order for the Outlaw LFM+. I hope I'm as blwon away by the difference as you were. The funny thing is that before today I had absolutely no intentions of buying a new sub. I bought a new Denon 3808ci receiver last week and after playing around with it this weekend I loved the sound but knew that my sound system was holding it back some. Since the only thing I do in my theater is watch movies and play games, I figured that a subwoofer upgrade would give me the most immediate improvement in sound quality. I currently have JBL E80 front towers and E30 surrounds with a EC35 center and I'm sure that I'll be getting the urge to upgrade those next. Hopefully the Outlaw will help me fend off that upgrade bug for a little while longer!

Yeah, I think the LFM-1 Plus will make a very big difference. Those JBL's, while not "high end" are pretty decent speakers. They get plenty loud and can create a very good HT experience. I think once you get the sub you'll be VERY pleased with your setup .
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will this one do the job

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=92282

i know its cheap but i can't find any listings about one on RS web
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will this one do the job

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=92282

i know its cheap but i can't find any listings about one on RS web

That should work. Here is the RS version:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

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ok i got the RS SPL i gonna go home a play a little i also have AIVA disk , so hopefully i can come up with something batter than what i have now
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^^^^^

Excellent! I have both and they are both a hugh help. Let us know what you find in your room and if you have any questions.

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OK so i got home and played for about an hour or two . i used Aiva and SPL and i must say the biggest improvement i got from my front and center speakers. I tried every spot that i could put the sub , and in most cased i got no bass or really boome sound. so i settled with sub next to the couch on the left. i get good thump there when sitting next to the sub . The down side is that i clearly tell where the sub is when watching movies . here are some shots of the room. More speakers to come.....







ooo a new black rug is a must here..... soon to be.....
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How big is the area again? Including the dinning and kitchen area. You may be in the same situation as I where you are going to need more than one sub to fill all of that cubic space.

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How big is the area again? Including the dinning and kitchen area. You may be in the same situation as I where you are going to need more than one sub to fill all of that cubic space.

weverb, you're being a bad influence, but you are right!

I think he said his TR area is 1500 cubic feet and I'm guessing another 1500 cubic feet in the dining area and even more with the kitchen per his drawing. So, yes, he is going to need another sub or MBM eventually.

I have wall-to-wall carpeting too and I think it will help the boomyness to raise your sub up to at least 2" clearance from the driver to the top of the carpet by setting your EX on a piece of MDF and see how that sounds. If it sounds better, then you could add a Gramma.

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my spl holder....





so if i raise the sub should i move it to the corner where it was boome or just leave it where it is. the sub is Outlaw Plus
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Ok, I have a LFM-1+, too.

What are your settings after calibration?

I would leave it where it is while you experiment unless you want the workout.

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so if i raise the sub should i move it to the corner where it was boome or just leave it where it is. the sub is Outlaw Plus

According to the nice layout you provided, you have about the same cubic foot (assuming 8' ceiling) as I do = roughly 2,500 cubic feet. I have a single EX and actually could use 2 of them. That is a lot of space to fill/pressurize with a single Plus. In addition, depending on the rest of your system, you may not have the capacity or headroom (dB) to get the feel and sound you are looking for. I was in a similar situation and had to add a 5x200 amp to increase my overall system so I could get another 3+dB from my EX and MBM.

I would get a Gramma and move it to the opposite side of the couch.

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Larry, Phil, and others...

Have you had to make any changes to your settings for 2-channel versus HT?

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Found this in a HSU thread. Thought you would find it interesting.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/s...l#anchor_13193

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Larry, Phil, and others...

Have you had to make any changes to your settings for 2-channel versus HT?

I don't listen to a 2 channel source much anymore. I have played some concert HD-DVD & BR in 2 channel but use the Onkyo to matrix a 7.1 sound field. I have made no changes to my sub's settings other than using Max Output.

I think Phil will have more insight than me, sorry.

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Found this in a HSU thread. Thought you would find it interesting.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/s...l#anchor_13193

weverb, this is too funny. I was just reading this about 30 minutes ago!

.....107dB for my front speakers.

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weverb, this is too funny. I was just reading this about 30 minutes ago!

.....107dB for my front speakers.

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...110dB for my front speakers. I think nosferatu2xlc needs to see this. It might give him more of an understanding that he may not be able to obtain the feel and sound he is looking for. Before I added the Sherbourn 5x200 I was only able to get 107dB with my front speakers (according to the link).

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According to the nice layout you provided, you have about the same cubic foot (assuming 8' ceiling) as I do = roughly 2,500 cubic feet. I have a single EX and actually could use 2 of them. That is a lot of space to fill/pressurize with a single Plus. In addition, depending on the rest of your system, you may not have the capacity or headroom (dB) to get the feel and sound you are looking for. I was in a similar situation and had to add a 5x200 amp to increase my overall system so I could get another 3+dB from my EX and MBM.

I would get a Gramma and move it to the opposite side of the couch.


i think i will leave it there for a wile , but in considering adding something to lift up the sub. i also shopping for new front speakers. I'm looking in to Monitor audio RS5 as the fronts and move psb as a surround. also how important is subwoofer cable.
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