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post #181 of 7138 Old 02-02-2008, 02:31 PM
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Thanks. I got everything together and it works fine. In the auto position and with the system off, therefore the sub amp off (red light) it still maintains some heat. In the OFF position, it really is off and puts off no heat. When its running with the system it doesn't seem to get any hotter. Its not 'hot', but just putting out heat when not in use. Seems strange to me. I will keep an eye on it and call Outlaw and ask them a few questions.

Not sure about this unit. Got everything hooked up correctly. The sub is putting out very little. It is running but I can switch it off and nothing really changes as far as output. Putting my hand on the sub and it is barely moving. Disappointed to say the least. On the bright side, the Sierra's were worth the wait. However, now I'm up against the 30 trial period on the Outlaw. I am thinking I may go another route, something a bit bigger. I suspect that this is a bad unit given the heat output when off. Anyone else have a suggestion? I really like the Compact for its size and down fire/port design. Is it worth dealing with Outlaw or should I just send it back?
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I'm quite pleased with mine. And again I have a vintage 18" sub in another system to compare it to. Were I in your shoes I'd call Outlaw to discuss what is going on. I'm quite sure they'll come up with a solution to your liking. You could always see about swapping it in for a LFM-EX too if you really think you need more "whomp."

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That isn't right -- contact Outlaw and they should send you a new one within 24 hours and provide free shipping to return yours. Their customer service is fantastic -- then even only asked me about 4 questions when my 130lbs amp from them had one channel go out.
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I really think it is the unit. I've been around car audio enough to know what a sub should do...and this one isn't doing it. I'm going to play around with it this weekend and see if I can get anything out of it. I'll call Outlaw on Monday one way or another. If its working correctly, its not the sub for me. If its bad, I'll have to decide on whether to get a replacement or go another direction. Thanks for the responses.
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Kpilk,

I just recently bought the same sub. When my red light is on, there is no heat coming from the amp. Overall, it is a great sub. I am pleased with it performance (great amount of bass from the DVD's and music CD's I have listened to so far) and the wife actually likes the way it looks. Granted I am only dealing with about 2,300 cubic feet. I am thinking of adding the MBM-12 so I can plug one port on the LFM-1 EX and get the lower hz. I love the downward firing ports as it has given me more flexibility in its placement (under a desk in a corner).

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I just recently bought the same sub. When my red light is on, there is no heat coming from the amp. Overall, it is a great sub. I am pleased with it performance (great amount of bass from the DVD's and music CD's I have listened to so far) and the wife actually likes the way it looks. Granted I am only dealing with about 2,300 cubic feet. I am thinking of adding the MBM-12 so I can plug one port on the LFM-1 EX and get the lower hz. I love the downward firing ports as it has given me more flexibility in its placement (under a desk in a corner).

Thanks for confirming that there should be no heat in the off position. I have been going over my setup today and it is spot on. I am calling Outlaw tomorrow for a R/A. May take this opportunity to explore something else. I might even go with a LFM-1 EX since I really do have a very large area. I like the Outlaw down firing/down port...it takes the kid factor out of play. I will let you know how my customer service experience goes tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback. On the bright side the Sierra-1's really don't need a sub...they go pretty low for a 5.5" driver. They need a sub to really produce the punch I like and to really hit the low stuff with any authority, so one is coming one way or another.
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Really give the LMF-1 EX a try. I don't think you will be disappointed. They shipped mine really fast from CA to FL. I think I ordered on a Thursday and received it on a Tuesday. In my very open 2,300 cubic foot room, I only have the level set just above 4 and the receiver setting on -1 db to get 80db (running 5db hot) at the listening position.

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How does the SMS-1 run 3 different subs? It looks like all 3 sub outs are the same. I was under the impression that you could run each 3 sub outs at 2-3 different cut off points.

Please advise

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Not sure about this unit. Got everything hooked up correctly. The sub is putting out very little. It is running but I can switch it off and nothing really changes as far as output. Putting my hand on the sub and it is barely moving. Disappointed to say the least. Is it worth dealing with Outlaw or should I just send it back?

The 10" Outlaw woofer can put out a large amount of bass. I believe that your amp is malfunctioning. If you can handle the job, get Outlaw to send you a new amp and swap it out. 10 minute job, very simple.

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The 10" Outlaw woofer can put out a large amount of bass. I believe that your amp is malfunctioning. If you can handle the job, get Outlaw to send you a new amp and swap it out. 10 minute job, very simple.

Good luck

I could do that but since I was within my 30 trial I just had them send a RA. I may go with the EX now but want to do my 'shopping' again. I love the Outlaw set up. Just one of those things...Outlaw was very cordial on the phone about the Return. No questions asked...a winner outfit imo.
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How does the SMS-1 run 3 different subs? It looks like all 3 sub outs are the same. I was under the impression that you could run each 3 sub outs at 2-3 different cut off points.

Nope, it doesn't. All sub outs are the same signal

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I'm seeking advice from some current Outlaw sub owners. I currently run a 7.0 setup in my theater, I have full-range speakers up front which can handle down to ~25Hz, so I've been able to convince myself that I can keep putting off purchasing a sub, until recently.

My preference is an LFM-1+, but Outlaw has been out-of-stock on them for quite some time and they don't have a firm date on when they'll be in. I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Any thoughts on the LFM-1 compact? The price for a b-stock model is extremely attractive, but I don't want to regret purchasing it down the road if the LFM-1+ is really what I need. Will the smaller amp in the LFM-1 compact be very noticeable in a room my size?

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I'm seeking advice from some current Outlaw sub owners. I currently run a 7.0 setup in my theater, I have full-range speakers up front which can handle down to ~25Hz, so I've been able to convince myself that I can keep putting off purchasing a sub, until recently.

My preference is an LFM-1+, but Outlaw has been out-of-stock on them for quite some time and they don't have a firm date on when they'll be in. I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Any thoughts on the LFM-1 compact? The price for a b-stock model is extremely attractive, but I don't want to regret purchasing it down the road if the LFM-1+ is really what I need. Will the smaller amp in the LFM-1 compact be very noticeable in a room my size?

You might call them and see if you can get an EX for the $549 sale price. It might be worth a try. They seem to be doing that to compensate for the lack of the LFM-1+. They have good customer service...who knows.
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I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Repeat after me, there's no such thing as overkill, there's no such thing as overkill...

Seriously though, if you can get a better sub for the same price as a lesser sub, get the better sub every time. You can always turn the sub output down, but why not give yourself the possibility of getting more out of your sub if you find you want it.


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I can order a b-stock LFM-1 EX and get it for the same price as the LFM-1+, but it's overkill for my room (~1800 sq ft).

Do you mean 1800 cubic feet? 1800 sq ft is not a small room!

It is just not a power difference either. The EX can do 16Hz versus the Compact's 25Hz (which you state your fronts do already).

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Nope, it doesn't. All sub outs are the same signal

so are you better off with 3 identical subs
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Do you mean 1800 cubic feet? 1800 sq ft is not a small room!

It is just not a power difference either. The EX can do 16Hz versus the Compact's 25Hz (which you state your fronts do already).

Correct, cubic feet, not square feet. I clearly wasn't thinking after doing my math.

My mains can get down to the 25Hz range, but my receiver doesn't have a "LFE redirect to Mains" type feature. So while I do get some decent low frequency response in my system, I'm still missing out on LFE.

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My mains can get down to the 25Hz range, but my receiver doesn't have a "LFE redirect to Mains" type feature. So while I do get some decent low frequency response in my system, I'm still missing out on LFE.

My mains said they could do down to 40Hz. They could never move enough air to really feel or hear anything. Get the EX B-stock with free shipping and you will be surprised at how complete your system sounds.

Then you will become like some of us and want the EX to handle the low stuff and then want an MBM-12 to give you that incredible mid-bass punch in the gut.

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so are you better off with 3 identical subs

Having 3 subs makes it easier to fine tune your settings for best results, but wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary. I'd always try to get three subs that have about the same low level extension capability

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How does the Outlaw LFM-1 EX compare with the HSU VTF-3 MK3?

They seem to look exactly the same, however the Outlaw is rated at 16HZ.

I have a 4480 cubic feet room. Thanks.
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From my understanding of the two....

EX
1. Is cheaper.
2. More flexible placement wise due to everything fires down.
3. Less chance of port noise due to ports firing down.
4. Has built in plexi top for possible end table use.

VTF3
1. Not as flexible placement wise due to rear firing ports and side firing sub.
2. More spl potential since Turbo is available.
3. Overall, more musical than the EX.

For 4480 cubic feet, you will probably want the VTF-3 HO with a Turbo or better yet get dual AV123 MFW-15 for not much more.

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Pix of my new LFM-1 EX and HSU MBM-12:




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Nice job hidding them!

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Nice job hidding them!

Thanks. They are wife approved!

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Hello All,

Thanks to this currently stalled thread, I have ordered a LFM-1+ and it shipped today!

@weverb: thanks for your post on the EX vs VTF3 and the WAF.

Owners where are you?

Any additional set-up advice for me or is this thread over?

TIA,

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This thread is not over. The Outlaw subs are just not as popular as HSU, SVS, AV123, etc. I think you will be very happy with the +1.

Let us know if you have any specific questions. We are all here to help. I am always learning something new.

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thanks weverb!

I am glad owners are still checking in.

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I just received the LFM-1EX yesterday and got it set up last night. Compared to my Def Tech sub I was using, well, lets just say there's no comparison. I have a 4700 cubic foot room that opens to a hallway and the kitchen so I needed more power. After I put it in place, I noticed that with the spikes the EX was still sitting very close to the carpet so I added the dimpled disk for more lift. I'm actually thinking of lifting it higher with wood blocks to provide more clearance. So my question to all the owners is how much space should I have between the bottom and the carpet? It seems that more clearance would the better for air flow and maybe better response. Am I wrong in thinking that about 3" clearance would be ideal?
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Wow, roadroach357 beat me to the punch! I came here tonight to post the same question on carpet and the LFM-1+.
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Wow, roadroach357 beat me to the punch! I came here tonight to post the same question on carpet and the LFM-1+.

So far I can tell you that raising it up from the spike level in deep pile carpet to the spike+dimple disc provides about 1dB SPL. Tomorrow I am going to cut some 2x2 pieces of 2x4 and raise it up even more and check the results. AND if I can find a piece of ceramic tile that will properly fit underneath I am going to try that as well (with and without the 2x4 pieces).
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