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well i considered everything - the tiny cage that i called my home theater room, the room gain that will add dbs in the lower range, the fact that i'm not running a sports stadium but a home theater, and the fact that in 1920 my walkup building's engineer probably did not account for something like a conquest shaking its foundation - and decided that the conquest/castle are likely overkill (would i really ever benefit from all that headroom or the really low extension that much/often?)

so that leaves the knight. but with the long wait times, i wasn't too thrilled. so i pulled the trigger on a mfw-15 an hour ago. so i'll see how that goes and if my bass fetish is not satisfied by that, then i'm ignoring all of you and ordering a conquest/castle. maybe four of them just to show off to all of you (for that brief moment before all 4 of them cause me to implode and turn into dust)

I think you're going to be seriously stoked with that subwoofer. Let us know your results even though this is the Epik thread. Then again maybe you should post results as its own topic in the forum, or feel free to PM me with what you think of that massive sub in such a small space. I'd be curious to know your results.
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When you calibrated your system, did you turn up to reference levels, then set the mains at 75 or 85db? If so what did you calibrate your subwoofer at? I calibrated mine at 85db each channel with my AVR-5800 on 00 (volume) and then the subwoofer I put at around 85 db. Didn't like the amount of bass I had so I upped it to 90db (5db hotter than the mains) still wasn't quite enough. I bumped it up to around 92-93 db (or 7-8db hotter than the mains). This put my settings on my Epik Tower's gain knob at around 11:30 and the receiver's LFE out at -3db.

I'm curious how my settings compare to yours. Obviously my mains are no where near as sensitive as yours, and my power also isn't as strong either. I'm only putting about 200wpc into the mains which are also 4 ohm speakers (Salk SongTowers). My speakers are true rating of 88db/m @ 1 watt. I imagine the 100 db rating on the RF-83's is a little overstated, but probably not by much. You've still got a lot more headroom on me.

So anyway tell me how you calibrated. That Nazgul scene is indeed quite awesome One of the few I've had a chance to watch on my new theater

-Chad

It is calibrated almost same as yours.
I ended up at ~12:00 on the conquest and LFE at -4.0 dB
Calibrated with Audyssey
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I'm thinking about getting the Conquest but laying it on it's side (a smidge too tall for optimum WAF). Does this adversly affect performance? Can anybody post photos of the bottom of the sub? If I lay it on it's side do I need to put rubber feet on the side?

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Actually, the Conquest is supposed to be laying on its side and it actually sounds better that way. Best of both worlds for you huh?
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Hey y'all,
I'm really curious about epik subs....I'm also looking at SVS HSU, and AV123.....I have about 1,100 dollars to spend, but want something RELIABLE and LOUD, LOW, and ACCURATE....I was looking at the castle, but also looking at the Tower with it's larger cabinet. What sub will fit the bill in my poorly acoustic 16x22 room? BTW, right now I have a sunfire signature sub and I blew the passive radiator on it ANY feedback would be great!

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Hey y'all,
I'm really curious about epik subs....I'm also looking at SVS HSU, and AV123.....I have about 1,100 dollars to spend, but want something RELIABLE and LOUD, LOW, and ACCURATE....I was looking at the castle, but also looking at the Tower with it's larger cabinet. What sub will fit the bill in my poorly acoustic 16x22 room? BTW, right now I have a sunfire signature sub and I blew the passive radiator on it ANY feedback would be great!

i have 2 towers in a room similar to yours. is flat out scary.
gain on the subs 11:00,and i run few db hot.
so i have plenty left,headroom.
if i had to do again and i had $1100 i would get a castle.
$1100 would probably include shipping too.
with a castle in that room you will have no regrets
you wont have to worry about it.
i would say for the money either 2 mfw-15, or a castle. thinking castle is cheaper.
if you move up to the $1700-$1800 range svs ultra13, or the epik conquest
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Actually, the Conquest is supposed to be laying on its side ...

Is the bottom finished like the sides? I don't want it to look weird. My wife is an incredibly accomodating person but I want to minimize the shock of having a coffin in the family room :-)
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Is the bottom finished like the sides? I don't want it to look weird. My wife is an incredibly accomodating person but I want to minimize the shock of having a coffin in the family room :-)

Yes. Same finish all the way around.
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It is calibrated almost same as yours.
I ended up at ~12:00 on the conquest and LFE at -4.0 dB
Calibrated with Audyssey

Good to know I calibrated manually like a computer did
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Yes. Same finish all the way around.

Thanks.

What do the feet look like? Will it look obvious that it's on it's "side"?
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what's the warranty on epik? That guy above talked me into getting a Castle.....not god, the above poster....but I'm sure god has somthing to say, or hear about this!

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what's the warranty on epik? That guy above talked me into getting a Castle.....not god, the above poster....but I'm sure god has somthing to say, or hear about this!

7 years on the driver and 2 on the electronics. Be prepared to wait about a month before it ships.

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Thanks.

What do the feet look like? Will it look obvious that it's on it's "side"?

They don't have feet.

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They don't have feet.

Perfect! Thanks. Sounds like all 4 sides are fair game!
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what's the warranty on epik? That guy above talked me into getting a Castle.....not god, the above poster....but I'm sure god has somthing to say, or hear about this!

so the wait starts
this is the painfull part
but when it arrives it is like christmas for big kids
you will not be dissapointed
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That is exactly my set-up; Klipsch RF-83s fronts, RC-64 center and 4 RS-62 surrounds - ridiculously efficient horns all arround. And I am driving them with and IcePower amp that delivers ~ 250 w/ch into 8 ohm and ~500 w/ch into 4 ohms (RF-83s dip to about 3.5 ohms around 200 Hz). The dynamics produced by this setup are unbelievable.

The Conquest does a great job. It actually shakes the concrete foundation of the HT room. Leaves nothing to be desired for 99.9% of normal folks.

Dionyz,

That's the speaker configuration I was thinking about ordering. I have been using Definitive Technology bipolars for about 8 years and was planing on switching to directs. The other day I posted over in the Klipsch owner thread post #4007. I would be driving them with a B&K Reference 200.7

I was looking for some owners of those models as it is something that my dealer would need to order. Maybe you could reply?

Thanks,
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Anyone have any pictures of an Epik sub with the Rosenut veneer finish? (actually, I'm surprised they're not on Epik's website)
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Dionyz,

That's the speaker configuration I was thinking about ordering. I have been using Definitive Technology bipolars for about 8 years and was planing on switching to directs. The other day I posted over in the Klipsch owner thread post #4007. I would be driving them with a B&K Reference 200.7

I was looking for some owners of those models as it is something that my dealer would need to order. Maybe you could reply?

Thanks,
John

Do not forget the mail order option. Klipsch now has authorized several mail order retailers to sell their products. That is how I purchased most of my set-up, except for the RF-83 which I got at local UE which was discontinuing the line and I got a 55% discount (basically equal to the RF-63 price with typical discount).

I would also think twice about spending the extra $ to get RF-83 rather than RF-63. I auditioned both of them. RF-83 goes a bit lower than RF-63, but other than that I found them both very comparable. Which if you have a good sub in your system, does not matter. Plus the drivers are a better match with the rest of the system.
I was going to buy the RF-63s until I came across the deal at UE on RF-83s which I could not refuse.
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Anyone have any pictures of an Epik sub with the Rosenut veneer finish? (actually, I'm surprised they're not on Epik's website)

I don't think they are building it right now. They're trying so hard to keep up with the black orders that I simply don't think it has been an option for Chad and Co.

If you want to see a picture of it though there is a picture of the Rosenut veneer on the very front page at www.epiksubwoofers.com.

-Chad (not from Epik)
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what's the warranty on epik? That guy above talked me into getting a Castle.....not god, the above poster....but I'm sure god has somthing to say, or hear about this!

I assume you mean me. And I hope your experience is positive

I have very little bad to say about the whole Epik experience except the fact that Chad (or anyone at Epik for that matter) is very difficult to get on the phone. Moving to the subwoofer itself though warrants some high praise. Even in my acoustically untreated room I get amazing response out of the Epik Tower and it literally shakes my entire room. I have it isolated from the floor on an Auralex Great Gramma and it still manages to shake the concrete slab floor during intense passages

My neighbors have not complained yet oddly enough, but I can assume this will happen in time. I basically want to watch movies on a daily basis now. I have all new speakers all the way around (all 5.1) and the thing I most look forward to is hearing the Epik Tower (and I bought really good mains and surrounds/center too).

Please let me (and everyone else in this thread!) know your experiences once you receive it. If you need any help calibrating let us know as well and we can point you in the right direction.

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If you want to see a picture of it though there is a picture of the Rosenut veneer on the very front page at www.epiksubwoofers.com.

Yeah, thanks, but I mean a "real life" pic... one that an owner has taken.
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Yeah, thanks, but I mean a "real life" pic... one that an owner has taken.

I'm pretty sure they haven't shipped out any Rosenut subs.
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When you calibrated your system, did you turn up to reference levels, then set the mains at 75 or 85db? If so what did you calibrate your subwoofer at? I calibrated mine at 85db each channel with my AVR-5800 on 00 (volume) and then the subwoofer I put at around 85 db. Didn't like the amount of bass I had so I upped it to 90db (5db hotter than the mains) still wasn't quite enough. I bumped it up to around 92-93 db (or 7-8db hotter than the mains). This put my settings on my Epik Tower's gain knob at around 11:30 and the receiver's LFE out at -3db.

I'm curious how my settings compare to yours. Obviously my mains are no where near as sensitive as yours, and my power also isn't as strong either. I'm only putting about 200wpc into the mains which are also 4 ohm speakers (Salk SongTowers). My speakers are true rating of 88db/m @ 1 watt. I imagine the 100 db rating on the RF-83's is a little overstated, but probably not by much. You've still got a lot more headroom on me.

So anyway tell me how you calibrated. That Nazgul scene is indeed quite awesome One of the few I've had a chance to watch on my new theater

-Chad

man thats hot.
i level matched speakers to 75 db using test tones on my onk 705.
the combined output of the towers set at 77db
so when you say 90db on your sub. is that un corrected with spl meter?
if so that is hot.
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man thats hot.
i level matched speakers to 75 db using test tones on my onk 705.
the combined output of the towers set at 77db
so when you say 90db on your sub. is that un corrected with spl meter?
if so that is hot.

Excuse me if I'm mistaken here, but-

Since he calibrated at 85db, having the subs calibrated at 90db would be comparable to having them calibrated to 80db when using a 75db baseline. Still hotter than your 77db, but not nearly as much as it may sound.
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Excuse me if I'm mistaken here, but-

Since he calibrated at 85db, having the subs calibrated at 90db would be comparable to having them calibrated to 80db when using a 75db baseline. Still hotter than your 77db, but not nearly as much as it may sound.

Exactly. I put the receiver volume at 00 and calibrated the mains at 85 db and the subwoofer around 92-93db. When I listen to movies however I am listening at -10 volume so my subwoofer would be a few dbs hotter than yours but really not by much as previously stated by Down.
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Exactly. I put the receiver volume at 00 and calibrated the mains at 85 db and the subwoofer around 92-93db. When I listen to movies however I am listening at -10 volume so my subwoofer would be a few dbs hotter than yours but really not by much as previously stated by Down.

o.k. i get it now it was the mains at 85db realitive to the sub that i must have overlooked.
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Exactly. I put the receiver volume at 00 and calibrated the mains at 85 db and the subwoofer around 92-93db. When I listen to movies however I am listening at -10 volume so my subwoofer would be a few dbs hotter than yours but really not by much as previously stated by Down.

Out of curiousity, is there any benefit to calibrating at 85 instead of 75? It seems that when I see it mentioned people usually say it doesn't, but I've wondered if there might be a difference in lower than reference listening?
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Exactly. I put the receiver volume at 00 and calibrated the mains at 85 db and the subwoofer around 92-93db. When I listen to movies however I am listening at -10 volume so my subwoofer would be a few dbs hotter than yours but really not by much as previously stated by Down.

The SPL meter is 2-3 dbs off for the sub. At 93dbs you are 10-11dbs hot. If that sounds good to you then great. Have you done a frequency response graph to see what your sub is doing? Running the sub that hot in my room would definitely effect the blend at crossover and cause a heavy bloom that would muddy up the sound. I'm not criticizing, I'm just wondering if you have a null going on that effects your output.

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Out of curiousity, is there any benefit to calibrating at 85 instead of 75? It seems that when I see it mentioned people usually say it doesn't, but I've wondered if there might be a difference in lower than reference listening?

i guess it would depend on what receiver you have
on a thx cert. receiver the test tones are 75db. so if level matched at 75db with the tones 0 would be reference
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Out of curiousity, is there any benefit to calibrating at 85 instead of 75? It seems that when I see it mentioned people usually say it doesn't, but I've wondered if there might be a difference in lower than reference listening?

I calibrated that way because that's how close it was out of the box. I have a THX Ultra II Certified receiver (Denon AVR-5800) and when I was at 00 on the volume, the mains were 84db. I bumped each up 1 db and it was at 85db. I've seen people recommend both 75 and 85db, but I always listen to movies at -10 db on the volume knob so I'm listening where the test tones are at 75db which on my device is -10.
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