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I bought a Behringer iNuke 6000DSP to power my 2 Empires. I've been very happy. The fans in the iNuke are noisy but I have my gear in another room.

I don't know much about plate amps, others in this thread have posted about it, most buying from Parts Express.

I'd look into a single amp if you could, needing to buy 4 plate amps could be spendy. Although, perhaps there's a plate amp that could power 2 Empires...
If I go with an external amp that's the one I plan to get, even though it will be in my living room and I'm unsure about the fan noise. I wish I could find an original replacement amp for sale but I've had no luck. I'm just not sure what I'm going to do yet.
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If I go with an external amp that's the one I plan to get, even though it will be in my living room and I'm unsure about the fan noise. I wish I could find an original replacement amp for sale but I've had no luck. I'm just not sure what I'm going to do yet.
You definitely do not want an original replacement. Just about everyone is eventually having problems with them.

Depending on you living room setup, remember that the iNuke's have rack ears. They work fine on a shelf, but they do look like they should be rack mounted. A lot of people have replaced the fans with quieter ones. Behringer chose industrial type fans instead of PC type fans, so there was little concern for noise.

If I was putting an iNuke in my living room, I'd buy replacement fans, and little rubber feet for the amp itself and call it a day. If you don't really have a place for it, I'd see if you could find a plate amp that could power 2 Empires and get them. At least that way they are unseen.

I'd remove the plate amp off one of your broken Empires so you know what your working with. You said you had 4 Empires, right? Are they all together, separate or in groups of 2?
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Yes I have 2 stacked in a front corner and 2 stacked in a rear corner.

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Truckramrod I have four of these same drivers. They are 12s from the Epik sentinel Subwoofer. Is that an IB set up?
I didn't believe this driver was suitable for that because of its very low Qts. I made a pair of 3cuft subs each with one driver. They are incredible down to below 20hz. I'm going to make two more. Are they yours?
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Here is the chain: Onkyo TX-NR708 >>> miniDSP >>> iNUKE 6000 >>> Epik Empire w/female Speakon connector

I am planning to power my dual Epik Empires with an Inuke 6000.

I would like to also use a MiniDSP in the chain but am not sure if I should go with the miniDSP 2x4 or the miniDSP 2x4 Balanced.

I plan on replacing the balanced inputs on the stock plate amp with female Speakon connectors.



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Here is the chain: Onkyo TX-NR708 >>> miniDSP >>> iNUKE 6000 >>> Epik Empire w/female Speakon connector

I am planning to power my dual Epik Empires with an Inuke 6000.

I would like to also use a MiniDSP in the chain but am not sure if I should go with the miniDSP 2x4 or the miniDSP 2x4 Balanced.

I plan on replacing the balanced inputs on the stock plate amp with female Speakon connectors.



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The output limit on the unbalanced 2x4 is 0.9V, the balanced 2x4 can do 2.0V output, so depends on your amp sensitivity.
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Here is the chain: Onkyo TX-NR708 >>> miniDSP >>> iNUKE 6000 >>> Epik Empire w/female Speakon connector

I am planning to power my dual Epik Empires with an Inuke 6000.

I would like to also use a MiniDSP in the chain but am not sure if I should go with the miniDSP 2x4 or the miniDSP 2x4 Balanced.

I plan on replacing the balanced inputs on the stock plate amp with female Speakon connectors.

Please advise.
Why not just get the 6000DSP and skip the miniDSP?

Also, post pics of your Speakon install. After I removed the plate amp and saw the speaker wire going into a drilled hole in the MDF I just used a terminal strip.
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Why not just get the 6000DSP and skip the miniDSP?

Also, post pics of your Speakon install. After I removed the plate amp and saw the speaker wire going into a drilled hole in the MDF I just used a terminal strip.
That is what I actually decided last night, to go with the 6000DSP and skip the miniDSP. I will take pics and post as I work through it.
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I finally had the time to set up an iNuke 6000DSP to push my two Epik Empires. I ran REW and Audy but I still have some more tweaking to do. However, they run fine for now until I have some alone time with REW.

First, I removed the plate amp and cut the speaker wire to free up the plate amp:

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Second, I crimped on some 0.187" insulated female disconnects:

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Third, I connected a Neutrik Speakon NL4MP to the speaker wire:

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Fourth, I removed the original crossover and LFE input terminals:

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Fifth, I attached two Neutrik Speakon NL4MPs in place of the original crossover and LFE input terminals on the plate amp face:

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I finally had the time to set up an iNuke 6000DSP to push my two Epik Empires. I ran REW and Audy but I still have some more tweaking to do. However, they run fine for now until I have some alone time with REW.
I still haven't run REW. I bought a calibrated microphone in 2014 and haven't gotten around to using it.

That install looks good. Someone bought my plate amps so my options were more limited. I'd like to get a metal plate made with a single plug in the middle for Speakon, but that will probably never happen. The terminal strip has been working great for 2 years.
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Epik Legend

I have a fully functioning Epik Legend that I have replaced. No signs of amp failure or other technical issues. I am interested in getting rid of it. shipping it whole is not an option. I would be willing to disassemble the drivers and amp and sell them as long as the buyer pays shipping and also gives me a reasonable offer for them.
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I have a fully functioning Epik Legend that I have replaced. No signs of amp failure or other technical issues. I am interested in getting rid of it. shipping it whole is not an option. I would be willing to disassemble the drivers and amp and sell them as long as the buyer pays shipping and also gives me a reasonable offer for them.
Sell it on craigslist.

Why are you getting rid of it? What are you replacing it with?
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I'd also go with Craigslist/local pickup. The drivers nor amp are all that valuable for a diy project, but a compete functioning sub....
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My Sentinel is still plugging along just fine, still a pretty good sub...although the upgrade bug has been biting lately. I was really bummed to see how things went south with Chad & Epic because initially the subs were good. I am sure others are still enjoying theirs out there...I have read somewhere on the forums (can't remember who or where) that all subwoofer drivers have a finite lifespan, around 5 years. Any opinions on that?

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I have 2 Empires in my room and they are both still sounding great,however I did have to replace the amps on both of them while Epik was still open.


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My Sentinel is still plugging along just fine, still a pretty good sub...although the upgrade bug has been biting lately. I was really bummed to see how things went south with Chad & Epic because initially the subs were good. I am sure others are still enjoying theirs out there...I have read somewhere on the forums (can't remember who or where) that all subwoofer drivers have a finite lifespan, around 5 years. Any opinions on that?
Drivers should last a lot longer than 5 years unless you abuse them. I have subs that are over 15 years old that work fine.
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My Sentinel is still plugging along just fine, still a pretty good sub...although the upgrade bug has been biting lately. I was really bummed to see how things went south with Chad & Epic because initially the subs were good. I am sure others are still enjoying theirs out there...I have read somewhere on the forums (can't remember who or where) that all subwoofer drivers have a finite lifespan, around 5 years. Any opinions on that?
Is that at very high spl for 5 years 24/7 or something? I'd expect much longer life from a driver, unless as was said it was abused....my Empire is fine after 7 years of frequent use. Even old foam surrounds lasted longer than 5 years and these butyl type (I think they're butyl) should last longer than foam....
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I came across a used Sentinel online for a hair over 500 and wonder if having two Sentinels would be worth it or not. I've had mine since it first came out and run the sucker everyday just about. no issues at all. i have space issues so i can't really upgrade to anything bigger cabinet wise. two of them would work just enough behind the couch where the one is at currently.

is there anything else that would best the Epik that keeps the size down and isn't over a grand and still hits 16? the auction for the used one i came across is ending pretty soon.

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I came across a used Sentinel online for a hair over 500 and wonder if having two Sentinels would be worth it or not. I've had mine since it first came out and run the sucker everyday just about. no issues at all. i have space issues so i can't really upgrade to anything bigger cabinet wise. two of them would work just enough behind the couch where the one is at currently.

is there anything else that would best the Epik that keeps the size down and isn't over a grand and still hits 16? the auction for the used one i came across is ending pretty soon.
The Empire really hit that compact/performance/value apex. Quite a shame Epik went out. I gave Chad a genuine offer to take over if he decided to step away. I really enjoy speaker that space.

I've got 2 Empires and love them, with my iNuke amp, they really slam. If I were go build a dedicated theater and want 'more,' I'd likely end up with two or four of the 18" Dayton Ultimax subs. They are $400 with a cabinet (DIY assembly) and do not come with an amplifier.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...ndle--300-7099

If that looks appealing to you, it might be better for the long term, but another Sentinel to match what you already have is the cost conscious choice, although if you end up having to buy an external amplifier eventually anyway...maybe not.
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The Empire really hit that compact/performance/value apex. Quite a shame Epik went out. I gave Chad a genuine offer to take over if he decided to step away. I really enjoy speaker that space.

I've got 2 Empires and love them, with my iNuke amp, they really slam. If I were go build a dedicated theater and want 'more,' I'd likely end up with two or four of the 18" Dayton Ultimax subs. They are $400 with a cabinet (DIY assembly) and do not come with an amplifier.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...ndle--300-7099

If that looks appealing to you, it might be better for the long term, but another Sentinel to match what you already have is the cost conscious choice, although if you end up having to buy an external amplifier eventually anyway...maybe not.
That DIY 18" sub looks like quite a treat. too bad it's a big too big for my space. i have a small living room around 12x13 that opens up to a kitchen in the back and a hallway to one side. vaulted ceilings. The best spot i found for my Sentinel is behind the couch. I realized last night that it can go pretty low. A part of the 2 min preview for the Jungle Book on Vudu i could feel the couch shake but couldn't hear the sub. I have just enough room for another Sentinel with the woofers facing outwards and enough space to walk behind the couch. any sub bigger than these then it wouldn't work too well.

Ampwise with my Epik, it's been nearly 7 years since i bought the sub and been running strong. i don't push it hard since i like it to blend in with the music and movies. not sure why the same amp in the Empire has struck out for so many people. I almost bought two MFW's instead back in 2009 but glad i didn't even though Mark's new versions kick much ass.
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2 more Empires down, hard to believe that just about six weeks I had 4 that were working just fine and now I have only one left that is still functional. Looks like I'll be looking at an external amp, just worried about the fan noise because the subs are in my living room.
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Does the amp need to be in the living room?

I really like the iNuke, but it's loud (and ugly-ish). I wouldn't recommend it for use IN a theater room unless you absolutely plan to swap the fan.
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Yeah, there's really no way around it

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2 more Empires down, hard to believe that just about six weeks I had 4 that were working just fine and now I have only one left that is still functional. Looks like I'll be looking at an external amp, just worried about the fan noise because the subs are in my living room.
The Crown XLS amps are very quiet, just no dsp eq if you need it (but a minidsp 2x4 would do it).
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The Crown XLS amps are very quiet, just no dsp eq if you need it (but a minidsp 2x4 would do it).
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if I were to sell my Sentinel, local only, what would be a fair price for a fully functional unit with no issues? I listed mine but I had someone contact me about it but is wanting to only off of the sale/introductory price of the sub and not by the actual cost of it which was 799. he wants to pay less then 300 for it. kind of insulting in a way that he doesn't want to pay much for it.

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if I were to sell my Sentinel, local only, what would be a fair price for a fully functional unit with no issues? I listed mine but I had someone contact me about it but is wanting to only off of the sale/introductory price of the sub and not by the actual cost of it which was 799. he wants to pay less then 300 for it. kind of insulting in a way that he doesn't want to pay much for it.
What does what you paid have to do with it? It's only worth as much as you can sell it for. $300 personally doesn't sound insulting IMO with an old amp and defunct company and all....
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