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post #10471 of 10500 Old 08-31-2014, 12:14 AM
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At what size of room would you say is the max for the SB13? This is one on my short list, and my room is roughly 3200 cu ft.
What cchunter said.

It depends upon what your goals are, and all rooms are different. Are you looking for a sub for music at moderate to high levels (say between 80-90 dB) or for movie LFE at reference levels? That being said, I own an SB13-Ultra and it's in a 3,500 cu. ft. room that is not sealed off. I use it for music only and it has no problems attaining moderate and high levels. I also tested it in a room of similar size for movie LFE and it did an excellent job, but won't compete with its bigger ported brother or other large ported models. I ended up with another sealed design (different manufacturer) for that room.
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I was concerned with how well it would stand up on the LFE side, and that pretty much answers my question. Thanks

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I'm getting ready to download Room EQ Wizard today. I was wondering what kind of mic I would need? Will my regular room correction mic work? Oh am I am testing the PB13 and SB13. The PB is winning so far.

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What's the size of the room they'll be in?
Hey Tom,

They'll be in about a 2,500 cubic foot room. The room is soundproofed and completely inclosed. They are currently standing at attention in my office while I wait for the carpet guy to come in about 2 weeks. These things are indeed massive! My wife is not as impressed as I am (; but they will be behind a screen and out of sight in the theater. Everyone that walks by them is blown away and thinks I'm insane! I'm pumped to fire these things up and I'll post my impressions once I do.

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Hey Tom,

They'll be in about a 2,500 cubic foot room. The room is soundproofed and completely inclosed. They are currently standing at attention in my office while I wait for the carpet guy to come in about 2 weeks. These things are indeed massive! My wife is not as impressed as I am (; but they will be behind a screen and out of sight in the theater. Everyone that walks by them is blown away and thinks I'm insane! I'm pumped to fire these things up and I'll post my impressions once I do.

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2 PCU 13's in a 2500cu/ft sealed room will not disappoint.

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Hey Tom,

They'll be in about a 2,500 cubic foot room. The room is soundproofed and completely inclosed. They are currently standing at attention in my office while I wait for the carpet guy to come in about 2 weeks. These things are indeed massive! My wife is not as impressed as I am (; but they will be behind a screen and out of sight in the theater. Everyone that walks by them is blown away and thinks I'm insane! I'm pumped to fire these things up and I'll post my impressions once I do.

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Well then ... I believe you'll have the low end of the frequency spectrum covered :-)

I just upgraded my PC12+ to the PC13ultra a few weeks ago in anticipation of our moving to a new house ... the HT will be in part of a 16' x 29' (approx. 6,000 cu.ft.) great room.

Joe ... please share with us some pics of the room when everything is assembled ... I imagine that those two ultras will fit nicely behind
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So far in testing the PB13 and the SB-13. The SB-13 is amazing! I listened to a JL e112 watching The Avengers, scrolled thru the movie for key action scenes at a local shop. The JL was really working. There's a part where Thor drops the hammer on Captain America. I wanted it to shake the earth but nothing. So I figured that part just may not have a lot of bass. Well watched it today with the SB-13 hooked up and realized that part was meant for bass. If I had the SB-13 and only the SB-13 I would have to say it is by far the best sealed subwoofer I've ever heard. It does have to work a bit but it does produce beyond what I thought it could. So after my flipping threw the movie a bit I decided to hook up the PB13. I ran the SB-13 at 0 and used the same set up for both on the processor. The PB13 was set to -7. It did not have to work at all to produce mega bass. When Thor dropped the hammer it felt like the air was being sucked out of the room. My wife and I are both agree that the PB13 has a feel of it sucking you into whatever you are watching and believe me, she really does not care about this stuff.
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I upgraded from Dual sb2000s to dual SB13 Ultras, I could not be any happier. I was innitally calling SVS to purchase PB2000's because i felt that at my playback levels the sb2000's were starting to sound distorted and for HT the bass was lacking. I was ready to purchase the pb2000's and suffer slightly in the music department and pick up big time in the HT.

well not sure what came over me but before you know it i am telling SVS I called to order dual SB13s. well two big 100 pound boxes showed up at my garage door, with in an hour i had run audssey bumped up the sub gain and its total bliss. They are much tighter, dig deeper, play louder and much clearer and smoother. I am thrilled I decided to drop big bucks and buy a pair of these.

I also recently upgraded from my Polk 703's that i used for mains to a pair of Salk HT2 TL's I did get a chance to hear the HT2s with the Sb2000's but they just sound phenomenal with the sb13s. Total Audio Bliss
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I upgraded from Dual sb2000s to dual SB13 Ultras, I could not be any happier. I was innitally calling SVS to purchase PB2000's because i felt that at my playback levels the sb2000's were starting to sound distorted and for HT the bass was lacking. I was ready to purchase the pb2000's and suffer slightly in the music department and pick up big time in the HT.

well not sure what came over me but before you know it i am telling SVS I called to order dual SB13s. well two big 100 pound boxes showed up at my garage door, with in an hour i had run audssey bumped up the sub gain and its total bliss. They are much tighter, dig deeper, play louder and much clearer and smoother. I am thrilled I decided to drop big bucks and buy a pair of these.

I also recently upgraded from my Polk 703's that i used for mains to a pair of Salk HT2 TL's I did get a chance to hear the HT2s with the Sb2000's but they just sound phenomenal with the sb13s. Total Audio Bliss
I also recently changed from 2xsb12 to 1xsb13ultra and kept one sb12 and OMG that is bass i was looking for...i am very very happy with ultra it really is an awesome sub cant wait to see next movie and listen to the next song I was also on the fence for pb2000 and i am glad i decided for sb13 ultra
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Well then ... I believe you'll have the low end of the frequency spectrum covered :-)

I just upgraded my PC12+ to the PC13ultra a few weeks ago in anticipation of our moving to a new house ... the HT will be in part of a 16' x 29' (approx. 6,000 cu.ft.) great room.

Joe ... please share with us some pics of the room when everything is assembled ... I imagine that those two ultras will fit nicely behind
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I did that too. In my view getting a better sub offers superior sound to dual lesser subs. The Ultras hit harder. Course you could get another Ultra..

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I would imagine going from say a PB2000 to a PB13-Ultra would be huge, just didn't think it would be as noticeable coming from a Plus model.

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I didn't realize you upgraded your Plus to an Ultra! May I ask why you didn't add a second Plus instead?
(1) the upgrade only cost me $400 ( outlet stock )

(2) superior sound ... the idea of having the top of the line Ultra is appealing

(3) finding a second location for dual subs might not be as easy as it, at first, sounds

(4) I'm actually comfortable with the idea of a single sub

(5) WAF ... if it was for a "bachelor pad", sure I could (a) afford a second PC12+, and sure I could (b) find a perfect location for the second sub (and the rest of my gear ... who needs a dining room table anyway :-) . That being said, my sweetheart is pretty understanding (especially considering she's literally deaf in one ear and impaired in the other). She's on board with my design for the layout of the new (29' x 16') great room that will include the HT, a dining room table, and the computer desk.

So to answer your question, in short: compromises :-)

Move in date: October 5th ... can't wait. Considering all the associated costs of moving, I didn't get much resistance to a sub upgrade and a b-stock Emotiva XPA-3 for the new 6,000 cu.ft. space.

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Hi Guys,

OK… I was playing around with the server scene on Pulse tonight, trying to track down a few rattles from last night (the wife and I started our annual Halloween-filmfest), and I wanna run this past the experts (you all).

My setup
- Dual PC13 cylinders (20Hz tune), each equidistant from the MLP at about 13’ (they flank the main channel).
- The sub amps are both set to -14dB (the highest Audyssey would allow before burying the needle at -12 on the AVR), and the AVR is set to -1dB. Audyssey originally set it at -10.5dB, and I found empirically that -6dB would yield a flat response relative to the satellites, so I’m running 5dB hot.
- Neither DynEQ nor Dynamic Volume are engaged (XT32 is, however).
- Room is approx 3200 ft^3

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- AVR MV at -9dB
- Playback of server room scene (2 parts)
- SPL meter (c-weighted) at MPL gave peaks of 100dB during the server room pulses

I established that none of the rattles (the door, the ductwork) can be damped realistically, but in figuring this out, I heard for the first time what may or may not be called chuffing. When standing next to each cylinder, with each “pulse” I could not only feel a gentle breeze from the ports, I could also hear a soft “whoosh” (for lack of a better term). It was far from the more aggressive “fart” that I have always heard is the hallmark of chuffing, and is certainly nothing I could possibly hear from the MLP. Does this sound normal?


The really weird thing is that the rattling and the "whoosh" only happened during the first part (when Mattie goes in and is almost "assimilated"). When Dexter goes in to upload the virus, the rattling is all but absent, and the "whoosh" is gone. Both scenes sound the same to me, but I do not claim to have "golden" ears...


P.S. My wife was upstairs, and commented that it was an extremely unsettling sensation, everything was rattling, and the dog was going nuts… guess that is a good thing…

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Hi Guys,

OK… I was playing around with the server scene on Pulse tonight, trying to track down a few rattles from last night (the wife and I started our annual Halloween-filmfest), and I wanna run this past the experts (you all).

My setup
- Dual PC13 cylinders (20Hz tune), each equidistant from the MLP at about 13’ (they flank the main channel).
- The sub amps are both set to -14dB (the highest Audyssey would allow before burying the needle at -12 on the AVR), and the AVR is set to -1dB. Audyssey originally set it at -10.5dB, and I found empirically that -6dB would yield a flat response relative to the satellites, so I’m running 5dB hot.
- Neither DynEQ nor Dynamic Volume are engaged (XT32 is, however).
- Room is approx 3200 ft^3

Experimental Conditions
- AVR MV at -9dB
- Playback of server room scene (2 parts)
- SPL meter (c-weighted) at MPL gave peaks of 100dB during the server room pulses

I established that none of the rattles (the door, the ductwork) can be damped realistically, but in figuring this out, I heard for the first time what may or may not be called chuffing. When standing next to each cylinder, with each “pulse” I could not only feel a gentle breeze from the ports, I could also hear a soft “whoosh” (for lack of a better term). It was far from the more aggressive “fart” that I have always heard is the hallmark of chuffing, and is certainly nothing I could possibly hear from the MLP. Does this sound normal?


The really weird thing is that the rattling and the "whoosh" only happened during the first part (when Mattie goes in and is almost "assimilated"). When Dexter goes in to upload the virus, the rattling is all but absent, and the "whoosh" is gone. Both scenes sound the same to me, but I do not claim to have "golden" ears...


P.S. My wife was upstairs, and commented that it was an extremely unsettling sensation, everything was rattling, and the dog was going nuts… guess that is a good thing…
I get the same sensation from my PC. Can't verify 1st part is louder than the 2nd part. The 1st part does push a lot of air. That's when I went from 16Hz to 20Hz to give it more room to breathe.

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I get the same sensation from my PC. Can't verify 1st part is louder than the 2nd part. The 1st part does push a lot of air. That's when I went from 16Hz to 20Hz to give it more room to breathe.
My situation differs from most of the people on this forum. I'm strictly 2 ch (stereo). I've read that the ultra subwoofers really shine in a HT set-up, more so than stereo only. I really enjoy my pcu 13's and they do enhance the musical experience.
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My situation differs from most of the people on this forum. I'm strictly 2 ch (stereo). I've read that the ultra subwoofers really shine in a HT set-up, more so than stereo only. I really enjoy my pcu 13's and they do enhance the musical experience.
Some people complain about the ported subs being "too slow" for music. Personally, I have no problem with mine when I play music. I think it's a great all-around sub.

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Agreed, My mains are paradigm 100's (ported) as well. Combining the mains with the SVS subs really is a bass filling experience!
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I had PC U 13 and SB U 13. Prefer the SB U for music. Found the PC U lacking in upper bass.

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I don't care if they are PC, PB, or SB, the bottom line is they are all Ultras and outstanding subs with anything you throw at them.

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I had PC U 13 and SB U 13. Prefer the SB U for music. Found the PC U lacking in upper bass.
Lacking in upper bass. Yes that could be. However, my main speakers cover the upper bass region.
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I apologize, as i assume this question has been asked before. How different is the output of the PC13-U versus the PB13-U? With each operating in say their 16hz tune mode, how would you estimate the numbers for a PC13U using the PB13U numbers (from data-bass.com for example) as a reference? Thanks.

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I apologize, as i assume this question has been asked before. How different is the output of the PC13-U versus the PB13-U? With each operating in say their 16hz tune mode, how would you estimate the numbers for a PC13U using the PB13U numbers (from data-bass.com for example) as a reference? Thanks.
The PB puts out 1-2db more than the PC. Basically, an inaudible difference.

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Lacking in upper bass. Yes that could be. However, my main speakers cover the upper bass region.
That's certainly not my experience with my 2 PB-13 Ultras... I get plenty of mid-bass. I listen to jazz, r&b and rock and the ported Ultras render the bass notes nicely. I've had sealed subs in the past and find the PB13-Ultras just as "musical".

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What do you guys think about pb-13 ultra in a 2000(two thousand) cubic ft sealed room ?Would that be mad ?

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What do you guys think about pb-13 ultra in a 2000(two thousand) cubic ft sealed room ?Would that be mad ?
Think that would be perfect IMO.

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What do you guys think about pb-13 ultra in a 2000(two thousand) cubic ft sealed room ?Would that be mad ?
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I have a PC in my convoluted 2244cuft room and will be getting a 2nd in a few months.

With dual subs, stack'em in the corner and put on a jockstrap. Don't want EVERYTHING in the room jingling!
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What do you guys think about pb-13 ultra in a 2000(two thousand) cubic ft sealed room ?Would that be mad ?
I have two PB-13 Ultras in a 1,750 cu ft sealed room. It's awesome!
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