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Hey guys, I'm going to buy the B&W 684 series speakers for my new house and the guy at the home theater store here in dallas is trying to sell me the B&W ASW610 sub for $510 (orig. $600). I mentioned I was going to buy the SVS since it's cheaper and has a higher wattage amp (B&W = 200w vs SVS = 300w) and the great reviews I've heard from this board but the sales guy mentioned that B&W worked with JL Audio on the ASW610 and that it's a really good sub....anyone here have any thoughts on this?

I haven't heard much about the ASW610 as far as performance and don't know much about it.

Thanks in advance, guys!!
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You might buy the B&W and bring it home for a trial, if they’ll allow you to return it. Then get REW and check its frequency response. If it won’t get solidly down to 18 –20 Hz like the PB10 will, return it!

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P.S. Click the link in my signature to find a review I did on the PB10. Maybe it’ll be helpful.

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I am also trying to decide on a subwoofer, ASW610, SVS PB12, REL T2. Any suggestions?

The other speakers are the B&W M1 (small speakers that do not provide much response below 100Hz).

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Hey guys, I'm going to buy the B&W 684 series speakers for my new house and the guy at the home theater store here in dallas is trying to sell me the B&W ASW610 sub for $510 (orig. $600). I mentioned I was going to buy the SVS since it's cheaper and has a higher wattage amp (B&W = 200w vs SVS = 300w) and the great reviews I've heard from this board but the sales guy mentioned that B&W worked with JL Audio on the ASW610 and that it's a really good sub....anyone here have any thoughts on this?

I haven't heard much about the ASW610 as far as performance and don't know much about it.

Thanks in advance, guys!!

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I am also trying to decide on a subwoofer, ASW610, SVS PB12, REL T2. Any suggestions?

The other speakers are the B&W M1 (small speakers that do not provide much response below 100Hz).

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You seem to be living in Canada. That makes it much harder to make a good recommendation. If you can tell us the prices of the subwoofers that you are interested in, we may be better able to help you.
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I haven't heard the 610 B&W but one thing is for sure, it is not going to compare to the SVS in either output or bass depth. It will probably sound ok over 30Hz but I'd bet the thing has not much output below 30Hz due to its weak amp, sealed enclosure and conventional driver. If that's ok with you then give it a try. Nobody is immune to the laws of physics which means that size and power matters

If you can try it in your own home then give it a try. If you can't, why risk it...because the PB10 is a proven performer capable of tremendous performance for its price. There aren't many retail subs that come close unless there is a closeout deal on one.

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In Canada, all the listed subwoofers are available at similar prices. I live close to Seattle where I can purchase any of them.

When the specs list the response below 30Hz for example, is this the ground shaking bass we hear? I am not looking for a powerful subwoofer, but one that will complement the M1s and deliver clean bass with music and movies.


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I haven't heard the 610 B&W but one thing is for sure, it is not going to compare to the SVS in either output or bass depth. It will probably sound ok over 30Hz but I'd bet the thing has not much output below 30Hz due to its weak amp, sealed enclosure and conventional driver. If that's ok with you then give it a try. Nobody is immune to the laws of physics which means that size and power matters

If you can try it in your own home then give it a try. If you can't, why risk it...because the PB10 is a proven performer capable of tremendous performance for its price. There aren't many retail subs that come close unless there is a closeout deal on one.

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In Canada, all the listed subwoofers are available at similar prices. I live close to Seattle where I can purchase any of them.

When the specs list the response below 30Hz for example, is this the ground shaking bass we hear? I am not looking for a powerful subwoofer, but one that will complement the M1s and deliver clean bass with music and movies.

Yes between 30-45 Hz is typically the "punch in the gut" sound we hear in explosions. But getting below 30Hz is when you feel the ground shaking, that rumble you feel in the floor when that earthquake, depth charge gets set off, or Martian pod comes out of the ground. It's very hard for most subs to get below 30Hz and do it cleanly.

Rel subs tend to do the 30Hz up very well but they seem to taper off rapidly below 30Hz. I haven't seen any measurements of the 610 but there is nothing about it on paper that suggests it will be comparable to the PB10 (which has been measured extensively by members to have solid output down to 20Hz and maybe lower)

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P.S. Click the link in my signature to find a review I did on the PB10. Maybe it'll be helpful.

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In your review you state that the PB10 will benefit from a power cord up to 30% better? Can you tell me which one?
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In your review you state that the PB10 will benefit from a power cord up to 30% better? Can you tell me which one?


With all due respect to Wayne, I would venture to say that more than 95% of PB 10 owners use the standard power cord, and that there is no scientific basis for using anything other than the standard power cord.

If a different power cord actually made anywhere near a 30% difference, SVS would be all over that.

You would be well advised to contact SVS before investing in a different power cord.
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I am not looking for a powerful subwoofer, but one that will complement the M1s and deliver clean bass with music and movies.

If lowest freq and highest output is less of a concern than music and ability to blend with satelittes, then I suggest a direct listening comparison.

Seeking a speaker recomendation? Compare for yourself or be swayed by others who hear differantly, or by marketing, or just save time and get the cheapest , nicest looking, or smallest.
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The reviews for the B&W ASW610 have been good, in its price range this sub rates better than many of its competitors. Check out the What Hi-Fi review, for example.

To claim the PB10-NSD is better without listening to both and basing conclusions on amplifier power and frequency range alone is a bit disingenuous, the B&W's amp was designed by Rotel.

The review mentioned above states:

"However, most of its rivals can go loud and deep: the ASW610’s edge lies [in] its lethally effective blend of power and poise, muscle and musicality."
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I mentioned I was going to buy the SVS since it's cheaper and has a higher wattage amp (B&W = 200w vs SVS = 300w)

An ever so slight correction. The SVS's amp is 325w (unless you are talking about a older used one).
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An ever so slight correction. The SVS's amp is 325w (unless you are talking about a older used one).

Another "correction": the street prices for the two are pretty close when you factor in shipping for the SVS product. Also - the SVS product weighs 60 lbs, the B&W 30 lbs - wow!

The What Hi-Fi review rated the ASW610 first versus the following:

#2 Velodyne Impact-12
#3 Tannoy TS-12
#4 Audio Pro Sub b1.36
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I was at my local HT store shopping for Projectors and notice the B&W ASW610, with a price tag of $600.

I asked to have it demo'd. The 1st thing the yorkie does is put his hand in the back of the amp-plate and cranks the volume all the way to 100%. He than plays it and I was too-bass'y IMHO and also not impressed with the bass output.

I then reached in the back and put it to the 10'clock position (like my Velodyne 10" / vx-11's) and the movie it was on was Avatar.

At end results, this sub is in NO WAY IN "HE*L" worth $600. I honestly call it out and say it, my VX-11 for $150 price is better than this ASW610.
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