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It's simple, all you have to do is eliminate all your unknowns.

Hmm...sounds like I might have to just do everything myself since one giant unknown was the entire production staff out sick for 3 days last week.

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obviously, the A7s is on the left. next to it, is a AV123 UFW-10 with a 10" driver just to give it some perspective. On the right is an axiom EP500 and the rest of the system includes RBH 661se center, 1266se front mains, 61se rears.

the screen is a carada criterion 118" with their bright white material.
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once the other A7S is returned, it will take the place of my Axiom Ep500.

so far, the sub looks and sounds great. i've only had it for a day, but to my wife, it is overkill and rattles the dishes upstairs in the kitchen (this HT is in the basement) She fears when the second one is added to the mix.
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freeflap - how does the eD sub compare to the EP500 musically?
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That's exactly what I've been trying to do. It's not quite a simple as it sounds though

People do not understand. All you have to be able to do is figure out ahead of time who is going to be sick, who is not going to show up for work, who is going to be late for work, what materials are going to be delayed, how long of a delay for the material, what equipment is going to breakdown, how long it is going to take to repair the equipment and guesstimate to within a couple percentage points what products are going to be ordered a month in advance. After you have that all figured out it is easy to give delivery times.

Why do you think construction project completion dates are constantly moving.
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Freeflap, How do you like your RBH speakers? I really like mine. You do not find very many people that even know about RBH. I am using three 661-SE's, four 760-SI's and an ED A7S-450 for my theater. Size is deceptive in that picture. The center channel that looks so small is a 35 pound speaker.
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*HELP PLEASE*

I'm getting ready to buy an eD 5.1 system. Although I'm having trouble deciding between the A3-300 and the A5-350. The A5-350 is about 200 more than the 300. Is there really that big of a difference? My living room is 17x20. The rest of the speakers will be A6-6T6 and A6 towers for the front. Any thoughts would be great!
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*HELP PLEASE*

I'm getting ready to buy an eD 5.1 system. Although I'm having trouble deciding between the A3-300 and the A5-350. The A5-350 is about 200 more than the 300. Is there really that big of a difference? My living room is 17x20. The rest of the speakers will be A6-6T6 and A6 towers for the front. Any thoughts would be great!

i think u will be fine with the A3-300 but if u can afford it get the A5
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*HELP PLEASE*

I'm getting ready to buy an eD 5.1 system. Although I'm having trouble deciding between the A3-300 and the A5-350. The A5-350 is about 200 more than the 300. Is there really that big of a difference? My living room is 17x20. The rest of the speakers will be A6-6T6 and A6 towers for the front. Any thoughts would be great!

2 thoughts: 1:Get the A5-350 w/500-watt amp. 2:Call ED and discuss it with them.

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Read Ed's RMA closely. Had three amps go out. Finally wanted a refund before my house burnt down. Shipped back first Amp 20.00/Shipped back first sub a5-300. 75.00, Got a replacement a5-350 because A5-300 was discontinued. That amp burned out. Shipped A5-350 back, 114.00. Got charged 110.00 for original shipment and packaging fees. Spent 329.00 in shipping and can't get that money back and I have nothing to show for it. They'll probably resale the amp for full price. Stay away and go to a more proffessional sub maker. You've been WARNED !!!!.
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freeflap - how does the eD sub compare to the EP500 musically?

can't say yet. one day of listening under the belt so far. clearly a different sound from my ported axiom.

any suggestions for music demo?

this system is mostly movies and xbox360. Unless you consider rock band on the xbox music!
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Freeflap, How do you like your RBH speakers? I really like mine. You do not find very many people that even know about RBH. I am using three 661-SE's, four 760-SI's and an ED A7S-450 for my theater. Size is deceptive in that picture. The center channel that looks so small is a 35 pound speaker.

hey mjg: that's alot of speakers in one system. how are you set up?

Yes, I saw you had rbh also. It is rare. I bought them after reading some reviews on audioholics. they seem to love them. i find them to be an excellent overall speaker that is clear, neutral and amazingly dynamic.
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Looks like there's a new subwoofer up on ED products page. Check it out here:
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Read Ed's RMA closely. Had three amps go out. Finally wanted a refund before my house burnt down. Shipped back first Amp 20.00/Shipped back first sub a5-300. 75.00, Got a replacement a5-350 because A5-300 was discontinued. That amp burned out. Shipped A5-350 back, 114.00. Got charged 110.00 for original shipment and packaging fees. Spent 329.00 in shipping and can't get that money back and I have nothing to show for it. They'll probably resale the amp for full price. Stay away and go to a more proffessional sub maker. You've been WARNED !!!!.

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Read Ed's RMA closely. Had three amps go out. Finally wanted a refund before my house burnt down. Shipped back first Amp 20.00/Shipped back first sub a5-300. 75.00, Got a replacement a5-350 because A5-300 was discontinued. That amp burned out. Shipped A5-350 back, 114.00. Got charged 110.00 for original shipment and packaging fees. Spent 329.00 in shipping and can't get that money back and I have nothing to show for it. They'll probably resale the amp for full price. Stay away and go to a more proffessional sub maker. You've been WARNED !!!!.

Seems like they shouldn't have charged $110 for "original shipment." But, why did you give up so soon? They provide free shipping back and forth to replace amps and drivers for their subwoofers.
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troll

Just because he is a mad about his experience with ED doesn't make him a troll. Look at his post history. It backs up everything he has said.
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hey mjg: that's alot of speakers in one system. how are you set up?

Yes, I saw you had rbh also. It is rare. I bought them after reading some reviews on audioholics. they seem to love them. i find them to be an excellent overall speaker that is clear, neutral and amazingly dynamic.

I am running a 7.1 set up. The front right and left are SI-760's (not 760-SI's like I said above) and the two back channel surrounds are also SI-760's. A SI-760 is a cabinet type speaker designed to fit in a wall and match with the 661-SE's. My front center is a 661-SE and my right and left rear channel are also 661-SE's and of course my sub is the A7S-450. I am viewing mine on a 50" Sony SXRD with a 106" Da-Lite High Power that drops down in front of the TV.

I agree with you the RBH speakers are very clear and dynamic. My brother has a pair of Meridian DSP6000's and he is surprised at how good my system sounds with music.
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Read Ed's RMA closely. Had three amps go out. Finally wanted a refund before my house burnt down. Shipped back first Amp 20.00/Shipped back first sub a5-300. 75.00, Got a replacement a5-350 because A5-300 was discontinued. That amp burned out. Shipped A5-350 back, 114.00. Got charged 110.00 for original shipment and packaging fees. Spent 329.00 in shipping and can't get that money back and I have nothing to show for it. They'll probably resale the amp for full price. Stay away and go to a more proffessional sub maker. You've been WARNED !!!!.

i totally agree, and how can you say he is a troll? i say that with time effort and money invested he should be able to say and do what ever he wants!
i was reading last nite about another a5-350 owner that is on his third amp, and he is happy. is he nuts? if third amp ok if its been 15 yrs.
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Freeflap, PLEASE move those speakers out from the wall! You have MAGNIFICENT speakers, give 'em a chance! It makes a WORLD of difference in the sound quality. I sincerely doubt that your center channel is designed to mount directly against a wall. As I am finishing re-working my home theater (and patiently awaiting my A7-900) I have been playing around w/ speaker placement as well as beginning the acoustic treatments.

When we place speakers up against a wall, we are significantly altering the frequency response and clarity. Instead of the speaker radiating into a 'full-space', you are now only using a 'half-space' which is important for the lower frequencies. Unfortunately, your crossovers were not designed to do that.

I bought a pair of the eD 6T6 Towers for listening in another room. They certainly are not high-end speakers by any stretch, but as they break in, the sound is improving. Initially I had them placed about 8" from the back wall (room logistics and appearance issues for the wife) and they sounded quite muddy. By moving them about 20" out from the wall, it made a tremendous difference.

Same issue applies w/ side walls. That is why I dislike the narrow theaters that many setup. You need a LOT of sound absorption to deal with that (and is why I set up my theater wider rather than deeper...although I only wanted one 'fixed' set of seats).

Moving the LCR speakers off the front wall and getting some absorption material behind them will make a big difference...give it a try!

Sorry for the long OT digression, but I thought that it might prove useful to some who are viewing this thread.
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I'm a little burned I guess that I'm out 300 plus dollars and have nothing to show for it. I didn't want a forth amp but can you blame me. I never really had a sub since May of 07 and was tired of melt downs. There's been multiple people with the same problem and ED never has denied amp problems. I feel they should've tried to make it right with me and they didn't. I bought a SVS pbs12/2 instead and have never been happier. I'm just stating to be careful with Ed A3-550 subs so you don't go through the loss I've taken. Good Luck HT lovers.
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I'm a little burned I guess that I'm out 300 plus dollars and have nothing to show for it. I didn't want a forth amp but can you blame me. I never really had a sub since May of 07 and was tired of [i]melt downs. There's been multiple people with the same problem and ED never has denied amp problems. I feel they should've tried to make it right with me and they didn't. I bought a SVS pbs12/2 instead and have never been happier. I'm just stating to be careful with Ed A3-550 subs so you don't go through the loss I've taken. Good Luck HT lovers.

Someone from eD should chime in here.
I have not paid one penny for the amp returns, everything was prepaid.

i totally agree, and how can you say he is a troll? i say that with time effort and money invested he should be able to say and do what ever he wants!
i was reading last nite about another a5-350 owner that is on his third amp, and he is happy. is he nuts? if third amp ok if its been 15 yrs
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I am only assuming you meant me.
Yes, it is a slight pain in the butt, however... they have never denied it was the amp and not me the user being an ass and cranking it too loud.
Chris as I said in another thread called me to let me know that they are getting the amps all fixed before shipping.
They can't seem to replicate the failure at the shop, but the vendor has solved the issue and a fix was made.
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Someone from eD should chime in here.
I have not paid one penny for the amp returns, everything was prepaid.

i totally agree, and how can you say he is a troll? i say that with time effort and money invested he should be able to say and do what ever he wants!
i was reading last nite about another a5-350 owner that is on his third amp, and he is happy. is he nuts? if third amp ok if its been 15 yrs
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I am only assuming you meant me.
Yes, it is a slight pain in the butt, however... they have never denied it was the amp and not me the user being an ass and cranking it too loud.
Chris as I said in another thread called me to let me know that they are getting the amps all fixed before shipping.
They can't seem to replicate the failure at the shop, but the vendor has solved the issue and a fix was made.

They've already chimed in again and again. The same 3 people repost this garbage every few weeks.
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paisteman, im sorry about the nuts comment. not really ment that way. you just have way more patience then i could ever have.
again sorry.
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paisteman, im sorry about the nuts comment. not really ment that way. you just have way more patience then i could ever have.
again sorry.
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Mike, no worries. I am impatient about many things, I just have speakers that are loaded with 2 10" woofers each and shakers under my couch.
It's not a sub, but it tides me over till I get my boom box going again.
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My a7s-450 has been "In Final Assembly" for 5 days now..Wonder when it's gonna ship..Also wonder if mwf-15 is not better than it according to Craig.
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My a7s-450 has been "In Final Assembly" for 5 days now..Wonder when it's gonna ship..Also wonder if mwf-15 is not better than it according to Craig.

It sounds like you're going to have the A7S regardless of Craig's assessment?? Stop wondering and enjoy!

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Well if I knew it was inferior I'd just go and cancel it before it's shipped, for a full refund. Too bad craig is not getting one to review for may be a year, who knows.

The other thing I'm wondering is that it states about the 19Ov.2 : Power Handling : 650/1100 WRms...I wonder if 1300 watt amp would not destroy that driver, especially since the peak power could be like 3000 watts.
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