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I could be totally wrong, but I don't think most CDs have an LFE channel. Aren't the majority of them 2 channel audio? If so, that would explain it I think. Your movies are using the LFE channel of the audio track to send to the sub. Unless you have it wired to have stereo go to the sub as well, I wouldn't expect you to get anything.

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true CD's typically don't have an LFE track, but a receiver still sends info to the bass/LFE channel. so his sub should be playing bass.

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Ok, so Ive had my eD A2-300 for a little over a month now and love this sub. After tweaking the settings on it and my Pioneer 1019 receiver I feel like it is dialed in for movies. I get a great low-end rumble with movies like the Hurt Locker, TS, Transformers, etc. My question is this.....I am not getting the same low-end when I play music. Its almost as if the bassline isnt even there (very odd). I have tried several different types of music via CD's being played through my PS3 (all HDMI connections running through the Pio). I have tried playing Stevie Ray Vaughen, who's bass player usually plays the rolling type of bass runs. I have tried ACDC back in black as well as Pink Flyod Dark side of the moon. I even put in a couple rap type of CD's. I just dont seem to get the rumble with music as I do with movies. Its almost inaudible. I ran McAcc through the Pioneer and set the fronts to small and have the X-over at 80Hz. I would think maybe the settings were totally out of line if I wasnt getting such a fabulous sound from movies....any ideas?

hit the reciever button on the bottom of the remote for the 1019 then hit standard so music is played through all speakers and see if you get your bass.
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Actually I was listening to music with my A2-300 through my computer on Friday and I noticed that I only experienced powerful bass when I had the volume up extremely loud. Otherwise, I didn't really hear it.
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Actually I was listening to music with my A2-300 through my computer on Friday and I noticed that I only experienced powerful bass when I had the volume up extremely loud. Otherwise, I didn't really hear it.

Could be the incoming voltage was not high enough for the amp.

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Just curious, I couldn't find it on their website. Does eD have a 30 day trial like SVS and others?

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Given that they build every sub to order, this option seems highly unlikely. From my knowledge, I believe the only option is to have confidence in its strong, supportive fan base and simply bite the bullet. At least that's my story.

We do offer a 30 day return period like much of our competition.

This is listed under our warranty/ return page.
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Anyone heard both the A7s-450 and the A5-350? I am thinking of adding two of one of these to my 2700 cf sealed theater. Adding to my current MFW15. What would be the difference in performance for these two in this set up?

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We do offer a 30 day return period like much of our competition.

This is listed under our warranty/ return page.

Glad I was proven otherwise. No better info than from the source.
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Anyone heard both the A7s-450 and the A5-350? I am thinking of adding two of one of these to my 2700 cf sealed theater. Adding to my current MFW15. What would be the difference in performance for these two in this set up?

I can't say for the A7S-450, but I have heard the A5-350 and it is a great sub. I would lean more towards the A5 if you are pairing it with a MFW as both are ported 15's. Alot of people (including eD when I asked) discourage mixing sealed and ported subs due to the roll off differences. I'm sure both are great, but that's my 0.02 cents.
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Don't forget tonight is the last night to get the A2-300 for $350.

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Ok, so Ive had my eD A2-300 for a little over a month now and love this sub. After tweaking the settings on it and my Pioneer 1019 receiver I feel like it is dialed in for movies. I get a great low-end rumble with movies like the Hurt Locker, TS, Transformers, etc. My question is this.....I am not getting the same low-end when I play music. Its almost as if the bassline isnt even there (very odd). I have tried several different types of music via CD's being played through my PS3 (all HDMI connections running through the Pio). I have tried playing Stevie Ray Vaughen, who's bass player usually plays the rolling type of bass runs. I have tried ACDC back in black as well as Pink Flyod Dark side of the moon. I even put in a couple rap type of CD's. I just dont seem to get the rumble with music as I do with movies. Its almost inaudible. I ran McAcc through the Pioneer and set the fronts to small and have the X-over at 80Hz. I would think maybe the settings were totally out of line if I wasnt getting such a fabulous sound from movies....any ideas?

When I switch to listen to music (cd or pandora or whatever) things sound like they're asleep until I switch it to "stereo" mode, the mains really kick in and the lfe line comes alive. For my Onkyo it's not the "all channel stereo" that does it just the standard stereo setting, you might try it if you haven't yet.
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Alright guys, my a7-900 arrived today and I haven't posted because I have been playing with it all day! It turned out that there must have been some sort of mix-up with the shipping company because it showed up at my house on a semi with NO lift gate! And of course I spent my very last vacation day to be home to receive it today so it was comin off today one way or another, especially since I've been waiting since december for it. Needless to say 3 people got it on the ground then up 6 steps into my house Don't ask...

Knowing the dimensions and 400lb weight ahead of time in no way prepared me for what it was like to "rub noses" with this thing! This truly is a monolith. And if you can believe it the sweet spot for the room ended up being right in the only spot that there was an empty space so we didn't have to move even one thing in the room to accommodate it. I incorporated it into the following components: Onkyo 805 pre/pro, (3) Onkyo tx-8555 outboard amps powering a pair of def tech 7001sc towers, clr3000 center, and a pair of bpvx surrounds. All of these were previously eq'd with Audyssey. I have the 7001's x'ed at 50 hz, 3000 x'ed at 60, and the bpvx's at 80hz. LPF of lfe set at 90 hz and the trim levels for all speakers and the sub set within 1db of each other. Dial on a7-900 set at 10 o'clock. I watched the first transformers movie and was promptly blown away, just as I expected! That scene near the end when Ironhyde does the cartwheel over the girl... it literally felt like there was an earthquake in the house. I could feel the floor shaking under my feet, my clothes vibrating against my skin, unoccupied furniture beginning to walk! I found myself wondering how the walls were still in tact. You know that feeling after an adrenaline crash when you just feel kind of washed out and weak? That's how I felt by the time the movie got over, I couldn't take any more and for the first time my thirst for the full movie experience was completely satisfied. This is the first speaker I've ever come across that I can honestly say that I never want to find out what it's capable of. I've heard people talk like that and always thought it was kind of a stupid thing to say but trust me on this one. I have a spl meter here that goes up to 130 db's and this sub pegged it with the dial at 10 o'clock... I think I'm good

Another cool benefit to the sub placement I ended up with is that it actually created 3 "hot spots" in my listening room, I verified this both by perception and instrumentally. You'll see in the pics below, but both of the lazy boy chairs are in sweet zones and the closer you move towards the front left tower the louder the bass gets. Other places in the room are down about 5 db's from these locations.

If you can't tell I am thoroughly pleased and could not recommend this sub enough to anyone who is considering it. A fantastic piece of engineering mastery and I'm sure I'll only learn to appreciate it more the longer I own it. Thanks eD!! Hope you enjoy the pics and if anyone wants more or would like additional info/thoughts feel free to message me and I will gladly talk plenty more about it if you like!

Oh yeah, see, that's my wife in the picture and she's 5'6" to give you some perspective. Doesn't the look on her face just sum it up! "How come we only got one of these?" At least that's what I allow myself to believe she is thinking






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There is NO hiding that monster sub!
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omg, that's a huge b!tch!!! (the sub!)
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Dear god, don't blow the windows out. Sort of a small space for all of that bass Great looking sub, enjoy it. Sounds like you already are.
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It dwarfs the fireplace

OMFG! And I was worried about the 300 having too much bass. WOW!

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First I want to say that sub is nasty! Shwoo I wish I was close to you so I could hear the beast and blow my ears off



Second I know this is the sub forum, but since we don't have a general ED product thread I am going to post my question in here like others. Since I am going to order the Emotiva XPA-5 I figured perhaps I should upgrade my speakers to some thing that can handle the power out put of the amp a little better. For awhile I thought I would move from the Jamo E660's and go to the C80 series if I ever upgraded. Well since I am in the market to purchase 2 Jamo 807 towers, a 80 center and 4 c80 surrounds I figured I'd check ED's site and look at their theater speakers a bit. I could save a lot if I went with ED's US-6T6 line or even their A6- 6T6 line. I'm thinking you'd want the US's if your going to play more Movies correct? Would any one be able to tell me how they think or know the two above ED line speakers would compare with the Jamo C80 (Concert) line? If not that's fine. I am sure Alex will chime in when he gets a chance. .................is the US-6T6 line a in wall speaker? It's hard to tell.

On another note I was so busy this weekend that I forgot to place a order for another A2-300 before the price increase. Darn! Anyone not able to place a order who would have wanted to before the increase?

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Limp Fox, I just checked their website and they haven't updated the price yet so you might still be able to sneak in before the increase. It's almost 7:30am Central time as I type this and it's still showing $350.

Edit to add: Now (10:00am) it looks like they have updated the website, and it is now showing $415.
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I just got done tweaking my a3-250. I am happy with it, but i am afraid i may not be doing something right.

First off, Brett from ed spent 30 minutes on the phone diagnosing and fixing the issues i had with a slap from my new sub. Great customer service!

Secondly, I need some advice on settings. I also have a pioneer 1019, and i can't seem to get much base out of my PS3, any music (whether ipod or cd) or my cable (all HDMI). The cable and PS3 are in Dobly, so i am pretty confused. I ran MCACC, and when i play a blu-ray it sounds pretty good, but still not as boomy as i thought it would. It just seems soft. Do i need a Y splitter? Advice?

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I can't say for the A7S-450, but I have heard the A5-350 and it is a great sub. I would lean more towards the A5 if you are pairing it with a MFW as both are ported 15's. Alot of people (including eD when I asked) discourage mixing sealed and ported subs due to the roll off differences. I'm sure both are great, but that's my 0.02 cents.

I was questioning that as well. Ed actually recommended the A7s units to go with the mfw over the ported A5's. You can't go wrong either way. I am just curious what the difference is performance wise between a couple sealed
18's or the ported 15's?

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Anyone heard both the A7s-450 and the A5-350? I am thinking of adding two of one of these to my 2700 cf sealed theater.

Yes I have heard both. If you can be patient, some time in the next few weeks my brothers and I are going to do a sub-shootout between the A7s-450, the A5-350 and a custom A5s-325. We will post our results here and at eD's forums.

btw I suggest you get just ONE sub first. you might find it is more than enough for a 2700ft³ room.

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Yes I have heard both. If you can be patient, some time in the next few weeks my brothers and I are going to do a sub-shootout between the A7s-450, the A5-350 and a custom A5s-325. We will post our results here and at eD's forums.

btw I suggest you get just ONE sub first. you might find it is more than enough for a 2700ft³ room.

Very interesting. That should be fun.

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I notice on ED's website it says the A7S-450 can go down to 22hz un-eqed. How low can it go being eq'ed? Anyone know?
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I notice on ED's website it says the A7S-450 can go down to 22hz un-eqed. How low can it go being eq'ed? Anyone know?

Well i play a 10hz test tone and the room shakes so I'd say at least 10hz. That's eq'd or un eq'd, it just plays louder when its eq'd.

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You know that feeling after an adrenaline crash when you just feel kind of washed out and weak? That's how I felt by the time the movie got over, I couldn't take any more and for the first time my thirst for the full movie experience was completely satisfied.

Well put. I have the same reaction. Now and again I'll get an adrenaline dump during a scene. Its almost more like taking an amusement park ride than watching a movie. Its crazy big, but short of more expensive sealed subs that are smaller, that seems to be the price for an experience like no other.

You're gonna have fun going through all your movies!
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Congratulations Sideofpotatos on your A7-900 purchase. I used to have the A7-900 (old style). It was a lot of fun. Had to sell it only because I could not get it up into the new room. Not to get off track but I have to say I was never really of big fan of Michael Jackson. But the Blu ray of This Is It has NEVER made MY P7-650s sound so good. A coworker let me take it home for demo. I watched the whole thing. I then ordered it from Amazon to have for reference.

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Ok, so I got my sub on Friday and the amp was blowing fuses. I got the replacement amp today and the green light is on, but I don't hear anything. I checked the connections of the RCA on both sides and they are fine. I opened the sub back up to make sure something didn't get disconnected, and everything looks connected. I checked receiver settings and yes the LFE is turned on and set to 80. Crossover on the sub is set to max and level is half way.

So did I get another bad amp or am I overlooking something? Something I noticed is that the light seems to take longer to turn green than the first amp did.

Also I don't know if this means anything, but on Saturday when I was testing the sub... I heard a pop during the movie and then the second time I heard it, the sub turned off and I found out that it blew a breaker. What was that first pop? Is there another breaker somewhere else in the sub?

I'm supposed to have a gathering tonight to watch Lost, and so it would be nice to have this working. Any suggestions? It's an A2-300 and my receiver is an Onkyo 607.

I tried chat, but no one answered. I called the number on their webpage, and I got a fax sound. I emailed them, but I thought I would post here as well.
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yeah there are two fuses in the LT/1300, but the driver could be the problem too. if no one answers on chat, just keep trying every 5-10minutes. you'll get thru - trust me I spent a loooooot of time in the chat window.

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Ok, so I got my sub on Friday and the amp was blowing fuses. I got the replacement amp today and the green light is on, but I don't hear anything. I checked the connections of the RCA on both sides and they are fine. I opened the sub back up to make sure something didn't get disconnected, and everything looks connected. I checked receiver settings and yes the LFE is turned on and set to 80. Crossover on the sub is set to max and level is half way.

So did I get another bad amp or am I overlooking something? Something I noticed is that the light seems to take longer to turn green than the first amp did.

Also I don't know if this means anything, but on Saturday when I was testing the sub... I heard a pop during the movie and then the second time I heard it, the sub turned off and I found out that it blew a breaker. What was that first pop? Is there another breaker somewhere else in the sub?

I'm supposed to have a gathering tonight to watch Lost, and so it would be nice to have this working. Any suggestions? It's an A2-300 and my receiver is an Onkyo 607.

I tried chat, but no one answered. I called the number on their webpage, and I got a fax sound. I emailed them, but I thought I would post here as well.

I'm pretty sure there is only one fuse in that amp and it's where the power connector is. If you are blowing fuses then most likely this is a symptom of the problem and not the actual problem. If you are replacing fuses then make sure it is a "slow blow" fuse. http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2102762
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