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Hello,

I have started this thread with permission from the moderator. Now everybody can post about their elemental design subs.

I will start by saying that my 6 week wait for my A7-900 was well worth the wait! This sub has all the detail, low level response and punch that I had hoped for! It is simply amazing what this sub does for 2,000.00 delivered.
I want to thank Chris and Alex and all the gang at ED for such a fine product.
This sub will be in my theater for many years to come.

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rmlowz,
how is the a7-900 compared to the danley? You have 3 of the best. How is the a7-900 compared to the Ultra's, I owned those and a comparison would be great for me.
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Sounds like you got the feet fixed and are enjoying...way to go.

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Nice Rich.

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Nice... Any pics of the A7-450 Chris? Or ETA?
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I just ordered an A3-300 and wait time is 5-6 weeks. I can't wait! I have an Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus and whichever is better between the two stays in my living room and the other one goes up to my bedroom. I have hardwood flooring and the Auralex Gramma did stop unnecessary vibrations. I was able to dial up the volume on Outlaw more. I'll see if Ed A3-300 can surpass this having the same specs.

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For those folks on the fence, this month is the month to buy now. January 1st will bring an increase in prices. No word on amount, but they said "not a freakish amount"

http://blog.edesignaudio.com/?p=197#comments

Essentially it's coming down to increased cost of materials for the company.
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Hello,

I have started this thread with permission from the moderator. Now everybody can post about their elemental design subs.

I will start by saying that my 6 week wait for my A7-900 was well worth the wait! This sub has all the detail, low level response and punch that I had hoped for! It is simply amazing what this sub does for 2,000.00 delivered.
I want to thank Chris and Alex and all the gang at ED for such a fine product.
This sub will be in my theater for many years to come.

Thanks again,
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Nice. I have been sending the link to the A7-900 to my wife every few days leading up to Xmas hoping one (or even better, two) show up under the tree.

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Nice. I have been sending the link to the A7-900 to my wife every few days leading up to Xmas hoping one (or even better, two) show up under the tree.

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Nice. I have been sending the link to the A7-900 to my wife every few days leading up to Xmas hoping one (or even better, two) show up under the tree.

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Doesn't sound like it/they (depending on how generous the wife is feeling) will be making it under your Christmas tree in time, unless she already ordered it/them a while ago. Still, I would love an A7-900 for Christmas, and I think it would be worth the wait if they didn't come until later

Come to think of it, that will have to be one huge Christmas tree for one or more A7-900's to fit BENEATH it!
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Doesn't sound like it/they (depending on how generous the wife is feeling) will be making it under your Christmas tree in time, unless she already ordered it/them a while ago. Still, I would love an A7-900 for Christmas, and I think it would be worth the wait if they didn't come until later

Come to think of it, that will have to be one huge Christmas tree for one or more A7-900's to fit BENEATH it!

I can live with a little delay in arrival. :-)

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Rich ... As with everyone else here, I cannot wait to read your DETAILED impressions of the A7-900, especially compared to the Conquest and Danley.

I will even say please ....
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I thought wives in general hated a7-900 just like any other good sounding piece of audio equipment
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I thought wives in general hated a7-900 just like any other good sounding piece of audio equipment

I fail to see how size alone could turn them off.....and I will leave it at that. :-)

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Hello forum friends,

Quote:Nice Rich.

You must compare things....you must.

I really did not start this thread to compare. I wanted to post my opinion about the A7-900 and did not know where to start. The ED posts and threads are all over the place. I did the search and was amazed that there was no Official thread for everybody to join in no matter what ED sub they have.

As we all know the quote is from Chris at ED. At his request I will give my opinion on what I heard at my house. The A7-900 has the slam (output) like no other sub I have owned! Dual 18s with 1300 watts. I never went passed 11:00 on the volume knob on the A7-900 last night. Tonight I went to 1:00 SCARY! It is also very musical on what I listened to, Holly Cole Train Song is one of my favorite sub tests along with Marcus Miller the sun don't lie CD.

MKtheater wanted to know what I thought about the A7-900 compared to the Klipsch Ultras IIs. They are very good subs but they are not in the same league after further testing. I thought I would never say that. For Craig, the Danley in my room will still go lower. The A7-900 will blow the Danley out of the room in output. I thought I never would say that either ! The Epik Conquest is right there with the A7-900. The A7-900 has the edge for that kick drum musical experience it does not have the output that the A7-900 has. This is just a hobby for me and I really don't think there is THE Best Of anything in A/V. There are a lot of new Companies (to me) that are at a level of performancw for the dollar that should make a lot of my forum friends happy for a long time. OK I am done now as they say in Texas ya'll have fun now.

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Thanks rmlowz. I thought that would be the case. Now my question is do you miss the extra low end you get with the danley when using the A7-900? Or does the A7-900 make up for it with the massive output?
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Hello Mktheater,

For home theater, I think the output makes up for it.

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Thanks again. Are you still using the growlers? How is the sound of the growlers compared to the A7-900 at the Growlers frequency range? How do the new subs blend with the klipschorns? You have one fine speaker sub system.
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Hello,

Yes, I still have the Growlers what they do with the Danley combo is give you that 40 Hz kick you in the chest bass. The Danley will do 60 Hz on down. The A7-900 will do that 40 Hz easily. There are big bass bargains out there let me tell you. What I paid for the Danley and amp (two years ago) and the Growlers recently...For what you can buy today A7-900 for 2 k shipped!!
I know I am in the ED thread but it all depends on how much your theater can hold. I will have my Conquest and the Growlers in mine for a long time. Both subs blend very well with the Khorns.

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As promised. Chris and myself have been hashing out some of this pricing for the last week really struggling to not pull a 'sales were good so they decided to hose everyone'.

This pricing will NOT go up until January 1st, 2008. This new pricing will still allow you to use 15% package discounts. It also includes shipping on orders to US CONUS 48 States.

A2-250 :
Currently : $300.00
Will Go Up To : $325.00

A2-300 :
Currently : $350.00
Will Go Up To : $375.00

A3-250 :
Currently : $350.00
Will Go Up To : $375.00

A3-300 (Standard Driver) :
Currently : $450.00
Will Go Up To : $475.00

A3-300 (Upgraded Driver) :
Currently : $480.00
Will Go Up To : $500.00

A5-350 (350w Amplifier) : 350w option to be added Jan 1st, 2008. -> i think this should be called A3-350
Currently : N/A
Will Go Up To : $650.00

A5-350 (550w Amplifier) :
Currently : $600.00
Will Go Up To : $715.00

A7S-450 (550w Amplifier) :
Currently : $700.00
Will Go Up To : $775.00

A7s-450(1300w Amplifier) :
Currently : $785.00
Will Go Up To : $850.00

A7-450 :
Currently : $1,300.00
Will Go Up To : $1300.00

A7-600 :
Currently : $1,100.00
Will Go Up To : Will be discontinued and no longer production item.

A7-700 :
Currently : $1,600.00
Will Go Up To : $1,600

A7-900 :
Currently : $2,000.00
Will Go Up To : $2,200.00

There is quite a bit of information to be populated on the A7-450/A7S-450 tomorrow. Please give us through tomorrow to get all that stuff online.

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not nearly as bad as it could be for the products they put out and considering shipping and...well evertying else they do so well...
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thats pretty much just adding shipping into what they costed. i'm very surprised its only this much. should still be a good bang / buck subwoofer
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Chris,
Even with such a small bump in prices, I'm interested to see how flooded you guys get before the increase takes affect. You will have to let us know after the first of the year. I also noticed my A7-450 made it into paint today
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I'm really looking forward to seeing initial reports about the A7-450. If it can manage Conquest-like performance for about 3/4 of the price, it's going to be a real killer.
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Conquest is most likely louder since its driver has higher excursion, and the cabinet deeper but the 450 might be cleaner/more musical
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the "cleaner/musical" qualities are very subjective, and in this level of subwoofers, we've seen both eD and Epik subs deliver "musical" performance at the highest levels.

from a Physics standpoint, it is much easier to predict how each will behave. Both are 18" ported subs, in relatively big enclosures and similar power plants. The big difference is, of course, the driver.

the Conquest is using one of the most high powered 18" drivers out there, with mid to high 30's mm Xmax, 75mm peak to peak, 70+ lbs behemoth with a triple stack magnet that is over 9" in Diameter alone. It is rated to very high power ratings, and of course, those who have used Chad's drivers in the past (ie, Avalanche, havoc, etc) know about their accuracy and transparency.

the eD is using this driver if I'm not mistaken (someone please correct me if this is not the case):
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...products_id=37
It has 22mm Xmax, an Fs of 26Hz, a Qts of .369, and has a pretty small motor in comparison.

I would have to think that unless something is drastically wrong, the Conquest should deliver substantially higher output and deeper extension, while maintaining as musical (if not more) a quality, subjectively speaking of course. Of course, the eD is cheaper as mentioned.
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Well for some reason Craig rated the a7-900 higher for music, and originally the difference was more than 1 point..I dunno if dual vs single has any impact on that but the driver and the amp are the same in 900 vs 450..If there is a difference its not too great of course.
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I really appreciate the fact that the eD crew came out honestly and let us (bass addicts) know about the increase in pricing for the near future AND now actually post the the new prices that will take effect. They didn't have to do that BUT they did, any other company would just change the pricing overnight. Also for the continued support of their product line here in terms of answering PMs, emails, our endless questions, etc.

For those on the fence, you now know the pricing of the future, almost a full 3 weeks in advance. I almost feel like an insider to eD knowing their advanced pricing plans. Almost, because I still have to wait for my 350 like everyone else.

Keep up the great work eD!
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Rich,

If all these subs are in one dedicated room...I'd really like to see what that looks like...I hope the floor is reinforced.

On the SQ question, since both Craig and Rich find the A7-900 extremely pleasing, I'd venture that the dual drivers are working less hard and exceptionally well together.

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