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New to higher end hi fi getting marantz 8801/8077 pre/pro running paradigms monitor 9's and surrounds and rears and matching center for 7.1. My room is 8.5hx12wx24l and opens to kitchen dinning of same size. I am looking to spend $1000 to $1500 per sub and it will be %70r ht and rest music. I want dropping ht with excellent music. Anything but rap, hip hop, and r&b prefer country classic rock rock jazz. Etc. So sealed or ported? And the two brands I have been reviewing are svs and ryhtmik's. Please help
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Hey Guys,

Fairly new to the forum, and frankly, I'm so overwhelmed with all of the great info, i get totally lost.....:eek:

I'm looking for a replacement subwoofer because I just upgraded my receiver to a Yamaha RX-V673 (From an old Kenwood VR-615)

The Kenwood had a 100w passive sub (only 2 spring clips), but the new Yamaha requires an active sub.

 

1. budget.- $150-$250

2. Size requirements/limits. -  None really, but would like to keep about the same size as the Kenwood (about 12"x12"x14")

3. Room dimensions. 24'x16' - but system is set up on the 16' as the viewing length, and the 24' width.

4. Primary uses - TV and Movies (BD)

5. Listening habits.-  normal viewing level - rarely loud. (about 40-30db)

6. Appearance requirements. None

7. Timeframe. None



current setup:
Currently using the old Kenwood speakers for my surround, until I can afford to upgrade those.  But honestly, they sound pretty good.
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That is a big room I'd consider SVS PB1000 minimum. Save up, $200 won't get you much.
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That is a big room I'd consider SVS PB1000 minimum. Save up, $200 won't get you much.

Really?   My Kenwood 100W was a good level for this room, so I was thinking I could stay around the same.   I don't blast my sub too much, but enough to give the sound some bottom.

And my viewing size in this room is about 16'x16'

Thanks for the recommendation tho.

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That is a big room I'd consider SVS PB1000 minimum. Save up, $200 won't get you much.

 

Thanks again for the recommend.

I ended up going lower-end for now to try it out.  Ended up getting a Polk 10-inch.

I don't need much, just something to support the bottom end since the wife always complains that I listen to movies too loud anyway.....LOL.

Plus I'll probably save up and replace all of the speakers at some point.

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Hey guys. Looks like the sub for my Infinity TSS-800 setup went out. I still use the 5 satellite speakers from it, but I am going to need a new sub!

1. budget.- $150

2. Size requirements/limits. - None.

3. Room dimensions. 15 x 18. It's a living room in a townhouse and the "theater" is in one end.

4. Primary uses - TV and Movies,

5. Listening habits.- Normal Viewing. Loud enough to get a rumble.

6. Appearance requirements. None

7. Timeframe. None

I have looked a bit and have a few in mind but would be welcome to more suggestions (Or just a recommendation of the ones I've looked at.
BIC V-80, Dayton Sub-1200, Polk PSW110.

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Another new sub recommendation needed. Current setup is Arcam AVR400 powering the following speakers:
Front = Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand SE
Center = VA Maestro
Rear = VA Bach
Sub = Rel Q201E (failing and needs to be replaced)

Room = 28x14. Ceiling 8' Floors = wood

Listening habits = 85% music (jazz and rock), 15% movies (usually SciFi or Action)

Budget = $1500

Appearance requirements = black finish

Timeframe = Now
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Another new sub recommendation needed. Current setup is Arcam AVR400 powering the following speakers:
Front = Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand SE
Center = VA Maestro
Rear = VA Bach
Sub = Rel Q201E (failing and needs to be replaced)

Room = 28x14. Ceiling 8' Floors = wood

Listening habits = 85% music (jazz and rock), 15% movies (usually SciFi or Action)

Budget = $1500

Appearance requirements = black finish

Timeframe = Now

SVS Ultra 13?

Krell Evolution 900e x 7

Bose Jewel speakers.

 

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SVS Ultra 13?

I will check out the SVS Ultra 13. Do not know much about it.

Current considerations are:
Rel T9
JL e110
Sunfire Solitaire 10
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I will check out the SVS Ultra 13. Do not know much about it.

Current considerations are:
Rel T9
JL e110
Sunfire Solitaire 10

REL T9: 10" 300 watts, 39 lbs...$1200....:confused:

JLe110:  10"....likely a great 10"....but...its a 10".

Sunfire Solitaire: 10" 40 lbs.

 

SVS SB13 Ultra: 13" 3,600 watt 92 lbs

 

Ultra13-sealed_side_800.jpg

The 13 Ultra is 5 times the sub of the others listed.


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Forget the Rel, JL and Sunfire in a room of that size. Granted for music demands are less but that's still a big room

SB Ultra 13 is a minimum
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The 13 Ultra is 5 times the sub of the others listed.

Your room is huge, so you will need the output and FR of Ultra..
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REL T9: 10" 300 watts, 39 lbs...$1200....confused.gif

Yeah Rel are way over priced, I had a Rel back then not much choice of quality subs, but now?

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Another new sub recommendation needed. Current setup is Arcam AVR400 powering the following speakers:
Front = Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand SE
Center = VA Maestro
Rear = VA Bach
Sub = Rel Q201E (failing and needs to be replaced)

Room = 28x14. Ceiling 8' Floors = wood

Listening habits = 85% music (jazz and rock), 15% movies (usually SciFi or Action)

Budget = $1500

Appearance requirements = black finish

Timeframe = Now

Your room is about the size of mine, perhaps a bit smaller. The SVS SB13-Ultra can easily handle my size room, and my room is a rather open concept. However, my Ultra is used for music only (although it handles movies almost equally as well). It's simply a great sub for music. Another you should consider are the Rythmik subs. Jim Wilson (a well-known subwoofer reviewer) owned both the SVS and Rythmik. While he loved them both, he kept the Rythmik. See Jim's review here (post #102): http://www.avsforum.com/t/1471574/rythmik-e15-vs-svs-sb13-ultra/90

Off the top of my head, other good choices would be the Hsu ULS-15 and the PSA XS30. Both PSA and SVS have the best warrantees and free shipping (SVS is free shipping both ways during a 45-day in-home trial).

BTW, I reviewed the XS30 (which I also purchased) and compared it to my SB-13 Ultra. You can find my review here: http://www.avsforum.com/products/xs30/reviews/4360

Music area: Magnepan 3.6, McIntosh MC2205 & C48, SVS SB13-Ultra, Oppo BDP 95 and assorted equipment.
Movie area: EMP Tek R5Bi, PSA XS30, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
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Like the others, it's overwhelming the amount of information available in all the forum topics and posts. I haven't had much luck with feedback on the other topics so maybe here I may find some good info? I'd like to add that I'm posting here since I can always sell my T-9 and buy something else.

Below is a drawing of my room and scale is one square equals 1". What has changed from the drawing, the sofa is moved away from the rear wall about 10" and it's made a huge difference in sound quality. I'm considering some room treatment over the mirror behind the sofa to reduce first order reflection. The numbers in balloons are measurements taken with the T-9 in various locations using the Audyssey microphone and test tone. The reference was 75 dB set in the corner indicated T-9.

This is a studio condo. Everything is completely open with the exception of the bathroom of course. Note the corner fireplace and a wet bar located to the right.

Note: Where the REL T-9 is indicated, a new REL R-528 is residing. It's set up with the high level with both FL & FR speakers as well as an LFE feed. I like the REL for their ability to blend well with the front speakers (Paradigm Signature S-2). They truly are sub base speakers!

My thought is putting the T-9 next to the sofa and another T-9 on the opposite side of the sofa since I already have one T-9 in my arsenal. (3 subs total) If I go with a pair of REL T-9's on either side of the sofa, I can use both high level with the rears (Paradigm Studio 20's) and LFE or just use them for LFE. My reason for using the high level connection is for multichannel music sources like Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Wish You Were Here". Awesome pieces of music in 5.1 sound!

I'm looking for comments and recommendations from those more versed than I in placement, set-up and selection of subwoofers.


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I too am looking for suggestions on a sub and am getting confused by all the options and input...

I've been running a 5.0 system for many years based upon the Paradigm Studio 100s (v3) with the matching surrounds and center channel, but it's finally time to complete my dream by adding the sub (it's my 50th birthday present to myself... odd that I finally have the space and money, but am loosing my hearing... but that's a different discussion).

My primary interest for the sub is music (although I do watch a lot of movies). The studio 100s are actually OK, but I'd like to add a tight, musical foundation to the base.

My budget is up to $2,500. The room is about 22 feet by 26 feet with a cathedral that peaks at 18 feet in the center. One side of the box is completely open to the rest of the house.

If possible, I'd like to match the look of cherry wood and black grill cloth on the main speakers.

Any thoughts?

I had considered the Paradigm sub 25, but that appears to be out of production now. the sub 15 and sub 12 don't seem to have many reviews. I'd love to get a sub 1 (and blow my budget), but my wife thinks it's ugly (i actually think it's rather nice).

I also considered a Vandersteen V2W (blast from the past), but I'm in Boston and the closest dealer is in Maryland, so that would be a blind purchase.

Thanks for the help...
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Jcurry,
REL is the way to go! You will find everyone's taste in a subwoofer will be different. I shopped and read and shopped some more. Finally broke down and bought a REL T-9 trusting the advice from my local AV dealer. At first I wasn't suprised, liked it but no magic. Untill it was run-in after about 20 hours. Was watching a movie and all of the sudden a very low frequency passage occured during a movie and all I can say is I couldn't believe my ears! It happened all of the sudden, the subwoofer blossomed into this magical box that I couldnt find with my ears but sure could hear and feel. Since then I bought a R-528 and the same thing happened. The first 20 or so hours were ok but as soon as it wore-in and the right low frequency tone occured, what nervanna! When it comes to music, with the high level Nutrick connection it blends seemlessly with the main speakers! When you have it adjusted to it's sweet spot, you know it! I cant say enough about it. Try it and see for yourself!!!

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My primary interest for the sub is music (although I do watch a lot of movies). ...

My budget is up to $2,500. The room is about 22 feet by 26 feet with a cathedral that peaks at 18 feet in the center. One side of the box is completely open to the rest of the house.

If possible, I'd like to match the look of cherry wood and black grill cloth on the main speakers.

Any thoughts?
That's a huge space. I can't think of any single sub in a cherry-wood finish for under $2,500 that would work in that space. The Funk Audio 18.0C might do the trick, but I'm not sure if it comes with a grille.

Seaton subs are priced above your cap.

IMO, you might need to:
- increase your budget;
- consider duals; and/or
- consider alternative finishes.

That would open up options such as, say:
- a Seaton SubMersive HP;
- dual Rythmik FV15HPs;
- a JTR Captivator 2400;
- dual SVS SB13-Ultras.
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Following up my last post with diagram, I purchased the REL R-528 and located it behind the LF speaker. The T-9 is residing on the right of the sofa and the sofa is about 12" from the back wall. It sounds AWESOME so far! The next addition will be another T-9 to the left of the sofa to accomplish total emersion of LFE and base when needed. Eventually, maybe even a sub for the center channel as I understand it will greatly improve clarity in dialog.

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Eventually, maybe even a sub for the center channel as I understand it will greatly improve clarity in dialog.

I wouldn't do that.

Also you can buy better subs for the money Rel are quite over priced.

jcurry for a room of that size I'd say for for ported ultra. Ideally two, but try one and see if you need another.

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REL is the way to go! Y"

he'll need several Rel G2's...and even then what 12" 600W for £2500??

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Thanks for all the quick replies.

My first take away is I need to increase my budget. I had wanted to do that anyway, but now I have a more legitimate position based upon your feedback. smile.gif

Second, given the recommendation for the need for multiple subs, I can only conclude you have more tolerant spouses than myself... this might be the harder problem for me to overcome.

Let's say I double the budget to 5K... how does that impact my options against my original criteria (musical, cherry / black finish, etc.)... I'm definitely thinking one larger sub will be easier for my wife to handle that two (or more) smaller units... but I worry about the big subs ability to stay tight... that's why I was asking about the sub 1... (six 8" drivers).

I think I'm in the price range of Seaton now... I think.

Thanks again for all the help.
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... Let's say I double the budget to 5K... how does that impact my options against my original criteria (musical, cherry / black finish, etc.)... I'm definitely thinking one larger sub will be easier for my wife to handle that two (or more) smaller units... but I worry about the big subs ability to stay tight... that's why I was asking about the sub 1... (six 8" drivers).

I think I'm in the price range of Seaton now... I think.
You're in the price range of Seaton so, IMO, get a SubMersive HP+. It's a highly-rated and -respected sub in all respects, it comes in a choice of custom finishes...and it has grilles! biggrin.gif

You can get all the information on pricing (sub, custom finish and shipping) and availability right here.
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I too am looking for suggestions on a sub and am getting confused by all the options and input...

I've been running a 5.0 system for many years based upon the Paradigm Studio 100s (v3) with the matching surrounds and center channel, but it's finally time to complete my dream by adding the sub (it's my 50th birthday present to myself... odd that I finally have the space and money, but am loosing my hearing... but that's a different discussion).

My primary interest for the sub is music (although I do watch a lot of movies). The studio 100s are actually OK, but I'd like to add a tight, musical foundation to the base.

My budget is up to $2,500. The room is about 22 feet by 26 feet with a cathedral that peaks at 18 feet in the center. One side of the box is completely open to the rest of the house.

If possible, I'd like to match the look of cherry wood and black grill cloth on the main speakers.

Any thoughts?

I had considered the Paradigm sub 25, but that appears to be out of production now. the sub 15 and sub 12 don't seem to have many reviews. I'd love to get a sub 1 (and blow my budget), but my wife thinks it's ugly (i actually think it's rather nice).

I also considered a Vandersteen V2W (blast from the past), but I'm in Boston and the closest dealer is in Maryland, so that would be a blind purchase.

Thanks for the help...

That is one huge room.. To fill that room your gonna need at least a Orbit Shifter. Two of those would be best IMO. Then be done.. really! But two of those will take you a G over. But just remember, do it right now or you'll be spending more to upgrade down the road.
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Jcurry,
Do yourself a favor and audition the REL. If you listen to Fatbottom, he blasts REL every chance he gets. I am a huge advocate of quality and REL is QUALITY! By far the most musical of any subwoofer is the REL. All the others will give great BOOM if all your doing is watching movies. If you want good music, well consider the BEST, the REL! Consider how the REL is connected to your main speakers alone, no other sub is designed to be set up seamlessly. Your money, your choice. I hope you enjoy your new sub whatever you decide.
There's my 2 cents! And Mr. Fatbottom, I encourage you to respect all manufacturers and their designers.

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Let's say I double the budget to 5K... how does that impact my options against my original criteria (musical, cherry / black finish, etc.)... I'm definitely thinking one larger sub will be easier for my wife to handle that two (or more) smaller units... but I worry about the big subs ability to stay tight... that's why I was asking about the sub 1... (six 8" drivers).
 

First off, small drivers being "tight" or "musical" or "crisp" or "insert other false audiophool adjective" is a misconception.  When it comes to subs, a good 18" is better than a good 15" is better than a good 12" is better than a good 10".  Smaller is not more "musical"...that is a myth.

 

Since you want good sound quality with music, you should consider dual subs.  With a single sub, you have a very very high probability of having a poor frequency response in room.  This means that some bass frequencies will be much louder than others, and some will be much quieter or nearly missing altogether due to a null.  Good bass = a flat response, low distortion, enough headroom, and enough extension.  To get those four things, you need two good dual subs with the biggest, best quality drivers you can accommodate in your budget and your space.

 

Here are some options I would suggest for under $5k:

 

First, stay away from overprice retail brands, unless you want to spend $5k on what you can get for half price or less from the ID companies.

 

1)  Dual Rythmik F25...this is a large sealed sub with twin 15" drivers.  $3k.   Might be too large since you are concerned about WAF

 

2)  Dual Seaton Submersives, this may have a slightly smaller size than the F25 but they are still pretty large compared to many....comes in at top of your budget.  Available in cherry finish with black grilles..dual opposed is totally inert so can be used as furniture.

 

3)  Dual PSA XS30se $2700 in their premium wood finish, several to choose from(for WAF).  These subs will be quite a bit smaller than the first two.  Comes in cherry finish with black grilles.....dual opposed design is totally inert so can be used as furniture.

 

4)  Dual SVS SB13 Ultra....$3200 or so, smallest by far of this list so might help with WAF, but also the lowest output of the group(although output is still quite good)

 

Honestly there are tons of options to choose from with that kind of budget, but I would look at sealed subs since music is your primary concern.  Not that sealed subs are any better for music, but ported subs add a lot of size to add output below 30 Hz that you just don't need, and certainly won't help in the WAF department.


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Here is a diagram of my open floor plan. I am a total newbie at this but I wanted to give a shot. Any ways with the measurements I took here it comes out to 5931 cubic feet. I am looking for a subwoofer/s that will work for me. I will answer the questions as suggested in the beginning of the post.

 

1 Budget I would like to stay about 5-600 if possible. Maybe more if really needed.

2 Size requirements. Something not too large and could possibly fit near the entertainment center. If I require dual subs I assume they will be smaller

3 Room Dimensions see picture 

4 Primary use is for movies 80% music and gaming the other 20% or less

5 Listening habits   I like it somewhat loud and I have a hearing loss so this annoys my wife. I need a sub/s that can sound good at lower volumes for the wife and then be loud when she isn't here to say otherwise 

6 Appearance Either in black or a dark brown color would match the rest of the area well

7 Time frame Either way this is a long term investment and If I need to wait no worries

 

 

Current equipment

 

Pioneer Vsx 823 Receiver 

on the way Bic dv84 towers and Bic dv62clrs

 

Hope that helps 

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Forget it, I'd get PB Ultra 13 or PC Ultra 13 for a room of that size. No way would you get a sub for your budget, in that room

Krell Evolution 900e x 7

Bose Jewel speakers.

 

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VTF-3 MK4

 

I spoke with HSU research and they said this would be ok if I don't want to go too loud with my setup.

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I contacted TSU audio and Outlaw audio. Here are the reccomended models that are close to my budget. 

TSU 

Vtf 3mk4 or VTF2 MK4

Outlaw LFM1EX

 

For now I can afford 1 later in the future I could add an extra matching sub. Would either of these work in my situation?

Thanks Mark 

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Either of those subs will work. The VTF3 will be the highest performer. In the room you have pictured, optimal placement will have a bigger impact than the sub you select from the ones listed. Hopefully you have some freedom of placement there.
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Thats up to my wife lol Where would you suggest
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Ok I am looking for subs that have Room Equalization as my pre/pro has none !

Here are the choices

1. Paradigm SUB1 http://www.paradigm.com/products-cur.../page=overview

2. Velodyne Digital Drive Plus 15 http://velodyne.com/subwoofers/digit...e-plus-15.html

3. B&W DB1 http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...ofers/DB1.html

4. Revel Rythm 2 http://www.revelspeakers.com/Products/Details/221

or maybe the JL Audio F212 http://www.jlaudio.com/f212-gloss-ho...bwoofers-96150
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