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post #61 of 88 Old 12-13-2008, 12:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Bummer, House. Wish I could've cancelled my order for the very expensive Japanese edition.
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According to an insider at another site, this Japanese transfer (but with a different encode) will be used for the future Lionsgate release.

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I haven't been following the situation closely, but is the actual transfer used for the Japanese release new? Or is it the same recycled transfer with some different processing "enhancements?"

Either way, I'm happy enough with the image quality on the UK release. It may very well be the case that there isn't much more to gain from this film.
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Jeff Kleist of the Digital Bits says that it's a new transfer, although it does indeed look pretty soft still. I guess a Japanese company couldn't go back to the original negatives though (Mr. Kleist didn't give many details), so perhaps they only used an interpositive or later generation film material for the transfer. Hopefully a full restoration will happen in the future, perhaps for the 20th anniversary in 2011.
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Ahh to wait for a full restoration or to get the German Steelbook or Japanese Platinum Edition.

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The StudioCanal releases might have the best quality, but I'd say the Extreme Edition DVD gets the best value award. A reference-quality DVD transfer with a couple extras and the best HD version available if you can ignore the roughly broadcast-quality compression

So it seems the WMV-HD disc is the best one as picture quality and detail. Is it also the less cropped version? If I'm not wrong the D-Theater version released by Artisan share the same master but is 1920x1080i and with higher bitrate. As far as I remember there are some macroblocking in the WMV-HD version, for example in head titles with fire flames.
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This film needs a full restoration like Warner did with Blade Runner. The film simply looks soft. And a movie of this caliber shouldn't be. Maybe when the new Terminator flick hits the screen, we'll see a re-release.

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Added pics from both Japanese discs. I think this "new master" thing is BS. It looks the same down to the framing, colors, individual specs of grain. Just a little blurrier than the StudioCanal encodes.
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Here follow 2 terrible screenshots of WMV-HD edition taken with MPC-HC and saved in PNG format, bitrate is really too low even if resolution is lowered to 1440 vertical lines:





I confirm WMV-HD has some more lines on top and bottom of screen but not at sides. Anyway it's exactly the same master used for D-Theater tape by Artisan which is 1920x1080 even if interlaced, but it has higher bitrate and no artifacts.
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It needs a new master full stop.

There is print damage in the same places on the UK and US BRD's you can check the JP discs to see if it is a new master and the WMV-HD

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Those print artifacts are there on the Japanese release as well. Who still believes the "new master" line?
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Those print artifacts are there on the Japanese release as well. Who still believes the "new master" line?

A "new master" does not necessarily mean a complete restoration.

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It's a new master of the same moldy transfer.
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You mean new encode. The japanese so far look the best. Sod all the other versions. (the TC on the japanese BR also looks inferior to the SE, which is the same as the 2003 Extreme Edition master, but with better encoding and colors). All the old T2 dvds are rendered useless by this japanese version, except for the missing bonuses.
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The japanese so far look the best.

The screenshots on the first page of this thread prove you wrong. At least as far as I can see...
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Come May 19, 2009 we get to start all new comparisons with the release of Terminator 2 Skynet Edition on Blu-ray. Info here.
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So still keep hold of the Optimum is the lesson then
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So there's a promo for Lionsgate's T2 Skynet Edition on the new John Rambo extended edition Blu-ray, and it exclusively uses footage without the DNR actually present on the release, except for the few shots where they're showing the BD-Java overlays of the new disc.

Not so proud of the work they did?

In these shots you can also more clearly see that the French release of the theatrical cut has also been processed to remove scratches and grain, though obviously not as thoroughly as the Skynet edition.


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The japanese Geneon discs are the best, because the bitrates are the highest.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
Also my Oppo BDP-103D is region free.
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The Japanese encodes are vertically stretched.
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I would be interested to see screenshots of the MUSE version someone mentioned earlier in this thread. I have a CLV copy



and it has some of the same print damage shown in a post above:



This frame with the spot looks particularly crappy compared with the rest of the movie in general.
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The Japanese encodes are vertically stretched.

explain please.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
Also my Oppo BDP-103D is region free.
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Uhh, what is there to explain? The screenshots are right there to see.

DE, JP, and US are slightly stretched in the vertical direction (with a few lines cropped) compared to all other versions including the promo. It's obvious if you open them all and tab back and forth. The Skynet edition exhibits a similar stretch but it's been repositioned by like one line (check Xylon's thread if you care to see).

There's a corresponding (slight) decrease in detail on the stretched releases.
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Is it possible to even view the WMV-HD file now on the Extreme Edition DVD? Are the DRM servers that are needed even active now? I'm on W7 and in the UK, although can easily install XP in VMware player.
I picked up the set for about £2.21, so if it's just going to be a nice collectors edition, at that price I can live with it.
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Does anyone know which edition this version of T2 is, and if it's a relatively decent version compared to the latest and greatest one out there?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/terminator-2-judgment-day-special-edition-blu-ray-disc/9327463.p?id=48306&skuId=9327463&st=select-bluray-titles-122540&lp=37&cp=1
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Does anyone know which edition this version of T2 is, and if it's a relatively decent version compared to the latest and greatest one out there?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/terminator-2-judgment-day-special-edition-blu-ray-disc/9327463.p?id=48306&skuId=9327463&st=select-bluray-titles-122540&lp=37&cp=1

All versions of T2 stem from the same old transfer.

They really vary more by their encoding.

The U.S. Skynet version is probably the worst because they added DNR on that particular release. However, it does have lossless audio as well as the theatrical and extended cuts.

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All versions of T2 stem from the same old transfer.

They really vary more by their encoding.

The U.S. Skynet version is probably the worst because they added DNR on that particular release. However, it does have lossless audio as well as the theatrical and extended cuts.

So they have yet to release a definitively "best" one, and this one would be a nice $5 pickup?
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So they have yet to release a definitively "best" one, and this one would be a nice $5 pickup?

Right - hoping it gets remastered in 4K like the first movie.

For $5, sure, but it is definitely a smoothie. smile.gif

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