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Hi,

I know that the Gone with the Wind Blu-Ray will likely have multiple discs and collector's stuff.

But does anyone know if the actual movie will be on one disc?
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Warner is infamous for encoding video at the lowest data rate in the industry (like they are still dual encoding for HD DVD). So it should be no problem for it to be on 1 BD50 with plenty of room left over.
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I hope it is on one. I want quality over anything, but the convenience of having it on one disc would be nice (and perhaps could be an advertised advantage of Blu-Ray).
I'd think the fact that the audio is Mono (though hopefully lossless) would help.
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They routinely fit 2-hour movies in single-layer discs, so a 4-hour movie on one BD50 is par for the course for them.

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Since 500,000+ pixels on each frame will be black, that should help with compression.
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Let se the movie is 238 minutes. A BD50 will have an avarage of 28mbit for audio and video.

Wouldnt be any problem.

Also as one member pointed out its 4:3 and thats 25% savings in image area. That almost equals what Saving Private Ryan would have in "bits per pixel".

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That's good news.
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But does anyone know if the actual movie will be on one disc?

Frankly, I don't give a damn.


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Hi,

I know that the Gone with the Wind Blu-Ray will likely have multiple discs and collector's stuff.

But does anyone know if the actual movie will be on one disc?

It better be! The main reason I supported blu-ray over HD-DVD is because the extra 20 or 16GB would allow even the longest movies to fit on one disk without compromising quality (in either picture or sound).
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It better be! The main reason I supported blu-ray over HD-DVD is because the extra 20 or 16GB would allow even the longest movies to fit on one disk without compromising quality (in either picture or sound).

If the movie is meant to have an intermission, why should it be only on one disk????
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If the movie is meant to have an intermission, why should it be only on one disk????

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That's my media server/streaming argument. If I change my mind about what I want to watch, it is great to just select something else without getting up.

But, if I am watching a 4 hour long movie with an intermission, I would not mind changing discs one time.
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It better be! The main reason I supported blu-ray over HD-DVD is because the extra 20 or 16GB would allow even the longest movies to fit on one disk without compromising quality (in either picture or sound).

Seriously, Dude. The war's over. Troy proved you could fit a long movie onto a 30GB disc without suppressing quality.

Moving on...why would a 4:3 movie w/ a mono soundtrack be an issue to fit on one disc unless you want them to fill the disc with 18 trailers like Disney, Lionsgate or Sony?

Warner will deliver great PQ with lots of grain and a 640Kbps DD track on one disc. I hope they don't pull a Casablanca and price it into the stratosphere.
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The price is actually $20 more than Casablanca MSRP (according to Amazon).
I really hope that the street price comes down by the time it is released (wchih I am guessing will be November).
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Seriously, Dude. The war's over. Troy proved you could fit a long movie onto a 30GB disc without suppressing quality.

Actually, Troy's picture quality was compromised a little due to the lack of space and it's only 196 minutes.
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...Troy's picture quality was compromised a little due to the lack of space...

Here we go again.
First, picture quality is very subjective.
Second, IF the picture quality appeared "compromised", there is no proof it is due to space. It could just be due to less than perfect encoding.
Third, the war is over!

Again, movies with intermissions really have no need to be one one disc. Sure it would be nice just like it would be nice to have the whole LotR trilogy on one disc.

Now if you really want movies on one disc that you can play without talkng a break, call the BDA and tell them to make it legal for us to rip our BDs to a media server.
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No movie on blu-ray should ever be on two discs regardless of whether or not there is an intermission. Also, the intermission may or may not be the time I want to break.
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No movie on blu-ray should ever be on two discs regardless of whether or not there is an intermission. Also, the intermission may or may not be the time I want to break.

You can always go against the director's intent. Gone With the Wind has an excellent stopping point for intermission along with one of my favorite movie lines ever. It is a great time to take a break and reflect on the first part of the film (and get more popcorn). So will you fast forward though the intermission and not enjoy the music too?

byw, I put this along with, "no movie on blu-ray should ever take more than 30 seconds to load". Do either have any impact whatsoever on enjoying the movie? Nope.
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You're missing the point.
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I have a feeling they'll spread it across 2 discs to help justify the high price. Unless, of course, the packaging doesn't allow for more than 2 (since they need a disc for extras).
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Actually, Troy's picture quality was compromised a little due to the lack of space and it's only 196 minutes.

So you are saying that this wonderful new 1080p digital age we are in is still compromising video quality? Looks like there is no need in me buying into BR anytime soon. Guess Im sticking with regular dvds for a while longer.
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Lossy compression is always a compromise. But do you notice it, that's the deal breaker.

But still....Why throw this HD 1080p/720p around when we still arent getting the full res out of our media? This lets me know for a fact that buying into anything major right now is a waste of time cause something else will be right around the corner before you know it.
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But still....Why throw this HD 1080p/720p around when we still arent getting the full res out of our media? This lets me know for a fact that buying into anything major right now is a waste of time cause something else will be right around the corner before you know it.

1080P is good enough. And since its meant for hometheater, good enough is good enough.

Resolution is just in 4th place when it comes to PQ.

If you want to sit back and wait for the next format to arrive, go ahead. But trust me, BD gives me great enjoyment today.

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1080P is good enough. And since its meant for hometheater, good enough is good enough.

Resolution is just in 4th place when it comes to PQ.

If you want to sit back and wait for the next format to arrive, go ahead. But trust me, BD gives me great enjoyment today.

You know there are people who would still say that about VHS or BETa right? Im all in for new tech but really...If you are going to market something like HD you kind of expect it to be..THE BEST of the best you know?
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You know there are people who would still say that about VHS or BETa right? Im all in for new tech but really...If you are going to market something like HD you kind of expect it to be..THE BEST of the best you know?

Its more a question of what screen size and screen distance you have.

If you have a 2 inch display, even VHS would look OK on it. If you have a 32 inch display DVD looks OK. But if you have something like 50-150 inch display. DVD starts to lack.

So if you have a 10 meter wide display, maybe you will need beyond bluray, but I have seen several 1080P movies displayed on larger then 14 meters, and they still looked alright.

4K is more for mastering and preservation, then it is for broadcast.

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You know there are people who would still say that about VHS or BETa right? Im all in for new tech but really...If you are going to market something like HD you kind of expect it to be..THE BEST of the best you know?

I didn't buy too many DVDs because of this rationale, but I think Blu-ray makes for an excellent time to amass a large collection of movies. Despite what some say, I realized from the beginning that DVD as a format made far too many compromises in picture quality to really satisfy my desires. When a studio does right by a movie, and they often do, then Blu-ray is perfectly capable of faithfully capturing the nuances of a film's image.
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