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Muse Hi-Vision movies? How many Private Theaters in the world still have these in the shelf?
Not many i believe...
But the ones that have, they know what i am talking about... Companies will never manufacture such a luxurious and expensive format...
This format is HD and Box Sets are so cool...

Ok i admit that if i have the Blu Ray i will take it to watch, but i prefer the looks of Muse Box Sets, and sometimes i watch the Muse Version no doubt

Any more opinions?
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I wouldn't mind having an HLD-X9 and a copy of T2.
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What's on my shelf... but there are some misc 16x9 LD on that shelf as well. stargate, cutthroat lsland, free wily.


I do have a few boxes in another state. With about 10 more movie titles, a few scenery demo disc, a few broadband disc, misc W-VHS recordings of NHK's HD broadcast from the mid to late 1990's. a few misc HDVS open reel video tapes from the late 1980s? early 1990's.
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Could someone post pics of the jackets, discs, player, interconnects, and playing back on a display?
I've never seen a player, let alone used a LD system. (Though I have contemplated picking up a LD player on ebay, collecting another dead format-DVHS being the most recent last year)
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Here's a photo of an HLD X0, and HLD X9, the Best Players on Earth to play Muse Hi-Vision...
However the X0 is better...

As for the software i have around 30 Titles of movies and some of scenery and Test Disc.
Those Gold Editions are lovely tkmedia, i also have them.
And i think the best and most rare Muse Titles are:

-E.T (Very Rare)
-Back to the Future
-Back to the Future II (Very Rare)
-Back to the Future III (Very Rare)
-Close Encounters of Third Kind
-Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Rare)
-Stargate (Very Rare)
-Jumanji (Very Rare)
-Backdraft (Rare)
-Breakfast at Tyffany's
-A River Runs Trough It (Very Rare)
-Legends of the Fall (Rare)
-Lawrance of Arabia (Rare)
-Universal Soldier (Rare)
-Jurassic Park (Very Rare)
-Basic Instict (Rare)
-Top Gun (Very Rare)
-Wolf (Very Rare)
-Out of Africa (Very Rare)


For me these are the tiltes to have...some are still missing in my collection...
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Thanks for the photos-great stuff. Those players are tanks.
Stupid question though, how do you get a HD video signal to the display?
I didnt see component video interconnects on the back.
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If my memory serves you need some sort of video "pre-amp" called a "Muse Decoder" that converts the two "muse" RCA jacks into component video RCA outs.
Obviously then you connect the component video to your mega expensive giant 1998 CRT HDTV.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
Also my Oppo BDP-103D is region free.
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It's not like that...don't scare people Ok it's an expensive system, but it's very High End to have this in a personal home theater.

Ok first of all you connect the "Muse" connection (one RCA Cable) from the Muse Laserdisc Player to the Decoder. And then you connect the Decoder by Component to your TV directly.

As for the TV you don't need a CRT, a Pioneer Plasma New Generation will satisfy you 100%, they are PERFECT.

Pioneer Plasmas are the best TV in the world in SD and HD.

When you start on Muse you'll get addicted... it's fantastic.
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It's not like that...don't scare people Ok it's an expensive system, but it's very High End to have this in a personal home theater.

Ok first of all you connect the "Muse" connection (one RCA Cable) from the Muse Laserdisc Player to the Decoder. And then you connect the Decoder by Component to your TV directly.

As for the TV you don't need a CRT, a Pioneer Plasma New Generation will satisfy you 100%, they are PERFECT.

Pioneer Plasmas are the best TV in the world in SD and HD.

When you start on Muse you'll get addicted... it's fantastic.

Except that Pioneer isn't making them anymore so...
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So you are willing to pay a "Collector's Price" or you don't... that's the reality in fact.
This was never a Format for the "General Public" it was very High End and still is.

You can say, ..."i can pay $20 USD for a Blu Ray and i have a better picture"...

But it's not about that... never was...
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Never did get an HD player. I'd still be up for it, I just can't spend the bucks required.

Maybe some day. Who knows.

I still use my LD collection alot.
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I have had Beta, VHS, Laserdiscs, DVD, mini-DV, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, and I thought I was pretty informed. How come I have never heard of this format?
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I have had Beta, VHS, Laserdiscs, DVD, mini-DV, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, and I thought I was pretty informed. How come I have never heard of this format?

Perhaps because it was never marketed here. A few people imported them, but the cost of equipment combined with the availability of titles never created much interest here.

I knew about them but I understood that there was a whole eco-system involved: monitors/projectors, players, titles, studio support. One would have had to have purchased a very expensive projector to take advantage of such a system.

I remember giving presentations on HDTV in 1997 or so and not even mentioning Muse because it seemed irrelevant.
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Is there a comprehensive list of muse titles?
If you guys remember the guy who posted his Alien D-Theater tape unwrapping/playback, this kind of youtube video would be really cool about a muse system.
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Is there a comprehensive list of muse titles?
If you guys remember the guy who posted his Alien D-Theater tape unwrapping/playback, this kind of youtube video would be really cool about a muse system.

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http://www.lddb.com/list.php?format=laserdisc&list=muse
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I'm kind of curious as to how these would look in my setup. I've already got a MUSE-compatible player, so I'd just need the decoder and a disc. Seems even the crap titles and titles that have been released on Blu-ray are rare and/or expensive, though.

But given that they're ancient analog telecine transfers, I have the feeling I wouldn't be too impressed with them. I'm guessing they also have hard-coded Japanese subtitles.
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Hi
You are correct, they have japanese subtitles but when you start watching them you forget about it.
Titles like E.T; Back to the Future I,II and III; are still very interesting because until date there is no better way to watch them.

Even when they are released some day...Muse will still be an interesting format to watch once in a while, and the main reason is that they don't look digital, is more film-like quality and i like that.

And i also don't use an ultra expensive video projector, i use a Pioneer Plasma KRP-600A Plasma TV that has a the most amazing picture, even in Laserdisc.
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I would LOVE to see some screen shots as well, if it´s possible to run the signal through a computer and take a few
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No problem, this weekend i will take some screenshots on Muse and Standard LD, and will post them here.
I just don't know how to put the pictures here together with the text, in the same way tkmedia2 putted. If someone can help me...
I've put some but as you can see they are like links...
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You are correct, they have japanese subtitles but when you start watching them you forget about it.
Titles like E.T; Back to the Future I,II and III; are still very interesting because until date there is no better way to watch them.

Even when they are released some day...Muse will still be an interesting format to watch once in a while, and the main reason is that they don't look digital, is more film-like quality and i like that.

And i also don't use an ultra expensive video projector, i use a Pioneer Plasma KRP-600A Plasma TV that has a the most amazing picture, even in Laserdisc.

I agree that analog video has its charms, and I love it doesn't break into macroblocks during detailed high-motion content like DVD and other low-bitrate digital HD. But from what I remember, MUSE transfers were basically an analog Hi-Vision camera pointed at a movie screen (it's probably a bit more complicated than that, but that's the description I remember hearing). I'm sure it looks far better than DVD, but I don't think it would look very detailed on my 1080p projector.

Looking at the Japanese Wikipedia page, it looks like the chrominance was still pretty compressed compared to the luminance, just like VHS.
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But given that they're ancient analog telecine transfers, I have the feeling I wouldn't be too impressed with them. I'm guessing they also have hard-coded Japanese subtitles.

Video mastering technology has improved enormously from about the mid 90s. I tend to agree with you.

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Having a good Muse System and Movies is like having an Aston Martin DB5 in your garage...

The perfect system is Pioneer HLD X0 + Sony MSC-4000. There is nothing that can beat the X0. Some people say that the X9 is the best player in the market.
The reason they say that is to sell them to get an X0, and this is a fact.
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It's not like that...don't scare people Ok it's an expensive system, but it's very High End to have this in a personal home theater.

Ok first of all you connect the "Muse" connection (one RCA Cable) from the Muse Laserdisc Player to the Decoder. And then you connect the Decoder by Component to your TV directly.

As for the TV you don't need a CRT, a Pioneer Plasma New Generation will satisfy you 100%, they are PERFECT.

Pioneer Plasmas are the best TV in the world in SD and HD.

When you start on Muse you'll get addicted... it's fantastic.


I know you don't need a CRT to watch muse, I was trying to evoke an image of a super expensive late 90's set-up.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
Also my Oppo BDP-103D is region free.
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Ok, i think this discussion about Muse being better or not than DVD is something that can be discussed.
However i don't think Muse Collector's will care about that...

One thing is the person that looks for the best picture and doesn't care even if the movie is recorded with extreme quality and in a USB, others prefer to have Original Editions with all the contents and stuff.

It's all about taste...
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SD-DVD has matured. Most modern releases have really good PQ. But I am starting to notice a trend downward where PQ and Transfer quality is concerned now that Bluray is here.

I buy most new releases on release day and screen them in the Theater on Friday. Those new releases do seem to be trending downward in PQ / Transfer quality and the overall Bluray release PQ and transfer quality is trending upwards.
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Stupid question though, how do you get a HD video signal to the display?
I didnt see component video interconnects on the back.

I have a muse decoder that has for video component, GBRHV and 3W3. for audio had multichannel analog and a digital output that require two 2-channel amps.
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Collecting Muse is a strange hobby Some discs still look quite good and have been spectacular for its time. Others look
absolutely terrible, way worse than the average modern day DVD release. I guess a lot depended on the mastering process
which has advanced a lot since the days of LD and Muse.
Still i am addicted to Muse, when i watch a Hi-Vision discs its like watching an old print of a movie in an old theater,
i love it. The format has its own kind of charm. Getting it "just" because of PQ is useless IMHO, Blu ray and DVD beat it most of
the time.
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No problem, this weekend i will take some screenshots on Muse and Standard LD, and will post them here.
I just don't know how to put the pictures here together with the text, in the same way tkmedia2 putted. If someone can help me...
I've put some but as you can see they are like links...

Still waiting for those MUSE screenshots, RMSMT. :-)
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