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I know we can get frustrated with the behavior of movie studios and their seemingly irrational fears but I do have an honest question about movie copyrights and business models.

If a movie studio can make even MORE money by taking their existing content and creating demo discs, then why not ? How many entities need to give permission ? Is it just a logistic nightmare to get everyone that needs to be onboard to get onboard ?

Let's say the demand is not high enough for the studios, I'm sure some smaller niche operation would cater to this small market not deemed worthy by the major studios and create demo discs for sale once they have access to their vaults. How about demo discs on demand that is fully automated online for an even higher premium ?

I really would like to understand more about the logistics behind getting a studio to allow someone to sell a niche product like this. There are around 8000 searches every month on Google for "blu ray demo disc". The demand is there !
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What kind of demo disc are you talking about?

A demo for a video game is one thing... letting you play some of the game to get a taste and hopefully make you want to buy it.

But who is going to spend much money on buying part of a movie only to have to pay more to buy the whole thing?

If a movie can be bought for $15 for the whole thing... how low would a demo have to be?

Not sure I'm seeing the point here.

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When you Google BD Demo Disc - the searches primarily deal with the question; "what is a good movie to demo BD?"

This is one of the few BD Demo Discs produced:

DTS Blu-Ray Demo Disc 2006

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/DTS-Bl...Blu-ray/36726/
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People are already buying demo discs to show off their systems from music clips to LFE clips to surround sound demos and just plain eye candy.

This is a small niche compares to the mainstream but niche groups pay premiums to get their specialized narrowly focused needs met.

Go to eBay and search " Bly ray demo disc" and you'll see some selling for $60 while most are on the $20-35 range.

This appeals to the vanity of this group. Why pay $$ for 20 inch rims when the stock ones work just fine ? Same concept.
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Sorry I didn't answer the first question. Demo discs will usually have movie clips that show off a particular feature like booming low frequency effects, dynamic surround sound tracks, or just visually stunning scenes. Some will mix that with live concert footage in high definition.

Retail outlets get these demo discs from manufacturers so they can showcase the new TV or BluRay player.
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People are already buying demo discs to show off their systems from music clips to LFE clips to surround sound demos and just plain eye candy.

This is a small niche compares to the mainstream but niche groups pay premiums to get their specialized narrowly focused needs met.

Go to eBay and search " Bly ray demo disc" and you'll see some selling for $60 while most are on the $20-35 range.

This appeals to the vanity of this group. Why pay $$ for 20 inch rims when the stock ones work just fine ? Same concept.

IMO - not enough of a market to make it a profitable venture. Hollywood studios are in the business to make money and niche products don't.
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Thankfully, there are volunteers that have assembled great demo discs to fill the niche:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1391873

And there is also demo world:

http://www.demo-world.eu/
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It's a control thing, and for good reason IMO. Take Disney for example. They are extremely careful about their public image. Suppose somebody takes clips from one of their movies and put it on a demo disk along with porn material? Not a good image at all.

The content is the studios property unless sold to some other entity. They have every right to protect it.

And "sold" means the copyright is sold. That's not the same thing as buying a DVD. You don't buy the copyright when you buy a DVD.

As for the various forum groups that distribute these home made demo disks, it's just not enough of an issue for the studios to get involved. Just stay below the radar and you will be fine.

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I would use the THX Amazing Life trailer at the beginning of the Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull movie on Blu-ray. Just be aware that you need to play at reduced volume to see if your sub is up for the task before going full tilt.

The whole motorcycle sequence in Tron Legacy is demo worthy of both picture and sound!!
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Ah the old days selling home theater at Ultimate Electronics using those early DTS demo discs. Those were the days.
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So, if i"m understanding the OP correctly. What you are saying is , there are demo discs used to show off TVs, movies, etc, etc. Why are these not sold to the general public?

(And to be clear, you are not asking "why can't we make demo discs and sell them") right?

I think the reason they don't sell demo discs is because of legal issues... For example, let's say there's a demo containing an avatar 3D clip (which there is), and they decide to sell it to the general public. Now let's say that one of the actors on the movie complains that there is revenue being made off a product not discussed in the contract.. <-- not saying this is what will happen, but I'm sure there's a lot of legal issues like this.

Of course, there is the "fair use" law. But is it fair use if the item sells primarily because of a 2 minute demo? I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. i know that they'd rather either give them away with TVs, etc, or just tell the stores not to give them away... eventually they fall in the hands of employees, and other people.. but in the end, to sell them would probably require going through more red tape than it's worth......

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Thankfully, there are volunteers that have assembled great demo discs to fill the niche:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1391873

And there is also demo world:

http://www.demo-world.eu/

Demo world is mostly useless. I guess if you want to read about demo discs it's great. But you can't buy any demo discs from there so what's the point?
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