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nathanddrews's Avatar nathanddrews
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Now that Sony has officially unveiled their 4K media players, 4K delivery system, and more and more 4K TVs are coming to market every day, it's probably time to get a 4K forum going? Everything seems to be scattered across multiple sub forums, making it difficult to discuss. Just a suggestion.
Art Sonneborn's Avatar Art Sonneborn
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Shouldn't it be the 2160p forum ? wink.gif Seriously though, I agree.

Art
Scott Simonian's Avatar Scott Simonian
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Yeah. I think it is about time for an actual UHD/4k subforum.
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Shouldn't it be the 2160p forum ? wink.gif Seriously though, I agree.

Art

LOL yeah I used to cringe at the dumbing down of the 4K definition, but I've come around and just want it already!
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Now that Sony has officially unveiled their 4K media players

What 4K media players? All I can find is a download service which in my book does not count as a 'player' anymore then my WD Live is a player.
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What 4K media players?
Here, let me Google that for you...

It's literally the first result.
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All I can find is a download service which in my book does not count as a 'player' anymore then my WD Live is a player.
It's a media server. Whether or not you think that it qualifies to be called a "player" is immaterial.
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Here, let me Google that for you...

It's literally the first result.
It's a media server. Whether or not you think that it qualifies to be called a "player" is immaterial.

You are just proving me right, it's not a 4K media player. What you think qualifies is irrelevant.
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Yes, UHD forum. While I'm not holding my breath, the UHD 4K standard goes to 120 Hz, but thatwould take 2 new HDMI 2 cables for bandwidth right?

I expect (hope) we will see a new disk standard. I suppose they could do Blu-Ray at 8x speed and 4 layers, but I nostalgic for laserdisks these days and would LOVE to see 12" blu ray (I'm not holding my breath).

About time for a forum someplace on AVS.
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You are just proving me right, it's not a 4K media player. What you think qualifies is irrelevant.
I don't know why I even bother. rolleyes.gif

If you'd bothered to follow the link, you would have seen that Sony themselves call the server a "4K Ultra HD Media Player."

But by all means, continue to wallow in your own ignorance.
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You are just proving me right, it's not a 4K media player. What you think qualifies is irrelevant.

Wut? Is this a joke or just willful ignorance?
Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland
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IIRC the CEA has dubbed 3840 x 2160 video as Ultra high-definition TV or UHDTV as the offical name. So IMO, we should stick to the term UHDTV because it really is not 4K.
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Given that the ITU is comfortable with calling 2160p 4K, who am I to argue? Besides, calling it simply "UHDTV" when so-called 8K is also UHDTV is just confusing. Going with QFHD and OFHD would be just as dumb - from a consumer standpoint - as HD and FHD. Likewise, getting consumers to understand 720p and 1080p was difficult enough, but 2160p and 3420p would only confuse them more, especially once you thrown in numbers for frame rates and dimensions.

I don't like it, but I understand it and accept it.
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Given that the ITU is comfortable with calling 2160p 4K, who am I to argue?

I am not arguing, the ITU uses the term UHDTV as well. SMPTE also calls 3840 x 2160 Ultra High Definition Television (UHDTV)

For me, the Sony F65 camera can do 4096 x 2160 so I would call it is a true 4K device and not a UHDTV camera or device.
LexInVA's Avatar LexInVA
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4K Blu-Ray (100 GB) has been outed but not officially announced! Most likely, we'll see a CES 2014 launch along with all the 4K TVs and such.
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I am not arguing, the ITU uses the term UHDTV as well. SMPTE also calls 3840 x 2160 Ultra High Definition Television (UHDTV)

For me, the Sony F65 camera can do 4096 x 2160 so I would call it is a true 4K device and not a UHDTV camera or device.

That's true, but given that even 4K DCI can be less than that resolution with different ARs, where is that line drawn? At some point, you have to accept 4K as a range and not literal. cool.gif
Joe Bloggs's Avatar Joe Bloggs
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I am not arguing, the ITU uses the term UHDTV as well. SMPTE also calls 3840 x 2160 Ultra High Definition Television (UHDTV)
Though only saying "UHDTV" doesn't distinguish between 3840x2160 and 7680x4320 - both are UHDTV.
We should call 3840x2160 UHDTV-1 or UHDTV1 so it's more specific what resolution is meant.
Richard Paul's Avatar Richard Paul
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I think it has gotten to the point where it would be nice to have a 4K UHDTV forum.
Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland
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Almost everyone refers to H.262, H.264, H.265, etc. as video compression, it is not, it is data reduction. Compression can be uncompressed, data reduction can not be restored to the original data. Oh well, I strongly suspect 3840 is going to be referred to as 4K.
Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland
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At some point, you have to accept 4K as a range and not literal. cool.gif

Captian Barbossa would say, "4K is just a guide" smile.gif
nathanddrews's Avatar nathanddrews
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LOL true!
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I also think it's time to archive the HD DVD sections.
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