If 4K disc comes out and have Rec 2020 colour space support how many movies will be able to take advantage of it? Is the colour space of 35mm on par with Rec 2020 ? Or will rec 2020 have to rely on only new films?
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Originally Posted by bralas /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24262922
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/dcp/news/now-you-see-them-now-you-dont-colorimetry-and-electronic-cinema/44388
….Kuttner agreed that achieving a "film look" will be the toughest challenge for any electronic cinema system.
"Film has a greater color depth than video and tracks color logarithmically like the human eye. Any electronic projection system will need to support 36-bit color with 12 bits per color plane. 150:1 contrast will probably be the minimum acceptable grayscale, although daylight film stocks can achieve 1,000:1 contrast."
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Why I commented 35mm film has potentially near infinite color palette.
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Originally Posted by bralas /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24263081
Please, expand on exactly what you are saying.
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Originally Posted by bralas /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24263081
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Histronics, coupled w/large images mean what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by coolscan /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24267549
Do I need to say more....
No, what the OP enquired about was a broader question, about the colour space. Rec 2020 defines a colour space. I think the OP was asking whether modern 35mm film can capture [the negative] the whole of the defined Rec 2020 colour space. And the OP may in addition have been interested in whether a print from a negative would be capable of covering the whole of the Rec 2020 colour space.
The OP was inquiring about the dynamics of 35mm film.
35mm film has a fairly good sized color space as seen in this Sony comparison chart and would benefit from the Rec. 2020 color space.Quote:
Originally Posted by kristoffer77 /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24225081
If 4K disc comes out and have Rec 2020 colour space support how many movies will be able to take advantage of it? Is the colour space of 35mm on par with Rec 2020 ?
Almost all digital movies used the DCI P3 color space which is smaller than 35mm film. Hollywood is slowly moving towards the ACES color space, which covers the entire range of visible light, but at the moment it is rare for a movie to use it. Ironically this means that for a period of 10+ years the color space of movies decreased because of the switch from 35mm film to digital projection.Quote:
Originally Posted by kristoffer77 /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24225081
Or will rec 2020 have to rely on only new films?
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24280399
... Ironically this means that for a period of 10+ years the color space of movies decreased because of the switch from 35mm film to digital projection.
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Originally Posted by bralas /t/1512456/are-35mm-films-capable-of-the-rec-2020-colour-space#post_24280767
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"...Please note that the article was written around year 2000"
"...completely outdated and the information of film vs. digital is in no way applicable anymore"
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Actually negative has been scanned at 4k to 10 bit log since about 1994. Its exactly the same spec used today. A Cineon Lightning scanner from the mid 90s creates scans that are exacty the same quality as a more recent Northlight.Quote: Originally Posted by bralas
If you don't understand by yourselves that an article from 2000 that discuss the equipment (scanners and projectors) they had back then, which where unable to extract the full colorspace (and other qualities) of 35mm film, and was unable to digitally project the full and equal quality of 35mm film, then I don't know how someone could explain that to you.
Like i said film scanning has changed little in 20 years , its gotten faster per frame but the standard is the same. 35mm film stock has improved a bit in terms of grain structure over the last few years but the actual dynamic range has pretty much stayed the same for negative . Makes no difference to the scanner , they were transparent to all intents and purposes back in the mid 90s to the same extent they are today.Nobody here are interested in the limitations of equipment made more than fifteen years ago. Even the 35mm film-stock has improved vastly since then.
Nope its primarily for the resolution increase , colour and dynamic range are the same as the best scanners from the 90s . They were even 4k but the processing overhead was pretty much impossible to handle for 4k. However Snow White was restored by Cinesite in the 90s at 4k.There are also reasons for why archival movies which has been scanned and distributed digital many years ago are now being rescanned on newer and better equipment, and that is not for the increased resolution alone.